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  • mrcibubur
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    • Feb 2009
    • 1057

    thank you very much Atlantis, much appreciated

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    • Felix_gjf
      Member
      • Apr 2012
      • 1

      Hey, atlantis.
      I married a indonesia girl and we registered in China. Now I want to ask something about registering in Indo and visa:
      1. If we want to register in Indo, do we have to supply a prenup?
      2. I am wroking in Indoneisa now. How many years after we get married, I can work in Indo without working visa.

      Thanks in advance.

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      • divineelite
        Member
        • Aug 2011
        • 161

        Hi atlantis,
        Very useful post man. very much appreciated
        But I had a question though. I am in the process of resigning from my current company in Tangerang. I have a company sponsored KITAS which will be cancelled I guess as part of the process. I am also married legally to an Indonesian citizen. So it is possible for me to get a wife sponsored KITAS without exiting Indonesia or convert my current KITAS to a wife sponsored one? Does the KanIm make an exception in cases where a foreigner came to Indonesia as a single with a company sponsored KITAS but subsequently wants to resign from the company but continue to stay in Indonesia with his wife?
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        • ReveurGAM
          Member
          • May 2009
          • 721

          I'm in the process of converting my sponsor from a company to my wife. It is a gray area in the law and it's turning out to be quite a pain to do. Immigration delayed it for about 3 months (actually, they tried to kill it while promising to help with it) and now KanWil is making a fuss.

          If you've got the money, I'd suggest you just leave and come back in on a fresh visa sponsored by your wife, such has been recommended in this thread. It's more expensive, perhaps(!), but it's easier to do in the long run.

          I'm sure someone will chip in if there's another way of doing it other than bribery.

          Glenn
          I'm not arrogant or a know-it-all - I'm over-eager to help & not very good at writing humbly. Verify my answers!

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          • divineelite
            Member
            • Aug 2011
            • 161

            Ah good to know there is someone else trying to do the same thing! Thanks man. I was hoping it would be quicker than the normal process,irrespective of the cost. Time is of the essence for me for various reasons. But if I have to climb high bureaucratic walls & still no guarantee of a quick success then I guess the normal process is better.
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            • KanpieBatam
              Member
              • Mar 2012
              • 38

              Originally posted by Aris@Batam View Post
              Hi KanpieBatam,May I ask few questions:
              1. Is your wife (the spouse) or agent bring the recommendation letter which prepared from Batam immigration to kantor wilayah in Tanjunpinang?
              2. Did your wife interview by the Kepala KanWil at Tanjunpinang?
              3. So, the result is you got the approval from kantor wilayah and got the letter bring back to Batam immigration right?
              4. Your marriage under which religion? If non-Islam, did your registered your Buku Nikah & stamped by Catatan Sipil @ Sekupang? If Islam, did you also had registered and stamped by Dept. Agama?So you paid IDR.1.700.000 for KITAS, Photo & fingrprint? Is that including agent fee?IDR25.000 is what kind of Visa?

              Hi Aris@Batam,1. Yes, My wife brought the recommendation letter from batam immigration to kantor wilayah
              2. yes, she get interview at tanjung pinang, the result is we must register our marriage at "kantor catatan sipil" in sekupang
              3. we dont get approval and have to comeback, because beside the register of marriage, my wife also have to make new ID at our current address even her KTP still valid till 2015
              4. Islam, and we have book that registered and stamped by dept Agama.

              KITAS fee is 700,000 and finger print is idr 55,000 (not yet pay)

              We never use agent.
              Last edited by KanpieBatam; 05-04-12, 21:19.

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              • KanpieBatam
                Member
                • Mar 2012
                • 38

                Hi everyone, just wanted to share our experience so far in regards to a KITAS II. We had several issue and it's not over yet...


                1. We had to register our marriage to "kantor catatan sipil" (It is to get "SURAT KETERANGAN NIKAH" ) even we have "Buku Nikah".
                FYI when we made our KITAS I, Jakarta office didn't ask for that.
                2. According to pak "kanwil tanjung pinang" we have to get our "Buku Nikah" endorse by Canadian government, the problem is canadian government won't endorse any foreign country document and to get it registered (Insertion of an Act, Register of Civil Status), you must live in Canada not abroad.
                3. My wife have to make new ID (Change to current address) even her ID still valid till 2015 (We move house 1 year after our marriage, so my wife ID still at old address, and when we fill up the form for KITAS II we have to give our current address which is different with her ID, The officer at Kanwil said it can cause deportation if they go and check at old address and We're not there anymore, i don't know if this information is valid, anyone?)


                Just to share the procedure for marriage registration for those who married in KUA :
                a. Get "surat keterangan" from "KUA" for married registration at "kantor catatan sipil"
                b. Bring this letter to "Kantor Lurah" and get another "surat keterangan nikah from "Lurah"
                c. Copy all your document when you get married at KUA. KUA office should have the whole big bundle of all your marriage document ( For me is "Statement in lieu of certificate of Non-Impediment ", Declaration solennelle, Birth certificate, ID, ect)
                d. Make foto of you and your wife side by side the size is 4x6 (not separate, funny request from the Kantor Catatan Sipil, I had to go twice and come back)
                e. Fotocopy your wife KTP, KK, Akte Kelahiran, "Ijasah", fotocopy and "legalisir" of marriage book
                f. Fotokopi of husband passport, birth certificate.
                g. Bring all above document to "Kantor catatan sipil"

                We already complete above document today and submit to "Kantor Catatan Sipil" Sekupang and they said "If" all document "OK" will get "SURAT KETERANGAN NIKAH" by next Thursday or Friday.

                After getting that document and new ID for my wife, we have to go to immigration office in Batam (Sumatra Building). There they will give us another Surat Permohonan Perpanjangan Kitas. With those document, my wife will go for the third time to Kanwil Office in Tanjungpinang.

                We will update if we get another surprise before going to tanjungpinang.

                Any thoughts?

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                • Aris@Batam
                  Member
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 215

                  Originally posted by KanpieBatam View Post
                  Hi Aris@Batam,
                  1. Yes, My wife brought the recommendation letter from batam immigration to kantor wilayah
                  2. yes, she get interview at tanjung pinang, the result is we must register our marriage at "kantor catatan sipil" in sekupang
                  3. we dont get approval and have to comeback, because beside the register of marriage, my wife also have to make new ID at our current address even her KTP still valid till 2015
                  4. Islam, and we have book that registered and stamped by dept Agama.

                  KITAS fee is 700,000 and finger print is idr 55,000 (not yet pay)

                  We never use agent.
                  When the time we submitting the documents in Batam immigration for request conversion to ITAP. The officer are quickly check our marriage certificate is it already registered & stamp by catatan sipil.
                  BTW, our marriage certificate only stamped by dept. Agama since 4 years ago first time processing KITAS.
                  But anyways, I still short of one document need from HK "permission to marry Indonesian??". Which they ask for conversion to ITAP.
                  Since they said 5 weeks are not enough time to conversion. So we submit for extend the KITAS first and next date we went to catatan sipil register & stamp. The head of catatan sipil also confused.
                  Cause he mention only non-Islam marriage required to register there. I told him this maybe is the requirement for conversion to 5 years ITAP. Then he just ask his officer prepare, stamp and he sign it.
                  Also stamp with few more photo copies lucky we done that. The new head of Kantor Wilayah also ask for that...
                  And the lady officer also told us need the "permission to marry Indonesian" for conversion and she ask me is there are such document can be issued from my country? I think she also not sure.
                  I also don't think there is such document can be issued in HK. I will try other way, there is one so call "non-marriage record certificate" can be issued by HK immigration need 1 month to check the record.
                  It should be ready to collect by now.

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                  • Aris@Batam
                    Member
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 215

                    Originally posted by KanpieBatam View Post
                    The officer at Kanwil said it can cause deportation if they go and check at old address and We're not there anymore, i don't know if this information is valid, anyone?
                    Last year, 2 weeks after the extension of KITAS. W/O notice, they sent a officer to our house check is it I'm at home. After some chatting he took some picture of house and both of us. So, you know...

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                    • mrcibubur
                      Member
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 1057

                      i am concerned from Kanpie posting above that there may be additional requirements by KanIm and KanWil not asked for by either on the first application for Kitas such as the Surat Keterangan from Lurah, Catatan Sipil, Kua and the Certificate of Verification from the Embassy. May I say that was one reason in my mind that the Consulate would accept a legalised copy of the Buku Nikah which they did for processing a Passport for my baby Son in 2011 after his birth here.

                      I am nervous if they may ask for these documents on the first Kitas extension or are they asking for these additional documents only on the conversion from Kitas to Kitap? I have not registered Buku Nikah with Catatan Sipil because I understood Catatan Sipil and KUA are two separate government entities and so long as you are registered with one of them (the KUA in my case), then why would you need to register with Catatan Sipil?

                      Are Immigration visiting our homes only for the Kitap Conversion or for the Kitas Extension as well?

                      There might well be an additional set of steps (and cost as well) if that is indeed the case in order to be compliant with the requirements to avoid the problems Kanpie has highlighted.

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                      • Shinta
                        Member
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 920

                        Originally posted by mrcibubur View Post

                        Are Immigration visiting our homes only for the Kitap Conversion or for the Kitas Extension as well?
                        In my case it was a kitas ikut suami extension
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                        • KanpieBatam
                          Member
                          • Mar 2012
                          • 38

                          Originally posted by Aris@Batam View Post
                          Last year, 2 weeks after the extension of KITAS. W/O notice, they sent a officer to our house check is it I'm at home. After some chatting he took some picture of house and both of us. So, you know...
                          Thanks Aris, good to know we have to expect government officer to come to our house. That means we can't move house until we get the ITAP.


                          [COLOR=#333333]I am nervous if they may ask for these documents on the first Kitas extension or are they asking for these additional documents only on the conversion from Kitas to Kitap? I have not registered Buku Nikah with Catatan Sipil because I understood Catatan Sipil and KUA are two separate government entities and so long as you are registered with one of them (the KUA in my case), then why would you need to register with Catatan Sipil?[/COLOR]
                          We were wondering the same thing. The officer at Catatan Sipil was confused too until we showed him the sample of another SURAT KETERANGAN that KanWil gave us from another case of ITAS extension.

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                          • Aris@Batam
                            Member
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 215

                            Originally posted by mrcibubur View Post
                            I am nervous if they may ask for these documents on the first Kitas extension or are they asking for these additional documents only on the conversion from Kitas to Kitap? I have not registered Buku Nikah with Catatan Sipil because I understood Catatan Sipil and KUA are two separate government entities and so long as you are registered with one of them (the KUA in my case), then why would you need to register with Catatan Sipil?
                            mrcibubur, yes, registered the Buku Nikah with Catatan Sipil is important. At least for conversion to ITAP is must.

                            Originally posted by Shinta View Post
                            In my case it was a kitas ikut suami extension
                            Shinta, You also got immigration officer visited your house?

                            Originally posted by KanpieBatam View Post
                            Thanks Aris, good to know we have to expect government officer to come to our house. That means we can't move house until we get the ITAP.
                            I think moving house is okay. as long as your wife KTP also updated correctly before renew KITAS or conversion to KITAP.

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                            • mrcibubur
                              Member
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 1057

                              I am just reflecting further on the recent postings by Kanpie. You seem the only person on this Forum who has been asked for these additional documents to complete the Kitas Extension and/or Kitap. Just wondering why nobody else has flagged it up.I shall enquire of my local KUA at Gunung Putri where I married last year about the Surat Keterangan Buku Nikah to take to Catatan Sipil. Shouldnt the Surat Keterangan be obtained from Kantor Lurah first? Do you have a sample available for us all of the Surat Keterangan which you presented to the Catatan Sipil for their endorsement? What fees were paid, if any, to KUA, Lurah and Catatan Sipil for this exercise?

                              Consular Registration of marriage appears to be a catch 22. Indonesian Admin might want it to dot the I and cross the T but our Consulates wont grant it, so we are stuffed on that one.
                              Last edited by mrcibubur; 08-04-12, 21:36.

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                              • KanpieBatam
                                Member
                                • Mar 2012
                                • 38

                                Originally posted by mrcibubur View Post
                                I am just reflecting further on the recent postings by Kanpie. You seem the only person on this Forum who has been asked for these additional documents to complete the Kitas Extension and/or Kitap.

                                1) Shouldnt the Surat Keterangan be obtained from Kantor Lurah first?

                                2) Do you have a sample available for us all of the Surat Keterangan which you presented to the Catatan Sipil for their endorsement?

                                3) What fees were paid, if any, to KUA, Lurah and Catatan Sipil for this exercise?
                                Hi mrcibubur, I think I saw a post from Atlantis that said I wasn't the first to report a red flag for the procedure. Anyway, here's more details...

                                1. No, at first you have to get Surat Keterangan from KUA (image 1) and based on that letter you go to Kantor Lurah (image 2).


                                2. Yes, I have it zipped in attachment.


                                3. KUA and Kantor Lurah was IDR 100,000 and for Catatan Sipil we're still waiting the news, but according to Petugas it is between IDR 650,000 to 1,200,000.

                                IMG_5699_2.zipIMG_5696_1.zipIMG_5693_3.zip

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