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  • marcus
    Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 9173

    Originally posted by johntap View Post
    (a) ... Can the change of sponsor be done at same time as extension - given that both events will be occurring in the final month of my kitas.
    if anyone can link me to the answer this would be good -

    (b) am i safe to assume that the process for renewing or getting a a first kitas is the same as extending from year to year?

    (c) ... when one alih sponsors from work kitas to wife kitas does the kitas roll over to start at the next stage eg no 3 in the series of 5 or does it merely continue up to the end of the current work kitas but with a different sponsor only?

    I ask this because it relates to my unanswered query above - can the alih sponsor happen when the extension/renewal happens or does the alih sponsor immediately start a new stage of kitas ..
    (a) Some days ago I already provided you with an example (which I repeat below) of simultaneous "sponsor change" & "KITAS extension" . But they are 2 different process , so don't be surprised to hear that you need to do "sponsor change ' first , then KITAS extension .

    http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...ture-s-journal (sponsor's change + extension together)

    (b) The original KITAS , the : 3rd , 4th , and 5th KITAS extensions have to be approved by Jakarta's Direktorat Jenderal Imigrasi , besides the other 2 offices (Kantor Imigrasi + Kantor Wilayah) .
    The : 1st and 2nd KITAS extensions do not need Jakarta's approval .

    (c) Sponsor's change is just that (the KITAS validity period does not change) , only the "blue book" is updated with the new sponsor . And it is officially free .
    Last edited by marcus; 04-05-13, 16:01.

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    • johntap
      Member
      • Apr 2013
      • 2439

      Thank you. I have read every link that has come my way and more and I have to admit to certain failings of comprehension and memory. This is not easy for me - I realise now after more than 10 years that I have been mollycoddled with regards to immigration matters - leaving it all up to my business and their agents. How little I knew.

      I also am not a master of social media or fora dll. I find it hard to squeeze information about of this format and I can sense I do not fully understand the politics and etiquette of same. I do not fully understand who mrcibubur, altlantis, marcus etc are. I am grateful for their answers and comments however and the fact this is a free site. Perhaps I am wrong but I have the impression that some expert contributors are employed and others are volunteers here? Should I have read the home page?


      anyway I am plugging on. Anyone who has followed my 15 or so posts probably can guess that I am feeling a bit stressed - having 9 weeks to change sponsor and get a wife kitas extension of my current 3rd work kitas, with the added complication that though married for more than 5 years our addresses are all awry, and that I will have to deal with my third Kanim. Whether this summary is accurately expressed I am not sure: but I do know that thanks to this forum I would not have been able to express it this way one week ago. I can only add that all help is much appreciated. I am doing the best that I can, am only disappointing myself a little by having now contracted a friendly agent to do the leg work.

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      • bad_azz
        Member
        • Feb 2011
        • 7175

        Originally posted by johntap View Post
        Thank you. I have read every link that has come my way and more and I have to admit to certain failings of comprehension and memory. This is not easy for me - I realise now after more than 10 years that I have been mollycoddled with regards to immigration matters - leaving it all up to my business and their agents. How little I knew.

        I also am not a master of social media or fora dll. I find it hard to squeeze information about of this format and I can sense I do not fully understand the politics and etiquette of same. I do not fully understand who mrcibubur, altlantis, marcus etc are. I am grateful for their answers and comments however and the fact this is a free site. Perhaps I am wrong but I have the impression that some expert contributors are employed and others are volunteers here? Should I have read the home page?


        anyway I am plugging on. Anyone who has followed my 15 or so posts probably can guess that I am feeling a bit stressed - having 9 weeks to change sponsor and get a wife kitas extension of my current 3rd work kitas, with the added complication that though married for more than 5 years our addresses are all awry, and that I will have to deal with my third Kanim. Whether this summary is accurately expressed I am not sure: but I do know that thanks to this forum I would not have been able to express it this way one week ago. I can only add that all help is much appreciated. I am doing the best that I can, am only disappointing myself a little by having now contracted a friendly agent to do the leg work.
        Hi there just to simplify things and help your comprehension; marcus , atlantis et al are volunteers, just the same way you would be...they read something, see if they know anything that will help and then they post an answer.
        Atalntis, Puspawarna, Pony Express, Mas Rob & John Madden are moderators, again volunteers... their role is to filter out spammers, and try to keep the site from falling apart at the seams through needless bickering, rule breaking etc.
        Wm & Paman are administration, to my knowledge the owner & her son, but I could be wrong on that. They tend to be more involved with behind the scenes stuff.

        In short this forum is a free site aimed at (but not exclusive to) expats in Indonesia who want to chat, source things or seek advice. A bit like an extended network of friends and colleagues who want to help each other have a trouble free existence out here, as much as possible.
        Atlantis & marcus have a lot of knowledge about visas etc and can be trusted with their advice on the whole... they are human so just like the rest f us they can make errors, but rarely.

        Re your comment about being disappointed at contacting an agent- if you have the funds and get stressed out easily by Indonesian admin, then hey- why not??? Don't be too hard on yourself.
        Keep posting and try some of the other channels in here - who knows you might just be able to sit, relax & enjoy it
        I hope this helps you a lil bit in your understanding,

        regards B_a
        Last edited by bad_azz; 04-05-13, 17:33. Reason: typos
        Cicak Magnet

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        • johntap
          Member
          • Apr 2013
          • 2439

          thanks, that adds a bit more perspective to things. I will definitely use this site a lot more when I get over this kitas hump. I have not dared to go there - seems like almost everything is and can be covered. It is quite amazing how elusive the truth of things are and it takes quite a lot of cek and ricek to get it right. In the old days, one left the pub feeling one knew everything one needed to know.

          Off to the agent to get the blue book and kitas changed on monday - she admitted that the sundry other things that she should have also got right on my work kitas were far from "right". When she said she had to pull up my archive from one Kanim and taking it to another that's where I gave up the battle ... of doing it myself

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          • DzulSiti
            Member
            • Dec 2012
            • 125

            Greeting to Marcus and Atlantis,
            I am new to this and the first time applying it(sosbud) and hoping go for KITAS. This thread begin few year ago and not sure it is still valid. Could you guys pls help to list down what are the documents needed or consider a complete document to have a KITAS and when can I apply KITAP? I will doing online job for my current company in Singapore in Pacet(Jawa Barat) and do not have the time to travel from Pacet to Jakarta. I am thinking to get Rami Formality Service to help me to get the KITAS but not sure if the package is a complete one. Is the list below correct:-
            1. Telex approve spouce visa
            2. Kitas and blue book
            3. STM
            4. SKPSKPS
            5. SKLD/Police card
            6. MERP

            All this to a tune of RP16juta. Pls advice. Thanks very much.

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            • marcus
              Member
              • Jul 2008
              • 9173

              Originally posted by DzulSiti View Post
              (1) I am new to this and the first time applying it(sosbud) and hoping go for KITAS.

              (2) This thread begin few year ago and not sure it is still valid. Could you guys pls help to list down what are the documents needed or consider a complete document to have a KITAS

              (3) and when can I apply KITAP?

              (4) .. in Pacet(Jawa Barat) and do not have the time to travel from Pacet to Jakarta.

              (5) I am thinking to get Rami Formality Service to help me to get the KITAS but not sure if the package is a complete one. Is the list below correct:-
              1. Telex approve spouce visa
              2. Kitas and blue book
              3. STM
              4. SKPSKPS
              5. SKLD/Police card
              6. MERP

              All this to a tune of RP16juta. Pls advice. Thanks very much.
              (1) Just to inform you that I suppose the agent you are hiring is not doing the way we recommend , Sosbud > KITAS , but instead , VITAS > KITAS .

              (2) The basis for the KITAS process is still the same . What may have changed a little is in the list of required documents . Anyway , your agent may know exactly , as some 5% (?) of the list depends on where you submit the request . See other example below .

              http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...2841#post72841 , (post no.128 , example of converting Sosbud into KITAS)

              (3) As soon as you have been married with an Indonesian for 2 years and you have a KITAS . See an example below .

              http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...-an-Indonesian (example of ITAS to ITAP)

              (4) You don't need to go to Jakarta . By doing our way (Sosbud > KITAS , and then KITAS > KITAP) , one may just send the documents to Jakarta by mail/courier (for example) , and ask Jakarta to send the approval back by mail/courier .

              (5) As Atlantis said recently , STM and SKLD are not required anymore , although he recommends you to inform the Police (see his latest posts) .

              MERP is probably still optional . If you intend to go for the KITAP just after getting the KITAS , get the MERP (if wanted) after getting the KITAP . SERP may also be available .

              I think the price (Rp16 million) is too high as you may find agents charging around Rp4 million (without MERP) .

              If I was to hire an agent , I would hire an agent from my city (supposing this one you selected is from Jakarta) , because even if you go through a VITAS , most of the immigration/Kantor Catatan Sipil processes are to be done in your city .
              Last edited by marcus; 26-05-13, 22:00.

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              • ReveurGAM
                Member
                • May 2009
                • 721

                @Marcus@: I have a couple of questions about what you wrote to DzulSiti.

                1) Shouldn't the agent also be handling the documentation from CaPil, or is that where skpskps is from?
                2) I thought the new PP shows that anyone getting a ITAS/ITAP is required to have an exit-reentry permit? The particular clause (#5 below) seems to me to be written incorrectly but Atlantis has stated that he has confirmed this.

                Pasal 3
                Setiap Orang Asing yang masuk Wilayah Indonesia harus memenuhi persyaratan:
                a. memiliki Visa yang sah dan masih berlaku, kecuali yang dibebaskan dari kewajiban memiliki Visa;
                b. memiliki Dokumen Perjalanan yang sah dan masih berlaku; dan
                c. tidak termasuk dalam daftar Penangkalan.
                Pasal 5
                Bagi Orang Asing pemegang Izin Tinggal terbatas atau Izin Tinggal Tetap, selain harus memenuhi persyaratan sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 3 huruf b dan huruf c, juga harus memiliki Izin Masuk Kembali ke Wilayah Indonesia yang sah dan masih berlaku.

                @DzulSiti@: You can apply for the ITAP as soon as your ITAS is finished IF you two have been married for at least two years. If not, you must wait for your second anniversary. When you do go for the ITAP, please note the comments to me previously about the letter of domicile, the letter of integration and the report of house visits from KanIm. They are actually required, as PP 31/2013 ttg Keimigrasian states. Any Immigration officer who tells you that you need at least 3 KITASes is wrong and you should pull out UU6/2011 and PP31/2013 and ask them to explain where it shows that (it doesn't). I wish you success!

                Namaste, peace & love,
                Glenn
                I'm not arrogant or a know-it-all - I'm over-eager to help & not very good at writing humbly. Verify my answers!

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                • marcus
                  Member
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 9173

                  Originally posted by ReveurGAM View Post
                  1) Shouldn't the agent also be handling the documentation from CaPil, or is that where skpskps is from?

                  2) I thought the new PP shows that anyone getting a ITAS/ITAP is required to have an exit-reentry permit? The particular clause (#5 below) seems to me to be written incorrectly but Atlantis has stated that he has confirmed this...
                  1) I supposed that "SKPSKPS" is the Catatan Sipil's document .

                  2) Even if this is what the new PP meant , I think it will take some time untill it is done in practice .

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                  • DzulSiti
                    Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 125

                    Originally posted by marcus View Post
                    (1) Just to inform you that I suppose the agent you are hiring is not doing the way we recommend , Sosbud > KITAS , but instead , VITAS > KITAS .

                    (2) The basis for the KITAS process is still the same . What may have changed a little is in the list of required documents . Anyway , your agent may know exactly , as some 5% (?) of the list depends on where you submit the request . See other example below .

                    http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...2841#post72841 , (post no.128 , example of converting Sosbud into KITAS)

                    (3) The same about the list of required documents apply for the KITAP . See an example below .

                    http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...-an-Indonesian (example of ITAS to ITAP)

                    (4) You don't need to go to Jakarta . By doing our way (Sosbud > KITAS , and then KITAS > KITAP) , one may just send the documents to Jakarta by mail/courier (for example) , and ask Jakarta to send the approval back by mail/courier .

                    (5) As Atlantis said recently , STM and SKLD are not required anymore , although he recommends you to inform the Police (see his latest posts) .
                    MERP is probably still optional , and not necessary if you intend to go for the KITAP just after getting the KITAS .

                    I think the price (Rp16 million) is too high as you may find agents charging around Rp4 million (without MERP) .

                    If I was to hire an agent , I would hire an agent from my city (supposing this one you selected is from Jakarta) , because even if you go through a VITAS , most of the immigration/Kantor Catatan Sipil processes are to be done in your city .
                    Thanks. I saw one that cost around RP4juta. I will coming Embassy in Singapore and will be in Jakarta on 1-Jun. I hope that I able to get the KITAS without too much hindrance. Will update once done.

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                    • DzulSiti
                      Member
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 125

                      Originally posted by reveurgam View Post
                      @marcus@: I have a couple of questions about what you wrote to dzulsiti.

                      1) shouldn't the agent also be handling the documentation from capil, or is that where skpskps is from?
                      2) i thought the new pp shows that anyone getting a itas/itap is required to have an exit-reentry permit? The particular clause (#5 below) seems to me to be written incorrectly but atlantis has stated that he has confirmed this.

                      Pasal 3
                      setiap orang asing yang masuk wilayah indonesia harus memenuhi persyaratan:
                      A. Memiliki visa yang sah dan masih berlaku, kecuali yang dibebaskan dari kewajiban memiliki visa;
                      b. Memiliki dokumen perjalanan yang sah dan masih berlaku; dan
                      c. Tidak termasuk dalam daftar penangkalan.
                      Pasal 5
                      bagi orang asing pemegang izin tinggal terbatas atau izin tinggal tetap, selain harus memenuhi persyaratan sebagaimana dimaksud dalam pasal 3 huruf b dan huruf c, juga harus memiliki izin masuk kembali ke wilayah indonesia yang sah dan masih berlaku.

                      @dzulsiti@: You can apply for the itap as soon as your itas is finished if you two have been married for at least two years. If not, you must wait for your second anniversary. When you do go for the itap, please note the comments to me previously about the letter of domicile, the letter of integration and the report of house visits from kanim. They are actually required, as pp 31/2013 ttg keimigrasian states. Any immigration officer who tells you that you need at least 3 kitases is wrong and you should pull out uu6/2011 and pp31/2013 and ask them to explain where it shows that (it doesn't). I wish you success!

                      Namaste, peace & love,
                      glenn
                      thanks.

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                      • Dr. Michael Beer
                        Member
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 128

                        Marcus mentioned that Atlantis, who I very much trust with his information, told the community that, if you have ITAP you do not need SKLD (police card) and MERP anymore. I did not find his info/ Pls advice. Law and its pasal would be great. Thanks a lot

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                        • atlantis
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 16594

                          Look here: http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...l=1#post336894

                          It's not only valid for ITAP but also for ITAS holders, whatever reason they get a permit issued for (worker, sponsored by spouse, retired...etc)

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                          • marcus
                            Member
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 9173

                            Originally posted by Dr. Michael Beer View Post
                            Marcus mentioned that Atlantis, who I very much trust with his information, told the community that, if you have ITAP you do not need SKLD (police card) and MERP anymore. I did not find his info/ Pls advice. Law and its pasal would be great. Thanks a lot
                            I believe you are referring to my post no.816 at http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...040#post336040 (see copy below) :

                            "(5) As Atlantis said recently , STM and SKLD are not required anymore , although he recommends you to inform the Police (see his latest posts) .
                            MERP is probably still optional , and not necessary if you intend to go for the KITAP just after getting the KITAS"

                            Regarding MERP , it is my own opinion . I will revise this part as it is not very clear .
                            Atlantis also commented about the MERP becoming mandatory (pending his further confirmation) . I thought that because the new PP no.31 , year 2013 was recently issued , even if the MERP is mandatory under this PP , maybe the immigration offices still are not aware of that yet .

                            About the "not necessary" , I meant that if you immediately starts a KITAP process , better get a MERP (if wanted) after getting the KITAP .

                            So , all these changes are results of the new PP above referred . For more details , see the 2 Atlantis' Sticky Threads "Peraturan Pelaksanaan UU6/2011" .
                            Last edited by marcus; 26-05-13, 22:10.

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                            • leong
                              Member
                              • May 2013
                              • 23

                              Hi guys, this is my first post.

                              So, all in all, how much do you pay to get a KITAS sponsored by spouse if you were to handle everything by yourself, as compared to getting it done by an agent?

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                              • leong
                                Member
                                • May 2013
                                • 23

                                I think this is a very concise and simple instruction



                                but it stated only for west jakarta area.

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