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  • Dr. Michael Beer
    Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 128

    5-Year MERP

    Originally posted by atlantis View Post
    Erm... No offense intended but I think that it would be better to have your wife drafting it.
    It sounds way too much "bule written" due to the structure of your sentences and words such as "file" and aplikasi" (permohonan would already sound better).

    Also, I rarely quote directly to a Pejabat an article of law, especially in a letter. They just hate that, which is an humiliation. I usually talk about it when facing him, and only after having exposed the situation and my request. In a letter I would just write something like "sesuai peraturan yang berlaku", remaining vague, rather than lecturing them on a letter. The guy's gonna have an heart attack if a bule coming fromp the blue teaches him regulations that he should be aware of and without kind warning first. Keep this in mind.

    Even if I face a pejabat I would use a bit of strategy rather than a frontal attack to have him/her done his/her job. Like "Ho! look at the regulation I've found! I am not sure to understand it well but it seems that it says that... blablabla... I am sure that Bapak understand it better than me. Look, I leave you the document, take your time, I don't want to appear tidak sopan and pushy and I will just come back in a couple of day so that bapak has time to read it."
    Only with stubborn civil servants I go to the extend of lecturing and teaching them the peraturan dan persyaratan. But if I am forced to this extend I usually loose my cool and it's better if my wife is around. I can be REALLY kasar in manadonese and have stunt a couple of pejabat and a pamen here, who have certainly never been talked to in their whole life this way and who will remember me (and avoid me) untill their last breath I am afraid. Yet, it is not the situation I enjoy the most. Better to be smooth and to navigate diplomatically enough to have the things done with as less sakit hati people left behind you.

    Write first, then if you don't get the expected result, ask for an interview, then show the documents you have. If the interview is refused and the letter ignored, go to Kanwil.

    Having things done in Indonesia is often hair raising and requires ten times more time than necessary, but with the right ingredients you can't miss your recipe.
    NOT FEELING OFFENDED AT ALL, BUT VERY GRATEFUL, ATLANTIS. I 100% understand your points - just to let you know: I was teaching law at Univ Vienna, had around 6 Supreme Court Cases successfully done against the Republic of Austria and (very) obviously am still - after 14 years - NOT able to adapt to this kind of attitudes of civil servants (the word "servant" means something, does it not), who sitting on their fat ..., doing nothing besides of playing with their mobiles... Well, back to the subject.
    As already said, a very polite officer told me, that his "boss" will be here (hopefully) next week (after Nyepi). So we will have to travel another 120km (one way) and see what's going on.
    My "problems" are that (what a shame!) my Indonesian is still not very good and my lovely wife just translates my words (she comes from a very poor farmer's family, but learned a lot (speaks now very well English AND German). She was smiling, reading your answer and - "I told you already" was her comment.
    O.k. Atlantis, would it be presumptuous asking you to send me (or publish) such a letter? I would understand if you said "I have enough of this guy..."
    And: are the 2 laws I mentioned correct?
    Thanks a lot again!

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    • bad_azz
      Member
      • Feb 2011
      • 7175

      Back to Kitas processing - and I really must apologise in advance for asking questions that might have been answered several hundred posts back... but at already 781 posts this thread although brillant and very helpful has the ability to screw my head up... x

      I now have all my documents from the KanIm (I think) ... I have done the fingerprints and I have my KITAS and blue book and paid for it ... (I have made lots of photocopies of it and the blue book and the stamps in my passport... ) so...
      what is next and what documents must I take please?

      1 Catan Sipil
      2 Polres
      3 Polda

      Due to the stamp of the issue date and the 14 day maximum before I must report my KITAS status I am left with 3 whole working days to do the Catatan Sipil trip.
      (this is the same place that charged my hubby 850,000 for a document - so needless to say he will not be armed with any cash this time and I will be driving us both there - & by the time I arrive I will be in no mood to take prisoners... its about 30km away)

      If anyone has the answers it would be great. xx B_a
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      • marcus
        Member
        • Jul 2008
        • 9238

        Originally posted by bad_azz View Post
        .... what is next and what documents must I take please?

        1 Catan Sipil
        2 Polres
        3 Polda
        Each city may have a different procedure , but it is probably similar (see my case below) .

        http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...2841#post72841 , (post no.128 , example of converting Sosbud into KITAS , Catatan Sipil's registration , SKLD) .

        Other case :

        http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...s-in-real-time... (Cup1981's case)
        Last edited by marcus; 10-03-13, 22:17.

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        • bad_azz
          Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 7175

          thanks marcus ,
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          • haseum
            Member
            • Sep 2012
            • 7

            first of all I want say so many thanks to all person who sharing their experience and guide the people to do best things.
            I already done my conversion from kitas to kitap. last Friday I went to kantor immigrasi bandung and paid 3.055.000rp then they took my photo during I was waiting for my turn for take photo I saw all forefinger use some agent and in there I was who carry all process by myself that was great feeling and as much as I could talk with them and explained how process of these matter is easy just take time bait more than use an agent and give this forum address for more info any way I liked to add some note here from my experience during process :
            1- before get start check and recheck all document be sure every things are complete however they will be ask some document else
            2-from all your document make plenty photocopy I guess 6 time from each for starting must be enough
            3-for me biggest challenge was make interview with kanim it was take 2 hours question and answer
            4- [SIZE=3]every documents they give you(from immigration or kantor welayah) 3 time check for find some wrong type your name or your passport number[/SIZE] or ... in this process more than 3 times same mistake happened for me so better at the moment check their letter or surat surat.
            5- my suggestion for who live in bandung or some city near by jakarta after finish process in KANTOR welayah and kanwil take letter for jakarta by yourself and send them also manually also when process in jakarta finish take them from jendral imigrasi and bring it back by yourself it will be take tow trip to jakarta this action has many advantage and honestly it is so easy for example I from bandung use cititrnce travel from ciwalk and end up come down in pasar festival in jakarta , pasr festival exactly located in front of jndral immigrasi jakarta just cross the road and send the letter to 5th floor to the ahli status office in there then they'll give you a letter and tell you when your surat permohonan ready will call you and this one will take 10 days, but I did not trust them as really they will call me then I call them with this telephone number :

            [FONT=sans-serif]The phone number of the DitJen is 021-5224654658[SIZE=5] ext 2521 [/SIZE]
            after 4 day I called them and they answer me letter is ready my suggestion was true they did not call me when letter was ready I went there and I took it and sent it to bandung kantor welayah and immigrasi

            all duration process was 43 days from start to finish now I am going to process for SKLD and KOA AND KTP AND STM

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            Last edited by haseum; 13-03-13, 11:53.

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            • haseum
              Member
              • Sep 2012
              • 7

              and I have BIG question right now I have kitap sponsor by my wife during I have it if I'll get some offer for work here in Indonesia what will happened I have to cancel this kitab and process from first time waiting until how many years again or if I take offer of work and take sponsor by some company and after while I stop working or company stop product then I have to process like first time kitas ikut istiri and accounting that one from first kitas???? please if some one know my answer explain it for me.

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              • riickerskine@gmail.com
                Member
                • Feb 2013
                • 6

                [COLOR=#333333]Hello Atlantis,[/COLOR]

                [COLOR=#333333]I have downloaded your PDF on Kitas and Kitap etc. I am responding to your invitation to inquire on this subject. I am married to an Indonesian girl now for 3 years and am living in Saudi Arabia. I am Canadian. I will be retiring in a few years. We own a house in Bali. I am wanting to get going with the visa/resident/citizenship process. For the coming couple of years yet, I doubt that I would be able to "actually" reside in Indo for the required 183 days per year on a Kitas/Kitap. Is there a way to continue to live abroad for most of the year and proceed with all of this. My ultimate goal is citizenship or at the very least Kitap. This may not be the right thread....but I didn't see you elsewhere on the site.[/COLOR]

                [COLOR=#333333]Best Regards,[/COLOR]

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                • marcus
                  Member
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 9238

                  Originally posted by haseum View Post
                  ... if I'll get some offer for work here in Indonesia what will happened ...
                  Your employer has to get you just the work permit (IMTA) , so you will be able to work legally with the KITAP + IMTA .
                  Last edited by marcus; 13-03-13, 20:15.

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                  • bad_azz
                    Member
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 7175

                    I just need to clear up a point in the published process for after receipt of the KITAS/ blue book.
                    Go to POLDA before going to Catatan Sipil.
                    Polda will issue a document Tanda - Terima and then charge you (the official fee) 100,000 IR for it as already noted here in the forum (and I was very happy to note that the man who dealt with us at Polda happily pointed out the price listed on a noticeboard in the office- he seemed proud to be announcing legitimate charges- maybe the police are cleaning up their act?).
                    Catatan Sipil want this before they can progress with their side of things - as I have found out over the last couple of days.

                    The date of issuance of the KITAS is not likely to be the date you get it either... most likely dated a week or so before you get it.
                    So no luxury of time for reporting things however - the information I read here says that the time limit is 14days with Catatan Sipil and 1 month with Polda.
                    This is bizarre because as i say CaPil won't process the papers without the POLDA paper.

                    I have been surprised how lovely the police have been. I was expecting different.
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                    • marcus
                      Member
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 9238

                      Originally posted by bad_azz View Post
                      (1) .. Go to POLDA before going to Catatan Sipil...

                      (2) Catatan Sipil want this before they can progress with their side of things - as I have found out over the last couple of days.
                      ... This is bizarre because as i say CaPil won't process the papers without the POLDA paper...
                      (1) I did them more or less together .
                      Before May 2011 there was a big penalty for delaying the SKLD (POLDA) , but now there is no penalty .
                      The SKTT (Catatan Sipil) may still have a delay penalty .

                      (2) Catatan Sipil is a city's government office . Each city may have different requirements .
                      In Bandung , Catatan Sipil got my STM (which is normally issued quickly , 30 minutes to one day) , not the SKLD . I have to add that one of their registration document states the STM number in place where it was to state the SKLD number . I suppose they know that the SLKD takes , sometimes , more than 2 months to be ready , so they used the STM instead . Or they think both are the same document ; or they don't care which one is used as both STM and SKLD are proof of the foreigner's registration at the Police .
                      Last edited by marcus; 14-03-13, 07:30.

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                      • bad_azz
                        Member
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 7175

                        I am in the same city marcus, but in the outer city so I have to go to waaaaaay out to Batujaja to the Capil. So it is indeed a different one to the one you went to and this being bureaucracy the Polda is waaaay out to the east of the city in Cibiru .

                        (I was in no way criticising what you or atlantis have posted - only in so much as I had read it to mean going to Capil , then going to Polda- so I just wanted to be clear what my experience has been thus far) the advice from both you and atlantis has been amazingly helpful for me in getting through these processes).
                        Thank you very much, [SIZE=1]also as soon as I get the chance I'd love for to meet up again for a chat- my eldest girl is coming over again- the one you met before so maybe we can find a good time whilst she is here. [/SIZE]
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                        • bad_azz
                          Member
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 7175

                          I must just add that at PolDa the policeman dealing with the documents was beyond himself trying to find a card to show me... he found one of another English woman here. He proudly held it up for me to read, saying (in bahasa inggris no less) that I must return in 1 month to collect my own card just like the one he was showing me.
                          He spent time explaining (again in English) what it was for and that the stamped document he gave me must be presented to the Capil when I go there.
                          I was more shocked at this display of professionalism and pride in his work than at the many things that have happened to me since I first set foot off a plane in Indonesia!
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                          • Bjoern
                            Member
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 18

                            Having searched for a while in this forum and this particular thread I still could not find any answers to my problem/question - which is...

                            My KITAS will expire at the end of April 2013.
                            It's a wife-sponsored, 12-months KITAS.
                            We processed this first KITAS through an agent.

                            To reduce costs we consider to do the extension of my KITAS by ourselves.
                            Is there a step-by-step guide how to do this somewhere either in this forum or anywhere else?

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                            • jstar
                              Member
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 6054

                              Originally posted by Bjoern View Post
                              Having searched for a while in this forum and this particular thread I still could not find any answers to my problem/question - which is...

                              My KITAS will expire at the end of April 2013.
                              It's a wife-sponsored, 12-months KITAS.
                              We processed this first KITAS through an agent.

                              To reduce costs we consider to do the extension of my KITAS by ourselves.
                              Is there a step-by-step guide how to do this somewhere either in this forum or anywhere else?
                              Perhaps not a step-by-step guide but there are multiple threads on KITAS extensions.

                              Like this one:

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                              • marcus
                                Member
                                • Jul 2008
                                • 9238

                                Originally posted by Bjoern View Post
                                ... To reduce costs we consider to do the extension of my KITAS by ourselves.
                                Is there a step-by-step guide how to do this somewhere either in this forum or anywhere else?
                                I don't remember seeing any at this Forum . You can just take one step-by-step example for an original KITAS and subtract the part related to the main immigration office (Direktorat Jenderal Imigrasi/DirJenIm) . The second and 3rd KITAS extensions do not need approval form DirJenIm . What should add , maybe :

                                - Start the extension at least 30 days before the KITAS expires (2nd and 3rd extension normally takes a little less than 20 days to finish) ,

                                - The forms package is for "ITAS Perpanjangan" instead of "Konversi Izin Kunjungan ke ITAS" ,

                                - Most of documents will require 2 copies , instead of 3 ,

                                - From the list of required documents in my example (see link below) , add the KITAS and "blue book" , and you will probably need to add a "Surat Keterangan Domisili" (involving , in this order : RT/RW , Kantor Kelurahan , and Kantor Kecamatan) , and a "Surat Keterangan" stating you are still married (from KUA or Catatan Sipil) . Ask your Kantor Imigrasi for their required list and samples of these "Surat" . If they cannot provide the samples , ask here later for them .
                                Photos may not be required anymore .

                                So basically :
                                - Enter request at your local Kantor Imigrasi . They also started recently to perform an interview with both couples together .

                                - After the ok from Kantor Imigrasi , bring the approval package to Kantor Wilayah ,

                                - After the ok from Kantor Wilayah , bring their approval package back to Kantor Imigrasi .

                                - Pay Rp755'000 , they get your digital photo/fingerprints , and some days later , come back for the KITAS/passport/"blue book" .

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                                http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...2841#post72841 , (post no.128 , example of converting Sosbud into KITAS)

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