KITAS sponsored by the Indonesian spouse

[Happy_mom]

Hey marcus, I'm probably going to Immigration this week to apply for the change of sponsorship of my KITAS. Can I register my marriage with Immigration then and is there any special procedure to do it? We were married in 2003 and registered it with the appropriate agencies, but not Immigration (as far as I know).

Thanks!
Glenn

Hi Glenn,

I believe you have to register your marriage to catatan sipil. Within a year after marriage. Over a year you have to pay a penalty I think . I don't know how much though sorry

Before registering, you may want to do a pisah harta statement in a notary office. If your wife purchase a property without a pisah harta statement and since she is married to a foreigner, she may not be able to sell the property in the future


(To the Immigration masters feel free to correct me if I am wrong)

[marcus]

(1) ..I believe you have to register your marriage to catatan sipil.

(2) Within a year after marriage. Over a year you have to pay a penalty I think ..

(3) Before registering, you may want to do a pisah harta statement in a notary office.

(4) If your wife purchase a property without a pisah harta statement and since she is married to a foreigner, she may not be able to sell the property in the future

(1) Different subject .

(2) Not correct . For marriage outside Indonesia , first thing is to go the the Indonesian Embassy , then , when returning to Indonesia , register at KUA or Catatan Sipil within one month .

(3) Before the marriage , not before registering .

(4) Yes , if the property is bought after the marriage .

[ReveurGAM]

I just wanted to clear up the question I asked earlier. Thanks anyways to marcus and Happy_mom!

According to Immigration, the registration of marriage at Immigration is for couples married outside of Indonesia, and doesn't apply to to people who marry in this country.

(No progress to share on getting the alih sponsor yet other than that they wanted photocopies of everything in triplicate - except where they took the original sponsorship letters, in which case only two copies plus the original. In other words, three sets of documents are to be submitted up front to Immigration, which handles the sets for KanWil and DitJenIm, plus you should make photocopies for yourself in case things get lost. I'll update when I have something conclusive.)

Glenn

[burungkecil]

After all the good info I've got from this thread it's only fair that I should contribute info about my experience while converting SosBud to Kitas.


How times have changed. I converted a SosBud to Kitas in 1998 and it was a nightmare but I have to say it was pretty easy this time around and everything was pretty much as Atlantis described at the start of this thread.


The ladies in the Kitas section of the East Jakarta Immigration office were very helpful while KanWil and KanIm also did their job efficiently. The only thing that differed from Atlantis's process was that after receiving the approval letter from KanIm my local Kanwil no longer issues a letter to be taken to my local immigration office.


Everything went well up to and including the issuance of my Kitas, but then when I went to collect my blue book in a different department at my immigration office I was asked to pay Rp50,000. Fortunately, I had a copy of the important info from this thread, including the fact that no payment is necessary. In order not to lose face the official acted as though issuing a blue book for free was a new regulation and there was a surreal moment when she borrowed my copy of the info from this thread and sent an underling off to photocopy it. Ha ha, an immigration officer using this thread as guide to the regulations.



If you live in Jakarta, the official fee for your first KIP and SKSKP is Rp25,000 and Rp5,000 respectively. The official I dealt with tried to charge me Rp170,000 but I looked up the official fee online. However, if like me you have already held a KIP they might charge you another Rp50,000 for 'penghapusan data.' Very strange! They issue your first KIP for Rp25,000 but if you've already held a KIP they claim they have to delete the old data and replace it with new data for which they charge Rp50,000. Sounds ridiculous, but when I complained I was told that the process was carried across town at the head office and that I would have to go there in person to check it out, which of course would take me hours to do. If the woman at the Cipinang office tries to charge you Rp170.000 for your KIP and SKSKP, report her. I've already warned her that if I hear of her trying to rip anyone else off I will lodge a complaint.


And finally, the SKTT. Most people have reported paying around Rp150,000 for the SKTT, but the official I spoke to produced a document listing all the fees at my kelurahan and charged me a grand total of Rp10,000.

Good luck

[peacefullia]

after roaming around here for quite some time, I think I'm still lost.
Hope somebody can help me out:

I'm an Indonesian, going back soon to Indonesia. Holding a KTP of Bandung but going to reside in Bali.
Husband's a foreigner, relocating to Bali under my sponsorship, soon after document issues are done.

• Instead of applying Sosbud Visa then convert to Kitas, Ditjen imigrasi told me that there's a visa made particularly for "family reunion" (for foreigners married to Indonesian spouses) which I can apply directly without Sosbud visa. Can anyone confirm this information?
• As a Bandung KTP holder, can I apply for the Kitas in Bali?
• I think this one was explained earlier, just need to make sure: Do we need to submit the original bank statement (in this case, it's Buku Tabungan, right?) or only the copy?
• The officer at Ditjen said I need to show the last 3 months bank statement, is it correct?
• From the time I start the application, until they send a letter to the Indonesian embassy where my husband lives, how many days do I need?

Thanks a lot....

[marcus]

(1) Instead of applying Sosbud Visa then convert to Kitas, Ditjen imigrasi told me that there's a visa made particularly for "family reunion" (for foreigners married to Indonesian spouses) which I can apply directly without Sosbud visa. Can anyone confirm this information?

(2) As a Bandung KTP holder, can I apply for the Kitas in Bali?

(3) I think this one was explained earlier, just need to make sure: Do we need to submit the original bank statement (in this case, it's Buku Tabungan, right?) or only the copy?

(4) The officer at Ditjen said I need to show the last 3 months bank statement, is it correct?

(5) From the time I start the application, until they send a letter to the Indonesian embassy where my husband lives, how many days do I need?

(1) Correct . Your husband can get the ITAS/KITAS sponsored by you directly , but to do that , somebody need to start the request at the main Jakarta's immigration office (Direktorat Jenderal Imigrasi) . Jakarta's office will send an authorization to an Indonesian Embassy of you choice , your husband go there to get a VITAS (Visa ITAS) , enter Indonesia and within 7 days , you need to continue the process at your city's Kantor Imigrasi (KanIm) .

I suggest you to choose the Sosbud Visa > ITAS/KITAS option , as it gives you time to do many things that you may need to do , like getting a new KTP , registering a foreign marriage certificate (if applicable) ,...And , although the ITAS/KITAS still need an approval from Jakarta's office , it may be done without going personally to Jakarta (doing by courier/express mail) .

(2) No . You will need to get a Bali's KTP to do that , or request the KITAS in Bandung .
Unfortunately you may get a temporary Bali's KTP and Bali's immigration may not accept it (see a case like that in this thread http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...404#post206404) .

(3) It is normally not required any bank statement . But if required , a copy of savings account (tabungan) , a copy of time deposit certificate (deposito) , ..., with a balance of around Rp5 million for the Sosbud Visa , or around Rp30 million to an ITAS/KITAS is probably enough .

(4) Not usual , but if the correct officer told you ...
Be aware that there are many immigration officers who give advices without knowing the subject . To be sure , you need to talk to the officer at the "ITAS/ITAP baru , ITAS/ITAP Perpanjangan" counter , or his/her boss .

(5) I don't know , but I suppose it takes around 10 days , if you submit all the documents correctly .
Again , better go for a Sosbud Visa first . See example below :

http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...s+Kuala+Lumpur (how to get a Sosbud)

Note : Each Embassy may require different set of documents , so check at the Embassy's website :

http://id.embassyinformation.com/?einfo

[peacefullia]

Wow, thanks so much for the reply, Marcus!

I suggest you to choose the Sosbud Visa > ITAS/KITAS option , as it gives you time to do many things that you may need to do , like getting a new KTP , registering a foreign marriage certificate (if applicable) ,...And , although the ITAS/KITAS still need an approval from Jakarta's office , it may be done without going personally to Jakarta (doing by courier/express mail) .

in term of timing advantages, yes you're right. But actually, we're being a little bit extra careful here, once he decides to stay for quite long term in my country, means he would have to resign from his current job. In the country he lives in, the right to stay is directly related to job status (you have to leave immediately when you don't have job). Now, what if the KITAS somehow got rejected? He wouldn't be able to go anywhere. Any thought regarding this, Marcus?

(2) No . You will need to get a Bali's KTP to do that , or request the KITAS in Bandung .
Unfortunately you may get a temporary Bali's KTP and Bali's immigration may not accept it (see a case like that in this thread http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...404#post206404) .

Oh darn. Seriously? I was hoping to get a better hint.. We can apply for passport anywhere, why not this one?
Errr.. is it Bali KTP means really KTP or just KTP sementara (which is very popular in Bali)?
I'll make a call on Monday to Bali immigration office....

(3) It is normally not required any bank statement . But if required , a copy of savings account (tabungan) , a copy of time deposit certificate (deposito) , ..., with a balance of around Rp5 million for the Sosbud Visa , or around Rp30 million to an ITAS/KITAS is probably enough .

Yeah, saving account, I just talked to an agency, he said yes... the copy of the last 3 months saving account book. Again I have a problem here. I have never used my Indonesian account, it's been almost zero for several years while living abroad. Now I am still outside Indonesia and will have to apply for husband's visa immediately after my arrival. What do they expect to see on my last 3 months saving account book pages? I cannot transfer my foreign currency to Rupiah in one go?

Gees.. I got itchy reading all these complicated steps. Thank god I still remember clearly I'm an Indonesian.

[marcus]

(I) ..in term of timing advantages, yes you're right. But actually, we're being a little bit extra careful here, once he decides to stay for quite long term in my country, means he would have to resign from his current job. In the country he lives in, the right to stay is directly related to job status (you have to leave immediately when you don't have job). Now, what if the KITAS somehow got rejected? He wouldn't be able to go anywhere. Any thought regarding this, Marcus?

(II) ...Errr.. is it Bali KTP means really KTP or just KTP sementara (which is very popular in Bali)?
I'll make a call on Monday to Bali immigration office....

(III) Yeah, saving account, I just talked to an agency, he said yes... the copy of the last 3 months saving account book. Again I have a problem here. I have never used my Indonesian account, it's been almost zero for several years while living abroad.

(IV) Now I am still outside Indonesia and will have to apply for husband's visa immediately after my arrival.

(V) What do they expect to see on my last 3 months saving account book pages? I cannot transfer my foreign currency to Rupiah in one go?

(I) & (IV) I continue suggesting you to get him a Sosbud Visa (single entry) first . You will have a lot of time to prepare all the required documents , and you can do it all by yourself , without any agent (who normally doesn't know all the information you can get in this Forum) .
By getting the KITAS rejected when with a Sosbud (single entry) , your husband still can continue in Indonesia by extending the Sosbud Visa , up to 180 days . KITAS may be "rejected" at the beginning due to the lack of some documents . With a Sosbud Visa , you have all the time to get this extra document , complain ,..

Lets suppose you husband get a VITAS , within 7 days you request the continuation of the ITAS/KITAS process in Bali , and the Bali's Immigration doesn't accept your temporary KTP . You will have only the 7 days to find a solution to that .
By the way , some immigration offices are requiring a document confirming the marriage certificate was registered at the foreigner's Embassy , or the foreigner's country . Did you get that already ?

And the Sosbud Visa (single entry) is a lot quicker to get than the VITAS (Visa ITAS) , and normally requires only your sponsor letter and a copy of your KTP (check at the Embassy's website) , in addition to his own documents .

(II) I wrote "you may" have that problem , but not sure .
I think it is better to check if the Catatan Sipil where you intend to live in Bali can issue you a normal KTP instead of the temporary KTP . In case only the temporary KTP is issued , then you will need to check the local immigration office too . From posters' experience , Immigration offices are not very good in answering phone calls .

(III) The agent may be wrong . Lately , there was no poster saying a bank account statement was required for ITAS/KITAS .
But in case the agent is right , a bank account in Dubai or even your husband's bank account in Dubai should be enough .

(V) If an agent cannot "solve" a simple thing like that , better look for other agent ; or even better , do the Sosbud Visa > ITAS/KITAS all by yourself , as many posters in this Forum did .

[Anglian]

Interesting Marcus, I have just done a wifes sponsored Kitas, two points. Tangerang immigration would not accept our joint Uk bank statement, so a quick rush to transfer money to the wifes Indonesian bank account,I put 30 million rp in, not enough.we had to make it 100 million rp. Also had to get the original marriage book stamped by the British embassy.but they changed their mind on that and accepted the form we had received when we first registered the marriage. This was basically an approved translation of the marriage book stamped by the embassy. I would advise anyone who hasn't registerd their marriage with thir embassy to do so.as it can take a couple of weeks or more

[peacefullia]

Interesting Marcus, I have just done a wifes sponsored Kitas, two points. Tangerang immigration would not accept our joint Uk bank statement, so a quick rush to transfer money to the wifes Indonesian bank account,I put 30 million rp in, not enough.we had to make it 100 million rp.

You successfully made my head spinning LOL.
May god forgive them!

So, did you really make it 100 mio?

[john madden]

...and yet many of us who have done it were not asked for bank account at all. Oh for some consistency!

[peacefullia]

(I) & (IV) I continue suggesting you to get him a Sosbud Visa first .

Yes, you made sense. I am following your suggestion. Thanks for making it clear, Marcus.

By the way , some immigration offices are requiring a document confirming the marriage certificate was registered at the foreigner's Embassy , or the foreigner's country . Did you get that already ?

Errr.. I got married overseas, I "stamped" the certificate at Indonesian Embassy, when I went home last time, I legalized it at Ministry of foreign affairs and dephumkam in Jakarta. I think I will only need 1 more step to go, which is registering the marriage at Catatan Sipil. Gees... looks like I missed something again here?

I got a feeling that I'd have to pull out my old journalist ID card and play a kiddish game. Phew. My beautiful country.

[peacefullia]

Oh for some consistency!

Wrong country, fella LOL

[Anglian]

You successfully made my head spinning LOL. May god forgive them! So, did you really make it 100 mio?

Only just,

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