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  • #46
    little hope out there..

    Originally posted by atlantis
    FYI, Bapak Cecep Supriatna Anwar is also the former Kepala Humas (Hubungan Masyarakat/Public relations) of the Direktorat Jenderal Imigrasi, before being promoted to the rank of Kasubdit Alih Status. One can imagine that he is used to hear complaints about Imigrasi...
    Good day Atlantis, today i managed to call the ext you gave me, and someone pick up the phone and when i asked about the status of the application given my husband's details, whether the file has been registered..
    Nicely he asked me to call a lady to check with her, and surprisingly it's Bpk. Cecep Soepriatna who is talking to me.. I thanked him as sources of information in the articles/seminar. He is a nice person from what i heard on the phone.

    I just told him that not that i don;t want to go jakarta by myself, but is because im going to give birth soon and difficulties of my husband to speak in bahasa, also i could fax him the medical letter from my doctor. He said no problem with that, he could help me to send back SK dirjen to my address, once its ready to collect. I'm so glad to hear that even though i still prefer my friend to collect it with surat kuasa, it is much faster i guess..

    After i rang the lady, she told me that Bpk.Cecep has given her an order to help me to check the status of my husband's file. She asked me whether i already send kanwil letter and when was that. Without mentioning the whole story, i just told her when the file was submitted and who is the receiver. She said she will try to find the file and requested me to sms the details of my husband and check again with her within few days.

    Now there is a little hope to get it done.. but still i dont know how to think about the previous officer who rejected my husband's file whom until now insisting us to come to jakarta personally.. i have fax my medical letter & copy of kanwil's letter from the prev officer gave my friend.
    Let's wait and see... Wish me luck..

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    • #47
      Some more question on the process

      Hi, allow me some more questions on the process of obtaining a KITAS sponsored by my Indonesian wife.

      1. It's pretty clear to me now that we can do the whole process ourselves, KanIm - KanWil - DitJen Imigrasi JKT - KanWil - KanIm.

      However the Petunjuk Pelaksanakan DItJen Imigrasi Nomor F-310.IZ.01.10 Tahun 1995 doesn't mention this, it only describes the sending/bringing of the relevant documents by the KaKaim to the KaKanwitl and by the KaKanWil to the DitJen vice versa.

      Is there any official reference that states that I and/or my wife can do all this ourselves too?

      2. My KaKaim gave my wife a list of necessary documents for the conversion. This list doesn't mention the Ryawat Hidup and the copy bankstatement. (We've never been asked for a copy bankstatement of my wife for the SosBud extentions).

      List of docs to bring to my KaKaim:
      • [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Surat Keterangan Domisili suami, (yeah, that's me)[/SIZE][/FONT]
      • [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Akte Kawin[/SIZE][/FONT]
      • [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Kartu Keluarga [/SIZE][/FONT]
      • [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]KTP [/SIZE][/FONT]
      • [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Foto: 2x3 (2) 3x4 (2) 4x6 (6) background merah[/SIZE][/FONT]
      • [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Paspor[/SIZE][/FONT]
      [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]a) I don't understand the Surat Keterangan Domisili. When it's the SKTT, I will only get one after I have my KITAS. Perhaps it is my last STM? Or an SKTT of my wife?[/SIZE][/FONT]
      [SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
      [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]b) Regarding the Ryawat Hidup, I guess it needs to be in Indonesian ?[/SIZE][/FONT]
      [SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
      [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]c) I understand that only copies of all these documents are needed so the originals will be returned by the KaKaim befor we go to the KanWil, is that right?[/SIZE][/FONT]
      [SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
      [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]d) Do the copies need to be legalized copies ?[/SIZE][/FONT]

      3. What if the process happens to take longer than the validity of my SosBud (I'm already 1 week over my third extension). Of course I would have to get a new SosBud in SIN I guess, but would that also imply I have to start the whole procedure all over again from the start , since I would then be on a new Sosial Budaya in Indonesia?


      Thanks in advance for aswering my questions.

      N.
      Last edited by Nescio; 21-08-09, 10:22. Reason: text make-up

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      • #48
        try to help..

        Originally posted by Nescio View Post
        Hi, allow me some more questions on the process of obtaining a KITAS sponsored by my Indonesian wife.
        1. It's pretty clear to me now that we can do the whole process ourselves, KanIm - KanWil - DitJen Imigrasi JKT - KanWil - KanIm.
        However the Petunjuk Pelaksanakan DItJen Imigrasi Nomor F-310.IZ.01.10 Tahun 1995 doesn't mention this, it only describes the sending/bringing of the relevant documents by the KaKaim to the KaKanwitl and by the KaKanWil to the DitJen vice versa.
        Is there any official reference that states that I and/or my wife can do all this ourselves too?
        N.
        yes, correct (KanIm - KanWil - DitJen Imigrasi JKT - KanWil - KanIm) and you can do the whole process by yourself.
        as per prev post by Atlantis, Here is an excerpt of the Petunjuk Pelaksanaan DirJenIm nomor F-310.IZ.01.10 tahun 1995 tentang tata cara alih status keimigrasian:
        "[COLOR=black][FONT=EMCKJO+TrebuchetMS][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Permintaan alih status Izin Kunjungan diajukan oleh orang asing yang bersangkutan dan sponsornya atau kuasanya[/SIZE][/FONT]..." *

        [/FONT][/COLOR]
        Originally posted by Nescio View Post
        2. My KaKaim gave my wife a list of necessary documents for the conversion. This list doesn't mention the Ryawat Hidup and the copy bankstatement. (We've never been asked for a copy bankstatement of my wife for the SosBud extentions).
        N.
        From my experience and from what i understand, There is a list of Riwayat Hidup but this is not for those Individual sponsor applicant. Riwayat Hidup is for those who are working and sponsor by the company to obtain KITAS if not mistaken.
        They never ask for the Bank statement in my case up to this stage of DitjeNim Jakarta, but i agreed with all prev post here is that to be prepared when they asked for it to avoid delay of the process of KITAS (i cant recall how much minimum income to be a sponsor). They might ask when we go back to Kanwil or Kanim.

        Originally posted by Nescio View Post
        [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]a) I don't understand the Surat Keterangan Domisili. When it's the SKTT, I will only get one after I have my KITAS. Perhaps it is my last STM? Or an SKTT of my wife?[/SIZE][/FONT]N.
        You answer is at the point 18 bellow,
        Once your wife's KITAS issued, there are extra steps to be done.
        go to point no 16-19 as mentioned by Atlantis:
        [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]
        16[/FONT][/COLOR]
        [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. At that point, it is advisable to ask for an "Izin Masuk Kembali" to be stamped in the husband passport. Without it, the KITAS holder "looses" his KITAS if he goes out of Indonesia. Better then to have it if you don't want to do it all over again. [/FONT][/COLOR]
        See in the archives of this channel for the official fees attached to the Izin masuk Kembali.
        [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]17[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. You still need to process a SKLD (Surat Keterengan Lapor Diri) which is a trendy little plastic card with the husband's pic. There is no fee for it but the Intelkam boss will try to extort something from you. IDR 50K should do it. You have to go to your main Police Resort to get it sorted. You will also have to get a STM (Surat Tanda Melapor - no fee) stating your address. The person who gives shelter to the foreigner should be the one reporting and signing it.[/FONT][/COLOR]
        [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]18[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. The foreigner has to go to his Kantor Lurah to get a Surat keterengan domisili stating his formal address in Indonesia and he should bring this letter to his Catatan Sipil to get:
        [/FONT][/COLOR]
        • [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]a SKTT (Surat Keterangan Tempat Tinggal)[/FONT][/COLOR]
        • [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]a SKPPS (surat keterengan pendaftaran penduduk sementara)
          [/FONT][/COLOR]
        • [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]a SKDLN (Surat Keterengan Datang dari Luar Negeri.[/FONT][/COLOR]

        [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]A foreigner staying on a KITAS MUST register at the Capil for the above documents. It will help smothen a KITAP procedure later. In fact, chances are that the CaPil compil the three documents and issue a nice greenish card attesting your residency and registration as a temporary resident for the length of the KITAS. Fees for it are defined by Peraturan Daerah and varies depending on each kota/kabupaten. It shouldn't cost more than IDR 150K.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=Red]
        [/COLOR] [COLOR=Red][FONT=Verdana]Be careful you have 14 days to do so after the date of issuance of the KITAS (Pasal 20, undang undang 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan) to register. Failure to do so in time would expose you to a fine of a maximum of IDR 2.000K (Pasal 89, undang undang 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan).[/FONT][/COLOR]
        [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]19[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. Your next move will be to go to the Departemen Pajak to get a NPWP, the husband's personal tax number... [/FONT][/COLOR]

        Originally posted by Nescio View Post
        [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]c) I understand that only copies of all these documents are needed so the originals will be returned by the KaKaim befor we go to the KanWil, is that right?[/SIZE][/FONT] N.
        You need to bring along all of the original documents for them to validate in Kanim, but they will keep your wife original pasport (don't forget to legalised all the copies)

        Originally posted by Nescio View Post
        3. What if the process happens to take longer than the validity of my SosBud (I'm already 1 week over my third extension). Of course I would have to get a new SosBud in SIN I guess, but would that also imply I have to start the whole procedure all over again from the start , since I would then be on a new Sosial Budaya in Indonesia?
        N.
        SosBud (VKSB) can be extended as much as 4 times if im not wrong, and you may have 1 more time to extend in local imigration here in Indonesia.
        In my case, its already took 1month to reach or at least not to be ignored by the officer DItjenNim in Jakarta (Thanks to Atlantis for his knowlegde) and its not yet done..
        But if you can go to jakarta, it will much faster i guess..

        So i suggest you better hurry.. Idul Fitri & Holiday are coming soon, it will much delay everything..
        Good Luck...

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Nescio View Post
          Is there any official reference that states that I and/or my wife can do all this ourselves too?
          You obviously can do all the things by yourself. If they do it for you, this is even better: the law stipulates that the cost of a KITAS is IDR 700.000, with or without them being involved. I remind you that a PNS is not authorised to charge for his services or to act as a calo. Therefore their involvment as no influence on the biaya of the KITAS. With it in mind, you won't be surprised to find out that they see no objection for doing the entire procedure by yourself. If you can fill the forms for them it won't even bother them.
          Originally posted by Nescio View Post
          My KaKaim gave my wife a list of necessary documents for the conversion. This list doesn't mention the Ryawat Hidup
          The Riwayat hidup is a mandatory document for a KITAS (Juklak F310 tahun 1995: "[COLOR=black][FONT=EMCKJO+TrebuchetMS][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Daftar riwayat hidup yang memuat keterangan tentang riwayat keluarga, pekerjaan dan pendidikan orang asing yang bersangkutan.")[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=EMCKJO+TrebuchetMS][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Just prepare it. If she wants it, fine. If she doesn't, fine also. By providing it you avoid that she asks you to come back with one.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]
          Originally posted by Nescio View Post
          and the copy bankstatement. (We've never been asked for a copy bankstatement of my wife for the SosBud extentions).
          The law says that an applicant must have sufficient fund for the whole period of the intended stay. By providing a bank statement with such "sufficient" amount, an applicant suppress one of the very few reasons why a KITAS could be legally refused. However, if you don't have it, it ain't a mandatory document for the application. It is just a way to avoid any possible contestation or discussion.
          Originally posted by Nescio View Post
          [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]a) I don't understand the Surat Keterangan Domisili. When it's the SKTT, I will only get one after I have my KITAS. Perhaps it is my last STM? Or an SKTT of my wife?[/SIZE][/FONT]
          [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Either an STM or a real Surat Keterangan Domisili issued by your Kantor Lurah. This is just for them to make sure that you reside in the wilayah.[/SIZE][/FONT]

          Originally posted by Nescio View Post
          [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]b) Regarding the Ryawat Hidup, I guess it needs to be in Indonesian ?[/SIZE][/FONT]
          [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Yes it does. Simple one tho'. It ain't for a job application.[/SIZE][/FONT]
          Originally posted by Nescio View Post
          [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]c) I understand that only copies of all these documents are needed so the originals will be returned by the KaKaim befor we go to the KanWil, is that right?[/SIZE][/FONT]
          [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Correct. They may keep it a couple of days, time for them to write the letter for the KanWil[/SIZE][/FONT]
          Originally posted by Nescio View Post
          [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]d) Do the copies need to be legalized copies ?[/SIZE][/FONT]
          Normally not. They will have the originals anyway. No one has ever asked me legalised copies but it may vary depending on the mood of the Kakanim...
          Originally posted by Nescio View Post
          3. What if the process happens to take longer than the validity of my SosBud (I'm already 1 week over my third extension). Of course I would have to get a new SosBud in SIN I guess, but would that also imply I have to start the whole procedure all over again from the start , since I would then be on a new Sosial Budaya in Indonesia?
          You would have to start all over again. However, you normally have time to complete the whole thing. It shouln't take more than 4 to 6 weeks.
          Last edited by atlantis; 27-08-09, 20:41.

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          • #50
            im so glad i found this forum

            thanks Atlantis for your guidance..... all my problems regarding the immigration issues has finally end...
            Being so lucky that i managed to talked to Bpk. Cecep earlier by phone..he has helped a lot.. given the order to his assistant to deal with my application. within few days mystery has been solved. I just send the surat kuasa by fax to my relative to pick up SK dirjen, she said as given the approval provided medical letter that i faxed to her.
            My hubbie got 1 yr KITAS (even though his passport still valid up to more than 3years from today) i guess the UU RI is no use.. they still can approve the application according to their own reasons n point of view...
            UU RI stating that:

            Pasal I
            Beberapa ketentuan dalam Keputusan Menteri Kehakiman Nomor: M.02-IZ.01.10 Tahun 1995
            tentang Visa Singgah, Visa Kunjungan, Visa Tinggal Terbatas, Izin Masuk dan Izin Keimigrasian
            sebagaimana telah diubah dengan Keputusan Menteri Kehakiman Nomor: M.01-IZ.01.10 Tahun
            2003, diubah sebagai berikut :
            1. Ketentuan Pasal 18 diubah sehingga berbunyi sebagai berikut:
            Pasal 18
            (1) Visa Tinggal Terbatas untuk jangka waktu paling lama 6 (enam) bulan dapat
            diberikan kepada pemohon visa dengan masa berlaku paspor sekurang-kurangnya 1
            (satu) tahun.
            (2) Visa Tinggal Terbatas untuk jangka waktu paling lama 1 (satu) tahun dapat diberikankepada pemohon visa dengan masa berlaku paspor sekurang-kurangnya 1 (satu) tahun
            6 (enam) bulan.
            (3) Visa Tinggal Terbatas untuk jangka waktu paling lama 2 (dua) tahun dapat diberikan
            kepada pemohon visa dengan masa berlaku paspor sekurang-kurangnya 2 (dua) tahun
            6 (enam) bulan.


            now i waiting from the kanwil to get the letter and continue with kanim.

            well... just follow the steps of atlantis threads..it works... just need to have some luck and patient
            good luck to you all..
            for atlantis.. dont get bored to share your useful info's with us
            u r the best...
            Last edited by lelenk88; 27-08-09, 21:29.

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            • #51
              You are welcome.
              From now on, the path is fairly easy. KanWil or KanIm can not give you any troubles, now that the SK is signed. Consider that your husband has already his KITAS. Just relax and give birth to a healthy little kid.
              Get a MERP after the KITAS and do the required registration (SKLD & SKTT). Save a copy of all document. In a bit more than two yers your husband will be able to apply for a KITAP (5 years permanent residency permit).

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              • #52
                for get KITAS ...

                Does the husband must stay 4 months in indonesia 1st ?

                or after wedding directly he can get the KITAS ?

                how about if he enter to indonesia using visa 60 days (no sponsor). ???
                Bandung ( aku selalu merindukanMu )

                Kumaha Damang ?

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by lelenk88 View Post
                  My hubbie got 1 yr KITAS (even though his passport still valid up to more than 3years from today) i guess the UU RI is no use.. they still can approve the application according to their own reasons n point of view...
                  UU RI stating that:

                  Pasal I
                  Beberapa ketentuan dalam Keputusan Menteri Kehakiman Nomor: M.02-IZ.01.10 Tahun 1995
                  tentang Visa Singgah, Visa Kunjungan, Visa Tinggal Terbatas, Izin Masuk dan Izin Keimigrasian
                  sebagaimana telah diubah dengan Keputusan Menteri Kehakiman Nomor: M.01-IZ.01.10 Tahun
                  2003, diubah sebagai berikut :
                  1. Ketentuan Pasal 18 diubah sehingga berbunyi sebagai berikut:
                  Pasal 18
                  (1) Visa Tinggal Terbatas untuk jangka waktu paling lama 6 (enam) bulan dapat
                  diberikan kepada pemohon visa dengan masa berlaku paspor sekurang-kurangnya 1
                  (satu) tahun.
                  (2) Visa Tinggal Terbatas untuk jangka waktu paling lama 1 (satu) tahun dapat diberikankepada pemohon visa dengan masa berlaku paspor sekurang-kurangnya 1 (satu) tahun
                  6 (enam) bulan.
                  (3) Visa Tinggal Terbatas untuk jangka waktu paling lama 2 (dua) tahun dapat diberikan
                  kepada pemohon visa dengan masa berlaku paspor sekurang-kurangnya 2 (dua) tahun
                  6 (enam) bulan.
                  Don't blame them for that, they are right.

                  It is perfectly legimitate from the KanIm to deliver a 1 year, and only one year KITAS to a foreign spouse of an indonesian citizen. 2 years KITAS are not allowed for KITAS 317 (which is the type of KITAS given to dependant spouse). It is allowed only for holders of:
                  • KITAS 311: ("untuk keperluan bekerja seperti kerka ahli anggota World Trade Organisation")
                  • KITAS 314: ("penanam modal asing")
                  • KITAS 316: ("mengikuti pendidikan")
                  A KITAS delivered for alasan penyatuan keluarga (KITAS 317) is a 1 year KITAS not more. Which make sense since nowadays an annual assessment is not a bad idea if you consider the number of divorce...
                  The paragraph of law you have quoted is only one of the two conditions that define the length of a KITAS.
                  The above second condition is well detailed in a decree called Peraturan Direktur Jenderal Imigrasi nomor F-434 IZ-01.10 tahun 2006 tentang bentuk, ukuran, jenis dan indeks serta peneraan visa.
                  To have a clear and complete lecture of what immigration laws and procedure are, one have to go through hundreds of laws, bylaws, regulations and decrees.
                  To be honest, Imigrasi has a bunch of crappy guys but in my experience they always do everything in accordance to law when they are scrutinised. We can blame them for a lot of things, but believe me, when they are shown with the proper law or when they understnd that you know as well or better than them the law, they don't mess.


                  Originally posted by lelenk88 View Post
                  for atlantis.. dont get bored to share your useful info's with us
                  u r the best...
                  Thanks. No worries, I am still far, very far from getting bored to learn and share.
                  Last edited by atlantis; 01-09-09, 10:13.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by modi_ani View Post
                    for get KITAS ...

                    Does the husband must stay 4 months in indonesia 1st ?

                    or after wedding directly he can get the KITAS ?

                    how about if he enter to indonesia using visa 60 days (no sponsor). ???
                    I have answered to your questions in the thread you have initiated a couple of days ago:
                    http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...ead.php?t=4354

                    However, here is an answer in english about your three questions above.

                    1. No, I repeat no, you are not forced to wait 4 months to get a conversion of a Sosbud in a KITAS. It is an error often made by the Kantor Imigrasi around the archipelago that shows that they ignore that the article 48 of the PerPem 32/1994 that was stipulating that one has to wait four months before being able to apply for a conversion of one's immigration status, has been amended in 2005. The amended article removed this mandatory delay. (cf post #1 of this thread)

                    2. As soon as one gets an Akta Perkawinan delivered by the Dinas Kependudukan dan Catatan Sipil or a Buku Nikah delivered by the KUA, one can start the procedure.

                    3. A tourist 60 days visa (without sponsor) is not extendable. Therefore it doesn't leave enough time to complete the whole procedure. It would be highly risky IMHO.
                    Last edited by atlantis; 02-09-09, 06:44.

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                    • #55
                      Just wondering, do you need to be physically present in Indonesia during the whole process of application?

                      I'm currently based in Singapore and travel back and forth every two weeks for now. I'm planning to apply a KITAS and quit my job

                      In the meantime, would it be ok if I start my application and still travel back and forth?

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by tingkap View Post
                        Just wondering, do you need to be physically present in Indonesia during the whole process of application?

                        I'm currently based in Singapore and travel back and forth every two weeks for now. I'm planning to apply a KITAS and quit my job

                        In the meantime, would it be ok if I start my application and still travel back and forth?
                        Bear in mind that it is a process of conversion of an immigration status to another immigration status. When one leaves Indonesia, without Izin Masuk Kembali (re-entry permit in case valid on a stay permit - KITAS or KITAP), it teminates one's current status. Therefore no conversion of it is possible... since it is terminated.
                        In short, you must be in Indonesia for the whole process.
                        Another way for you to apply however is a direct application of a KITAS in an embassy abroad. Your sponsor would have to start the procedure here in Indonesia, be interviewed by her KanIm and very possibly by the DitjenIm in Jakarta before that a telex is sent to the KBRI of your choice to pick up your KITAS. This procedure is different and is not a conversion of status.

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                        • #57
                          buzz

                          Originally posted by atlantis View Post
                          You are welcome.
                          From now on, the path is fairly easy. KanWil or KanIm can not give you any troubles, now that the SK is signed. Consider that your husband has already his KITAS. Just relax and give birth to a healthy little kid.
                          Get a MERP after the KITAS and do the required registration (SKLD & SKTT). Save a copy of all document. In a bit more than two yers your husband will be able to apply for a KITAP (5 years permanent residency permit).
                          sorry Atlantis.. What is MERP?

                          thx in advance..

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by lelenk88 View Post
                            sorry Atlantis.. What is MERP?

                            thx in advance..
                            MERP stands for Multiple Entry Re-entry Permit. Without it your husband can not go oustide indonesia without loosing his KITAS (It would terminate it and you would have to do the whole process all over again to get him a new KITAS). The correct name in Bahasa Indonesiais Izin Masuk Kembali. I have communicate the legal fees for it in several threads in the archives of this forum I believe.
                            However, if your husband has no reason to go out, it ain't mandatory. It may be wise to have one, just as a security, in case he needs to go out for an unplanned reason. It takes a few days to be issued, depending on the quickness of the KanIm. No trips to the KanWil or DitJenIm are required. Just a trip to the KanIm.

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                            • #59
                              Dear atlantis,

                              I've just joined the forum. I've been reading the messages in this thread with great interest. I want to join others in thanking you for the detailed information you posted on KITAS. I am married to an Indonesian wife and we live in Australia. Until recently we thought there was no way she could sponsor me for a long stay visa like KITAS. We kept asking why... After reading your posts, we made an inquiry to an Indonesian consultate general office and they confirmed that such change of immigration status is possible, although they don't provide the information publicly on their website. We are considering to move to Indonesia in a year or so.

                              One question that comes to my mind is, do you think this current arrangement is likely to stay? Is there a chance that the law could change? Thank you.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Chuckman View Post
                                I've been reading the messages in this thread with great interest. I want to join others in thanking you for the detailed information you posted on KITAS.
                                Thanks. Really appreciated. Participating to this forum takes a bit of my free time and it is always nice to read that it can be useful for some, especially for those who stay far from Indonesia and for those who have less or even no ressources to unbiased informations. It is also very nice to see that more and more people become users and add to the number that can potentially help their fellows. Let me then welcome you warmly to the forum.
                                Originally posted by Chuckman View Post
                                One question that comes to my mind is, do you think this current arrangement is likely to stay? Is there a chance that the law could change? Thank you.
                                Yes I do think it is likely to stay an I would even tell you that it may even change to more rights in the future. Not in an immediate future, but in a mid-term, say 5 to 10 years, we could have more nice surprises.
                                The reason why it is not gonna change are simple. This right to residency for a foreign spouse of an indonesian citizen is born with the new Citizenship Act enacted in August 2006 (UU nomor 12 tahun 2006). The article 19of this law, as well as quite a few others, was a real revolution for mixed couples. It has opened the door for both residency and citizenship to a foreign husband of an indonesian national. This right was existing for foreign wife of indonesian national but the reverse wasn't true, which was constitutionally arguable since there was no equity before the law and the government in between indonesian men and indonesian women who were choosing a foreign spouse. Before 1998, arguing that a law was not constitutional and was instauring discrimination among indonesians was not a wise idea. Soeharto gone, things started to improve and lobbies started to ask for a needed change. It is how kids born from mixed marriage had their automatic rights to citizenship recognised and the foreign husbands of indonesiesian wives had a right to residency and possible Indonesian citizenship granted.
                                This was a huge change and if one read the term of the law, one would quickly understand that this law put Indonesia in a one way track, with hopefully no u-turn possible. It gave the trend to a lot of other laws, regulations, decrees involving foreigners in 2007, 2008 and 2009. All have followed the same track to cope with a global world.
                                No chances to go backward. Make your move without bothering about this risk. It is inexistent.

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