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  • Originally posted by tingkap View Post
    So are u planning for a conversion from a Sosbud to an ITAS? Well... I am very sure that you will be asked to a KanIm Kelas I (Class 1 Immigration office). Its procedural... KanIm -> KanWil -> DitJen. Unless you want to apply for a VITAS, which means that you need to do a visa run and rushed to get your KITAS done as soon as you enter with the VITAS.
    Pardon me tingkap, Iam kinda newbie in this KITAS,ITAS,VITAS matter.
    Last edited by muzza123; 20-03-10, 16:05.

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    • Originally posted by muzza123 View Post
      Pardon me tingkap, Iam kinda newbie in this KITAS,ITAS,VITAS matter.
      Have a look at the link below on the main sister site for further information, and in terms of the anacronyms, there is a thread specifically for that somewhere. No need to apologise, they confound many of us, and take a while to get used to...

      IknowthatyoubelieveyouunderstandwhatyouthinkIsaid, butI'mnotsureyourealisethatwhatyouheardisnotwhatI meant.

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      • Thanks omdafyd. One question though, We stay in Casaluna residence and we will stay in Jakarta(I haven't find a place yet) for 1 Year, If I go to Kanim Cirebon, then my address will be just like in my wife's KTP? how's that work?
        is there anyone familiar with Kanim Cirebon?

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        • Originally posted by tingkap View Post
          So are u planning for a conversion from a Sosbud to an ITAS? Well... I am very sure that you will be asked to a KanIm Kelas I (Class 1 Immigration office). Its procedural... KanIm -> KanWil -> DitJen. Unless you want to apply for a VITAS, which means that you need to do a visa run and rushed to get your KITAS done as soon as you enter with the VITAS.
          A little mistake here. One doesn't have to start the conversion procedure in a Kantor Imigrasi Kelas I but in the one of the wilayah of residence of his/her sponsor. KanIms (Kantor Imigrasi) are classified in between 4 categories, depending on their importance:
          - Kantor Imigrasi Kelas I Khusus (there is 7 of them in the archipelago)
          - Kantor Imigrasi Kelas I
          - Kantor Imigrasi Kelas II
          - Kantor Imigrasi Kelas III
          Therefore it doesn't need to be started in a Kantor Imigrasi Kelas I absolutely but in the KanIm of the wilayah of residence of the applicant and his/her sponsor. In Muzza 123's case, the wilayah of residence of his sponsor being in CIrebon, it should be started there... and Cirebon has a rather OK Kanim... which is a Kantor Imigrasi kelas II.

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          • Originally posted by muzza123 View Post
            Thanks omdafyd. One question though, We stay in Casaluna residence and we will stay in Jakarta(I haven't find a place yet) for 1 Year, If I go to Kanim Cirebon, then my address will be just like in my wife's KTP? how's that work?
            is there anyone familiar with Kanim Cirebon?
            Have your wife issued a new KTP with your definitive Jakartan residence then before starting the procedure. Much easier. If not, you will be involved in more administrative procedure (you will have to have your buku POA amended, new STM & SKLD...etc)
            Cirebon's KanIm is from what I've experienced above the average. I've been indirectly involved with them for a KITAS stuff and it looked smooth.

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            • Originally posted by atlantis View Post
              Have your wife issued a new KTP with your definitive Jakartan residence then before starting the procedure. Much easier. If not, you will be involved in more administrative procedure (you will have to have your buku POA amended, new STM & SKLD...etc)
              Cirebon's KanIm is from what I've experienced above the average. I've been indirectly involved with them for a KITAS stuff and it looked smooth.
              Thanks Atlantis. If Kanim Cirebon is 'smooth', then I'll be there on monday and get my Kitas done and get the new STM,SKLD and POA later in jakarta.

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              • If you start in KanIm Cirebon, you will also have to deal with KanWil JaBar in Bandung and DitJenIm in Jakarta. Your schedule is gonna be tough if your SosBud finishes soon. If you wait that your wife changes her KTP (and a probably a new sosbud if you run out of time), you will have to do everything in Jakarta.

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                • Conversion of a single entry Visa Kunjungan Sosial Budaya/Keluarga (= Visa Social Cultural/Family = Sosbud Visa) into a KITAS (both must be sponsored by the same person) .

                  It took 31 days to get the KITAS :

                  1) Went to the city's local immigration office and asked for the forms for "konversi Izin Kunjungan ke ITAS" at the forms counter , bought related folder (Rp10k) at their cooperative store , and asked the officer at the "ITAS , ITAS perpanjangan ,.." counter for the required documents .

                  2) Returned to the city's local immigration office (KanIm) and presented the following :
                  a) Passport + 3 copies of the relevant pages of the it (including the Sosbud Visa + extensions + Indonesia arriving date stamp) ,
                  b) Departure card (passport's attachment) , 3 copies only ,
                  c) Sponsor's Letter + 2 copies ,
                  d) Form "Surat Permitaan dan Jaminan" + 2 copies
                  e) "Formulir Perpanjangan atau Konversi Izin Kunjungan" + 3 copies
                  f) Other forms of the conversion package + 3 copies.
                  g) Sponsor's (wife) KTP and family card (Kartu Keluarga) , 3 copies only
                  h) Marriage certificate/book , 3 copies only
                  i) "Surat Bukti Pendaftaran Orang Asing" (normally issued at the second sosbud visa extension), 3 copies only
                  j) 4 photos 3cm X 4cm (no restriction on background color , but later , the Police required red background)

                  Note : better bring the document's originals also as the officer may like to see them .

                  3) Returned to the city's local immigration office 4 days later , received 2 envelopes , one to be delivered to the Province's immigration office (Kantor Wilayah , KanWil) , the other to be kept at home until item 9 below (to the Jakarta's main office) .

                  4) Went to the Province's immigration office and delivered one of the envelopes from the city's immigration office ,

                  5) Returned there to get their "ok" letter . The officer asked me to bring the sponsor (my wife) and my country's Embassy "Izin Kawin" (Permit to Marry) document .

                  6) I returned with my wife and the translated (English and Indonesian) notarized document in which I stated my "not married" early condition (before marrying my Indonesian wife) . The officer told me that the Indonesian Law requires the Embassy's permit . I told him that my country's law does not require any government's permit to marry and so my Embassy refused to issue it , so I brought the Statement which is used in my country and was accepted by Indonesian marriage office .
                  The officer requested us to bring our marriage officer for an interview . My suggestion to just call the marriage office was refused .

                  7) We returned with the marriage officer . The immigration officer asked the marriage officer to provide him an official letter explaining why the marriage book had a signature of the ex-minister , not the present one .

                  8) We returned with the requested marriage office's letter and after waiting , finally I got the Province's immigration's envelope addressed to Jakarta's main immigration office (after one week dealing with this regional immigration officer) . And at the end the referred immigration officer told me I would have to pay (him??) later . I didn't ask him for any detail , just said ok .

                  9) My wife went to the main immigration office in Jakarta (Jl. H. R. Rasuna Said KAV. 8-9 , Jakarta - Selatan 12940) to deliver the 2 envelopes from the 2 immigration offices , local and regional . The officer at the "Izin Tinggal dan Status Keimigrasian" asked again for the Embassy's "Izin Kawin" (Permit to Marry) document . I faxed him the notarized statement mentioned before . No further question .

                  10) I went to city's immigration office 8 days before my sosbud visa extension expired and asked immigration if I should request the extension as I would not know when Jakarta's main office would give the "ok" letter . The section boss told me I could not have 2 different process at the same time . I had to believe as they kept my passport for the KITAS process and they would not release it for the sosbud extension process .

                  11) About 10 days after going to Jakarta's main immigration office , their officer sent a "sms" informing the letters were ready and asking if we wanted him to send them by mail , but by mail it would take a long time to arrive (meaning he would send by normal mail). I regretted not have given him a fee paid express post return envelope when my wife went there .

                  12) My wife returned to Jakarta to get their 3 envelopes (one for each of the immigration offices , and , I could not believe , one for us . The officer kindly waited her a little after the office working hours .

                  13) I went to the Province's immigration office to deliver one the envelopes from Jakarta . My sosbud extension would expire in 6 days but I was not worried about it anymore .

                  14) Some 5 hours later I returned there to receive their envelope to the local immigration office . A different officer asked me if the other officer who gave us a hard time (fortunately he was not there) had told me anything . To save me time and headache I just told him :"nothing" .

                  15) Went to the city'sl immigration office the next day to deliver the 2 envelopes , one from Jakarta's main office and the other from the Province's office . Paid Rp700k + Rp55k (for digital photo) + Rp15k (for the digital fingerprints) , all specified in a single receipt . The strange thing is that for the second sosbud extension they also took digital photo and fingerprints but all for Rp15k . The only difference is that this time they printed the digital photo in the KITAS , a very low quality photo with a black "foto" word appearing over my face . I could provide 8 better 2cmx3cm paper photos for just Rp12k.

                  16) Returned to the city's immigration office one week later to receive my passport with a "ITAS" stamped in it , the KITAS , and the "Immigration Control Book"/"Buku POA" (also known as blue book) . The KITAS was issued 7 days after the initial validity of it (the date of the Jakarta's "ok" letter) . And my sosbud had already expired before the KITAS issuance but after the Jakarta's "ok" letter , and there was no problem with this fact .

                  17) Complementary documents :

                  a) My wife (my sponsor and also the owner of the house where we live) went to the nearest Police office and asked for the "Surat Tanda Melapor"(STM) and "Surat Keterangan Lapor Diri"(SKLD). They asked for the photocopies of : my KITAS/passport , and her identification card (KTP) for the STM and I should go there to take the fingerprints and bring 3 photos 3cmx4cm .
                  Note : The STM is to be requested by the owner of the house where the foreign lives , and the SKLD is to be requested by the sponsor of the KITAS

                  b) The next day we went there , requested the STM , I had fingerprints taken twice . Got one fingerprint card to be delivered to the Province's Police office (PolDa) for the SKLD.

                  c) My wife went to the Province's Police office and came back with a form and a list of the required documents/photos : sponsor's letter , the fingerprints card , photocopies of : passport , KITAS , STM , buku mutasi (immigration control book) and marriage document , + 3 photos 4cm x 6cm + 3 photos 3cm x 4cm , red background .

                  d) My wife returned to the local Police the next day to receive the STM .

                  e) My wife went to the Province's Police office to deliver the documents/photos . They said the SKLD would be ready in 2 weeks to 2 months .
                  (My wife went there more than 2 months later , official fee : Rp100k )

                  f) I went to city's "Dinas Kependudukan dan Pencatatan Sipil" (or simply Catatan Sipil) and asked about the "Surat Keterangan Tempat Tinggal"(SKTT) . The officer (indicated by their co-workers) started remembering what were necessary. I showed what I had and he picked : copies of : KITAS, passport , STM , marriage certificate , some photos 2cm x 3cm , residency statement signed by both Kelurahan and Kecematan . This last was old and he said a new one was required , even the address being the same . The price was Rp250k . I told him I wanted a receipt . In this case the price changed down to Rp150k . To pay when the document is ready .

                  g) I went to Kantor Kelurahan and they requested a new letter from the RT/RW besides copies of passport , KITAS , marriage certificate , Kartu Keluarga and STM .

                  h) Went to Bapak RT with a copy of passport an KITAS , he gave me a residency statement in 10 minutes , went to Bapak RW and got his signature in the statement in 5 minutes . No fee .

                  i) Returned to the Kantor Kelurahan with all the required documents. Got the "Surat Keterangan Serba Guna" stating my address , in about half of a hour . Asked how much . "Up to you" was the answer .

                  j) Went to Kantor Kecematan to complete the signatures in the document from Kelurahan . They said the statement from Kelurahan was lacking the purpose of it . I complained , then they added the purpose (for a SKTT) in the kelurahan statement and signed it . No fee .

                  k) Went to Catatan Sipil to deliver the address statement from Kelurahan/Kecematan to the same officer I talked to before . The documents were already ready : "Kartu Identitas Domisili Sementara" and "Surat Keterangan Susunan Keluarga Pendatang (SKSKP) Orang Asing" . The officer entered the cashier room , filled a receipt of Rp150k , signed , asked something to the Ibu responsible for the cashier counter and left . I asked Ibu for her signature in the receipt and warned her I would check with the boss if the value was indeed correct . Ibu didn't want to sign and went out to look after the officer . Both of them returned and the officer told me I don't need to pay . So I didn't pay anything . No tip also .

                  l) NPWP .
                  Last edited by marcus; 13-05-13, 11:57.

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                  • I'm so glad I found this forum. Thank u guys for taking time to share your experiences. I'm trying to get KITAS for my husband as well. It didn't work well when I asked my staff to go to KanIm for some information. He kept told my staff to asked my husband to go to Malaysia to get Visa Berdiam Sementara (VBS) and change to KITAS afterward. He also told my staff the fee is about 6 million rupiah. If I have to spend that much money, I better off hire an agent and do nothing at all.

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                    • I suppose your staff didn't ask the information to the correct officer . There is a specific place at the immigration for ITAS (VITAS/KITAS). The 6 million Rupiah price is probably a service which the person will act as an agent . In my city you don't need to ask about the fee because there is a big placard informing all services with the respective fee .
                      If you are Indonesian , and your husband is with visit visa , he can get the KITAS without exiting Indonesia , as I did recently .
                      If you are Indonesian but your husband's visa is not visit visa , then the best option probably is to go to Singapore or Kuala Lumpur and get a social cultural visa (sosial budaya/sosbud) and later convert it to KITAS inside Indonesia . Or start a VITAS process in which he will also end up with the KITAS ( this is probably the option suggested to your staff , but I believe you need to start the process in Indonesia before he get the VITAS in Singapore/Kuala Lumpur/.. )
                      Last edited by marcus; 20-06-10, 10:13.

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                      • Hello Marcus!
                        I am a woman married to a indonesian, I just have now a Visa Kunjungan 211, type B for two months, do you know if this kind the visa can be converted to a Vitas/Kitas inside of Indonesia? if so do you think in 10 weeks I will have time enough to convert it?
                        How much money do you recomend to have on the buku statement on my husband´s bank?
                        Terimakasi banyak
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                        • Shinta , reading the Regulation ( http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...ll=1#post18827 ) again , It refers to change the status of Visit Visa to ITAS , and from what Atlantis wrote here http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...usband./page14 , post 131 , I understood that Tourism Visa (which is also a Visit Visa) can be converted to KITAS too . For your information , the sosbud visa and the tourist visa have both the same 211/B identification , the difference being that the last one doesn't need a sponsor but sosbud does need a sponsor . If your visa is indeed a sosbud , then I am sure you can convert it to a KITAS inside Indonesia , like I did ( see my case here http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...usband./page25 ) . My case took 1 month to convert , but if you really have a sosbud , you have more time as you can extend it up to 180 days . About money in the bank , it was not required in my case , but if required there is a recommendation from Atlantis (Rp30 Juta/year) here http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...oreign-husband , post no.4 .
                          Last edited by marcus; 08-08-10, 19:39.

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                          • I got one Question, i got a working visa and went last week to the Imi Office and they told me, i have to spent 23 Mio. to transfer my working visa to a non working Kitas sponsored from my wife.
                            They said, Jakarta will not kabulkan ijin ini. Is it really true, from a working visa Kitas convert to non working Kitas, is it almost impossible or just a bluff again from the Imi office????

                            Thanks for any reply

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                            • It's a bluff, but unfortunately a common one. It ain't too difficult though to deal with. The DitJenIm decision (Petunjuk Pelaksanaan Direktur Jenderal Imigrasi nomor: F-309.IZ.01.10 Tahun 1995 tentang tata cara pemberian, perpanjangan, penolakan dan gugurnya izin keimigrasian) which details the procedure concerning a change of sponsor has been written in 1995 at a time when indonesian wives were not able to sponsor their foreign husband. Therefore, there is no explanation given for a change of sponsor from a company to an indonesian wife. And this is why your local KanIm petugas fill confortable in asking bribes.
                              The DitJenIm (what your kanim mysteriously call "Jakarta") won't have any trouble to process such change of sponsor and do it routinely since 2006 and the change in the citizenship law which paved the way for indonesian wife to sponsor their foreign husband .
                              The best way to deal with the problem is to ignore the oral demand of the KanIm and to start the procedure by writing a letter to the Kakanim (kepala kantor Imigrasi) stating that:
                              1. you wish to terminate your actual immigration status (KITAS indeks 312). You will require a letter of your actual sponsor to authorize you to do so.
                              2. your wife wants to sponsor you for a KITAS indeks 317 as authorized by the Peraturan Menteri Hukum dan hak asasi manusia RI nomor M.01-IZ.01.10 Tahun 2007 tentang perubahan kedua atas Keputusan menteri kehakiman RI nomor M.02-IZ.01.10 Tahun 1995 tentang visa singgah, visa kunjungan, visa tinggal terbatas, izin masuk dan izin keimigrasian following the enactment of the Undang-Undang nomor 12 tahun 2006 tentang kewarganegaraan RI.
                              3. In your letter, you should write a small paragraph notifying that you already went to the kanIm and that you got answered that it would cost you 23 millions to do so. Express your surprise and suggest that it must be a mistake from the petugas who has answered you, since the Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 38 tahun 2009 tentang jenis dan tarif atas jenis Penerimaan Negara Bukan Pajak yang berlaku pada departemen Hukum dan HAM clearly stipulates that the cost of a KITAS is IDR 700.000. No fee for a change of sponsor should be charged, apart the fee of the KITAS and the fee for the biometrik pics and fingerprint are legal as per the quoted governmental regulation which is the prevailing and most updated reg concerning immigration fees.
                              Be polite and courteous in the redaction of this paragraph. Just state your surprise, adding that you know many cases around the archipelago where the DitJenIm has processed such change of sponsor without "extra fees". Conclude by a sentence such as "there must have been a misunderstanding, which is understandable during a ramadhan month when everyone is obviously tired and prone to do mistakes which explains the wrong information given by the petugas".
                              4. Ask politely in the letter to the Kakanim to start the procedure of change of sponsor and to forward your documents to the KanWil and the Direktorat Jenderal Imigrasi as per the law.
                              5. At the end of the letter, on the left side, add the following mention:

                              Tembusan kepada yth:
                              - Direktur Jenderal Imigrasi,
                              Up. Direktur Izin Tinggal dan Status Keimigrasian
                              - Kepala Kantor Wilayah kementerian hukum dan HAM (your propinsi ex: Sumatra Barat or DKI Jakarta or Jawa Timur...etc)

                              Obviously you won't send the copy of the letter, unless if they do not adopt a positive attitude. The mention of a copy to both the KanWil and the DitJenIm should wake them up, especially with a written mention of the 23 millions asked.

                              The general tone of the letter have to be polite but should clearly let them understand that you know the law and are not ready to let anyone mess with your rights. Google the four references of law I gave in this post and print them. The letter should be addressed to Bapak Kepala Kantor Imigrasi and given to the piket so that they register it in their book. Eventually you can also ask to meet with him.
                              Do not hesitate to ask for further advise by posting in this thread or by creating a specific one.

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                              • [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Thanks Atantis for your reply. Hopefully i do understand everything the right way.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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                                [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]So, i don´t have to go to Jakarta or even Semarang, which is the Kantor Wilayah for me. (i stay in Sukoharjo close to Solo and this the most corruptable city in Indo (sumber Kompas 2009).[/FONT][/SIZE]
                                [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]The Prozedur can be done all in Solo, or am i wrong???[/FONT][/SIZE]
                                [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
                                [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Anyway, my actual Kitas will be terminate in the middle of November.[/FONT][/SIZE]
                                [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]The Sponsor is our own Company from my wife (whitch is the Direktur), everything is legal,[/FONT][/SIZE]
                                [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]NPWP every month zero, padahal di dalam RPTKA my gaji is 1500 US$. (once in 2002 it was[/FONT][/SIZE]
                                [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]suggested by the KANIM Boss in itself to so, if i would like to stay for a longer time then[/FONT][/SIZE]
                                [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]just 6 month on a SOSBUD.)[/FONT][/SIZE]
                                [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
                                [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]So, time is very important, because normaly i should pay DPKK for my next IMTA first,[/FONT][/SIZE]
                                [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]if i do fail with the "convert KITAS" it might be very tight in time to extend my KITAS again!!![/FONT][/SIZE]
                                [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
                                [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Do you think it can be done in 2 month or not???[/FONT][/SIZE]
                                [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
                                [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman](to start a new post, good idea, but i think it would be better if you do it,[/FONT][/SIZE]
                                [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]you got more experience and more reputation.)[/FONT][/SIZE]
                                [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
                                [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Salam vo Solo zu Manado.[/SIZE][/FONT]

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