Lion Air Crash in Bali

[Malas Certified Troll Find all posts View Profile Close Malas]

Didn't Lion Air just place the largest aircraft order in history?

Lion Air set a record when it placed an order for 230 aircraft from Boeing, making this the largest order in terms of aircraft ordered as well the cost of the order. In November 2011, Lion Air and Boeing announced that the airline planned to buy 29 737-900ER and 201 737 MAX aircraft, with options for 150 more, valued at $21.7 billion at the time A firm order was signed on 14 February 2012, with the 737 MAX aircraft identified as 737 MAX 9s, making Lion Air the launch customer for that variant. By the time of the signing, the order's value had risen to $22.4 billion at list prices, the largest aircraft order in history

[wombat Member Find all posts View Profile Close wombat]

just came off Lion at changi when I read this. Gosh
It doesnt look like an overrun and a report suggest missed runway altogether

[fastpitch17 Member Find all posts View Profile Close fastpitch17]

I believe there'll be some global headlines at some time to come. Keyword: raid.

Anyway, off topic: since when do we have 300+ guests visiting the site at the same time? Is it glitch, hacking or this site becomes suddenly so popular?

There isn't much on it globally but the thread comes up in search engines. Many viewers may not be members but it does go to show the marketability of the site.

[fastpitch17 Member Find all posts View Profile Close fastpitch17]

just came off Lion at changi when I read this. Gosh
It doesnt look like an overrun and a report suggest missed runway altogether

What report?

[wombat Member Find all posts View Profile Close wombat]

http://news.detik.com/read/2013/04/1...hat?n991102605

What report?

[fastpitch17 Member Find all posts View Profile Close fastpitch17]

http://news.detik.com/read/2013/04/1...hat?n991102605

Thanks. Still seem to be conflicting reports of just how it ended up in the water.

[wombat Member Find all posts View Profile Close wombat]

This time of the year the wind down at Nusa Dua peninsula is easterly. 13km/h is the average. So the plane must be approaching runway 9 from the west. If it missed the runway, it would be in the surf west of the runway. If it overran the runway, it must be on the mangrove coast. So I reckon the report was right, it fell shorf of runway 9

[bad_azz Member Find all posts View Profile Close bad_azz]

I believe there'll be some global headlines at some time to come. Keyword: raid.

Anyway, off topic: since when do we have 300+ guests visiting the site at the same time? Is it glitch, hacking or this site becomes suddenly so popular?

Its nothing new, there are regularly 250+ guests online + 20-40 + forum members...

[Mister Bule Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Bule]

Yes and no Puspa. There seems to be this "value of human life" thing that varies in different parts of the world - however it is bad f----ing news when the pilots don't value their own lives enough. Most pilots I know are a bit crazy, but they take flying and responsibility really really really seriously. I know pilots from several Asian countries, Europe, the Middle East, NA, Europe, and Africa. I may have met a couple of Australians/kiwis too, but don't recall. The one thing with most of them, there is a personality type, you could have them trade carriers, they might have different cultures at home, but when it comes to the job, they are almost interchangeable about not screwing around with safety and their reputations as pilots.

I really hope this is true: "when it comes to the job..." etc. Watched the film "Flight" recently and I know it is a fictional story, but if there are even a few like the Denzel Washington character out there, we should all be concerned. My guess though that most crashes have more to with mechanical failures and / or possible negligence or carelessness in maintenance than with pilot errors resulting from illicit activities and "personality disorders" or character flaws... but I could be wrong.

I will however continue to fly on local discount carriers in Indonesia as Garuda or other major airline prices are well beyond my means... on our holiday in December last year we used Lion as well as Batavia, CitiLink and Air Asia. But at least Air Asia's safety record is pretty good, is it not...?

[lantern Member Find all posts View Profile Close lantern]

just came off Lion at changi when I read this. Gosh
It doesnt look like an overrun and a report suggest missed runway altogether

I've heard that there was a storm in progress at the time and that the cause was wind sheer and not runway overrun....unconfirmed of course.

[Niko Z. Member Find all posts View Profile Close Niko Z.]

jeeeezus. So unacceptable. More meth for the pilots? Lion Air has a hideous safety record and if you are flying them, but have another choice, penny wise and euro foolish. They are banned from flying in the EU and many other places. Garuda has at least been making efforts to be better. These things are NOT buses and do pay attention to safety records please.

I was living in Yogyakarta about six years ago when a similar type accident involving Garuda left 22 passengers dead. If you check safety record of any major Indonesian carrier they've all had major issues in last 5-10 years.

I am not sure if there is a safe option, to be honest. Anyone checked AirAsia's safety record?

[MattyRedSox Member Find all posts View Profile Close MattyRedSox]

Without going into great detail, this is a good rule of thumb list, updated frequently... if your airline is on this list, get a ticket for another one. Garuda actually has a relatively good safety record now for the amount of air miles flown, take offs and landings, volume of passengers, and so on. One major crash will screw an airline's ratings, and it is important to realize that not all crashes have fatalities... For the record, UA has a terrible record due to September 11 and AA had the crash over queens NY... JAL has the deadliest single carrier crash. Lots of stats and I won't go into them all, but Garuda (especially their International and their major domestic flights) are pretty good, more so when compared with other domestic carriers. I would NOT touch CitiLink and Lion Air. http://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes/...oc/list_en.pdf Air Asia seems okay. True geeks can go here... http://flightsafety.org

[redsnapr Member Find all posts View Profile Close redsnapr]

I've heard that there was a storm in progress at the time and that the cause was wind sheer and not runway overrun....unconfirmed of course.

Wind sheer may have caused the over/under run.

[MattyRedSox Member Find all posts View Profile Close MattyRedSox]

Wind sheer may have caused the over/under run.

Everything is speculation until the reports are done. I can't imagine that this will happen too quickly here.

[redsnapr Member Find all posts View Profile Close redsnapr]

... My guess though that most crashes have more to with mechanical failures and / or possible negligence or carelessness in maintenance than with pilot errors resulting from illicit activities and "personality disorders" or character flaws... but I could be wrong.
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You are.

"[FONT=Georgia]Pilot error has been the leading cause of commercial airline accidents by a wide margin for many years."

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