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  • #61
    Originally posted by lantern View Post
    [SIZE=2]Statistic analysis of airplane accidents[/SIZE]



    http://www.1001crash.com/index-page-...numpage-3.html
    That is airplane accidents in general lantern. if you read my post above it specifically states [COLOR=#0000ff]Lion Airs accidents[/COLOR]

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    • #62
      Originally posted by pip View Post
      That is airplane accidents in general lantern. if you read my post above it specifically states [COLOR=#0000ff]Lion Airs accidents[/COLOR]
      I read your claim but could find no link to any statistics to support it... unless I missed it somewhere?
      "[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Helvetica Neue]I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.[/FONT][/COLOR]"
      George Bernard Shaw

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      • #63
        Originally posted by lantern View Post
        I read your claim but could find no link to any statistics to support it... unless I missed it somewhere?
        I can't find specific statistics either lantern as I said it was [COLOR=#0000ff]"Of the top of my head without researching, I think most if not all."

        [/COLOR]You could if you wish research each individual Lion Air crash in the press and perhaps come to the same conclusion[COLOR=#0000ff]?
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        • #64
          Better yet, you can search thru the lists in this link

          List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


          starting on 2000, year of Lion's operations began.
          "Science is the philosophy of discovery. Intelligent design is a philosophy of ignorance"

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          • #65
            Originally posted by redsnapr View Post
            Better yet, you can search thru the lists in this link

            List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


            starting on 2000, year of Lion's operations began.
            And what will that tell us, am I correct or not in that most if not all were on landing?

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            • #66
              Originally posted by redsnapr View Post
              Better yet, you can search thru the lists in this link

              List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


              starting on 2000, year of Lion's operations began.
              Apart from the recent one there seems to have been two accidents since 2000?
              1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Air_Flight_386 - all survived
              2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Air_Flight_538
              "[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Helvetica Neue]I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.[/FONT][/COLOR]"
              George Bernard Shaw

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              • #67
                Originally posted by lantern View Post
                Apart from the recent one there seems to have been two accidents since 2000?
                1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Air_Flight_386 - all survived
                2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Air_Flight_538
                Try reading this lantern

                http://aviation-safety.net/database/...e.php?var=5758

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                • #68
                  It seems mr. Pip doesn't like to find proven facts and figures but based his findings and speculations on a forum thread by some people who complained about a hard landing. Anyway, here we go on Lion incidents:
                  1998: plane is shot down
                  2002: accident in take-off
                  20009: landing in Solo

                  Garuda, which some here applaud since it does have permission to fly to the EU, has had 10 major incidents since 1967 btw. And this was an interesting one in 2007:
                  March 7 – Garuda Indonesia Flight 200, a Boeing 737-400, overshoots the runway and crashes while landing at Yogyakarta, Indonesia, killing 22 of the 140 people on board.

                  That was all Wiki info.

                  And according to that database provided by Pip, Garuda had 45 incidents as of 1950. And Lion had 7 since 2002.

                  i really don't understand where this Lion bashing is coming from. It seems some have a vested interest in mudslinging this airline. And it's always hear-say, nobody has direct experience with any of these allegations on maintenance, pilots on dope, etc.
                  Last edited by jstar; 15-04-13, 01:41. Reason: Added Pip's database info
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                  • #69
                    Looks like not all incidents are listed.
                    "Science is the philosophy of discovery. Intelligent design is a philosophy of ignorance"

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by jstar View Post
                      It seems mr. Pip doesn't like to find proven facts and figures but based his findings and speculations on a forum thread by some people who complained about a hard landing. Anyway, here we go on Lion incidents:
                      1998: plane is shot down
                      2002: accident in take-off
                      2094: landing in Solo

                      Garuda, which some here applaud since it does have permission to fly to the EU, has had 10 major incidents since 1967 btw. And this was the last in 2007:
                      March 7 – Garuda Indonesia Flight 200, a Boeing 737-400, overshoots the runway and crashes while landing at Yogyakarta, Indonesia, killing 22 of the 140 people on board.

                      i really don't understand where this Lion bashing is coming from. It seems some have a vested interest in mudslinging this airline. And it's always hear-say, nobody has direct experience with any of these allegations on maintenance, pilots on dope, etc.
                      Did you read the below before you posted?


                      http://aviation-safety.net/database/...e.php?var=5758

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                      • #71
                        No, that's why I made the edit...
                        Did you read that?
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                        • #72
                          [QUOTE=jstar;327176]No, that's why I made the edit...
                          Did you read that?[/QUOTE

                          Thank you for editing your errors much appreciated

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by jstar View Post
                            It seems mr. Pip doesn't like to find proven facts and figures but based his findings and speculations on a forum thread by some people who complained about a hard landing. Anyway, here we go on Lion incidents:
                            1998: plane is shot down
                            2002: accident in take-off
                            20009: landing in Solo

                            Garuda, which some here applaud since it does have permission to fly to the EU, has had 10 major incidents since 1967 btw. And this was an interesting one in 2007:
                            March 7 – Garuda Indonesia Flight 200, a Boeing 737-400, overshoots the runway and crashes while landing at Yogyakarta, Indonesia, killing 22 of the 140 people on board.

                            That was all Wiki info.

                            And according to that database provided by Pip, Garuda had 45 incidents as of 1950. And Lion had 7 since 2002.

                            i really don't understand where this Lion bashing is coming from. It seems some have a vested interest in mudslinging this airline. And it's always hear-say, nobody has direct experience with any of these allegations on maintenance, pilots on dope, etc.

                            Hardly an acceptable source for "facts and figures"... try quoting wiki as a reference in a university paper and see how far your marks go.
                            Cicak Magnet

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by jstar View Post
                              It seems mr. Pip doesn't like to find proven facts and figures but based his findings and speculations on a forum thread by some people who complained about a hard landing. Anyway, here we go on Lion incidents:
                              1998: plane is shot down
                              2002: accident in take-off
                              20009: landing in Solo

                              Garuda, which some here applaud since it does have permission to fly to the EU, has had 10 major incidents since 1967 btw. And this was an interesting one in 2007:
                              March 7 – Garuda Indonesia Flight 200, a Boeing 737-400, overshoots the runway and crashes while landing at Yogyakarta, Indonesia, killing 22 of the 140 people on board.

                              That was all Wiki info.

                              And according to that database provided by Pip, Garuda had 45 incidents as of 1950. And Lion had 7 since 2002.

                              i really don't understand where this Lion bashing is coming from. It seems some have a vested interest in mudslinging this airline. And it's always hear-say, nobody has direct experience with any of these allegations on maintenance, pilots on dope, etc.
                              You seem to imply that I have a vested interest. I don't. Just google "lion air pilots drugs" you'll get 20 pages of hits... here's just one recent article. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...-drug-use.html

                              If you want to fly them, do so. Airline safety is also measured in amount of miles flown, pax carried, take offs and landings vs. incidents. Garuda is greatly improved. Lion Air is pretty bad. But again, fly them if you want. I was going to say please fly them, but that could be misconstrued.... so actually, I hope that you don't fly them, but its your choice. My choice is not to. Also, please do not accuse me of hearsay. I have provided several links. You chose to ignore them, that's again your choice, but hearsay? No.
                              MattyRedSox
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                              Last edited by MattyRedSox; 15-04-13, 07:47. Reason: spelling and hearsay
                              QUOTE: "Anybody who throws a few pieces of chicken or whatever meat they have onto a gas grill deserves what they get..."

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                              • #75
                                A plane less than 2 month old destroyed.

                                If it was an old plane like some of the airlines are using then the reasons and speculations could become huge. But a plane so new?

                                I will still use lion air, remember a good landing is one you can walk away from, OK in this case swim away, but there were no fatalities. Thats the important thing.
                                [COLOR=#ff0000]Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds[/COLOR]. Albert Einstein

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