KITAS sponsored by the Indonesian spouse

[Dr. Michael Beer]

One more question for
Atlantis just read in The Jakarta Post that there will be a change in KITAS (supposed to be for 10years) and NO requirement for EcitReEntry Permit anymore. Do you know about this or is it just a rumour? Thanks a lot

[atlantis]

One more question for
Atlantis just read in The Jakarta Post that there will be a change in KITAS (supposed to be for 10years) and NO requirement for EcitReEntry Permit anymore. Do you know about this or is it just a rumour? Thanks a lot

A rumour. Most of the proposal concerning the immigration law to be voted in the coming year won't unfortunately be included. And this for several reasons, one of which would be that it would force the DPR to work on multiple laws to accomodate the changes. In between working and being lazy, DPR have always been very clear on where go their preferences.

[beebop]

I want to know if its true that one can not extend a wife sponsored kitas more than 5 times? Im lead to beleive that on the 5th year, one has to leave indonesia. Why is this? And do we have to start the whole procedure again? Its kinda stressing me out because when i first applied, we had to show a huge sum of money in my wifes bank account which we cant do again should i have to leave. My intension is to become a citizen. it would make sense if it was for a company sponsored kitas, but a wife sponsored kitas??

[marcus]

Why you don't apply for a 5 years KITAP ?

[beebop]

Why you don't apply for a 5 years KITAP ?

I plan to do exactly that. My 2nd extension (start of 3rd kitas) is comming up in a few months. immediately after that i intend to convert it to a kitap. do i have to exit indo for the conversion? Well that will make it the 4th extension. my 5th and 'final' extension will be a kitap again. What happens after that? Will i have to leave indo? Well i intend to become a citizen within my kitap period, but i just want to know if i fully understand this thing??
I just got a new passport too. Hope they dont have some bull procedure about that.

[marcus]

... do i have to exit indo for the conversion? Well that will make it the 4th extension. my 5th and 'final' extension will be a kitap again. What happens after that?...

When the regulation states the procedure as a "conversion" , I understand doing it without leaving Indonesia , like the conversion of sosbud to KITAS .

And that 5 extensions limit , is for the KITAS . As far as we get the KITAP , I believe we need to know if the KITAP has extension limit also .

[atlantis]

I want to know if its true that one can not extend a wife sponsored kitas more than 5 times? Im lead to beleive that on the 5th year, one has to leave indonesia. Why is this? And do we have to start the whole procedure again? Its kinda stressing me out because when i first applied, we had to show a huge sum of money in my wifes bank account which we cant do again should i have to leave. My intension is to become a citizen. it would make sense if it was for a company sponsored kitas, but a wife sponsored kitas??

Take it easy Beebop. A KITAS allows 5 extensions, like a Sosbud. After 5 extensions you go back to your starting point with a new KITAS. Some people have stayed puluhan tahun on KITASes. Alternatively you can seek a KITAP... which is extendable also 5 times, as a KITAS an a sosbud.

I will write very certainly a post concerning the conversion of a KITAS to a KITAP anytime soon... at least this year. One thing is for sure, I believe that the immigration will ask to see a serious amount on a bank account before delivering a KITAP to a foreign husband. I've heard that they are talking about it at the moment. Dunno yet if it is only rumors or if they intend to implement it.

[beebop]

like a Sosbud. After 5 extensions you go back to your starting point with a new KITAS

And does it involve leaving the country? As far as i know you have to exit when the sosbud extensions are up.

One thing is for sure, I believe that the immigration will ask to see a serious amount on a bank account before delivering a KITAP to a foreign husband. I've heard that they are talking about it at the moment. Dunno yet if it is only rumors or if they intend to implement it.

Not good for me. Hell thats not good for anyone. So lets say its not implimented yet and im one of the lucky few who beat the implimentation deadline, is there any looking into bank accounts during the process? The last kitas extension i had there was no checking of bank accounts, and i want it to stay that way.

Is there anyone else in this forum who has recently converted a wife sponsored kitas into a wife sponsored kitap? Care to share the details with me?

[atlantis]

And does it involve leaving the country? As far as i know you have to exit when the sosbud extensions are up.

Same here. But I don't get what your fear is. A trip to Singapura is enough.

Not good for me. Hell thats not good for anyone. So lets say its not implimented yet and im one of the lucky few who beat the implimentation deadline, is there any looking into bank accounts during the process? The last kitas extension i had there was no checking of bank accounts, and i want it to stay that way.

Is there anyone else in this forum who has recently converted a wife sponsored kitas into a wife sponsored kitap? Care to share the details with me?

Don't expect the DitJenIm to issue a SK for a KITAP without either big money or a file that can't be argued about. A KITAP is usually "sold" by Imigrasi in between IDR 20 to IDR 50 millions. They won't let it go for the official IDR 3.000.000 unless you can beat them on every loopholes of the law.

I have helped a few friends to convert a KITAS in a KITAP and all were asked to submit proof of funds.

[beebop]

Same here. But I don't get what your fear is. A trip to Singapura is enough.

The last trip to singapore we were told to show a minimum of 100jt. I later read that requirement has increased to 500jt and this is for kitas only. If its kitap then how much? It seems nobody knows. Does one have to exit indonesia to convert a kitas to kitap? Well my fears are in getting denied a kitas / kitap because of the need to show insane amounts of money in the bank. If someone can atleast give me a ballpark figure on how much is needed, then i can make a plan. I am trying to start a family and build a home and want to know if i can actually do these things or not. Other than that i beleive i have everything thats needed. Im just not in the mood for putting my life on hold because there is a cloud of haze on the requirements.

[marcus]

Beebop , you and davobali had to show bank account statement for VITAS .
But , I , cup1981 , and jonathan wilshere (see http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...s-in-real-time...) , who got KITAS from sosbud convertion , did not have to show any bank statement .
Isn't strange ?

[atlantis]

Beebop , you and davobali had to show bank account statement for VITAS .
But , I , cup1981 , and jonathan wilshere (see http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...s-in-real-time...) , who got KITAS from sosbud convertion , did not have to show any bank statement .
Isn't strange ?

It is mainly depending on who will screen your file, where you apply and how tricky or suspicious is the guy in charge. It is part of their job to verify that an applicant has enough fund to remain in Indonesia for the length of his/her visa. It is legitimate. Some won't bother others will. We are definitively moving toward a period with more control of the foreign population and of sponsors. The successive draft of the immigration law discussed were/are all going in this trend. There will have a penal responsability for sponsors in cases where foreigners abuse their visa. Financial responsability of the sponsor will be also sought in case of financial failure of the foreigner.
However, no "amount" is stated by law. In your case for example Marcus, the fact that you may recieve a pension from abroad should be enough. In the case of Beebop, or in my case, it would be different.

[atlantis]

The last trip to singapore we were told to show a minimum of 100jt. I later read that requirement has increased to 500jt and this is for kitas only.

The common figure I've heard from acquaintances I have in the immigration were:
IDR 100.000.000 on a bank account or a proof of a monthly income would be considered more than enough for a KITAS applicant.
IDR 500.000.000 on a bank account or a proof of a monthly income would be considered more than enough for a KITAP applicant.
However, bear in mind that these figures are indicative. Appealing a decision of refusal is an alternative which is known to work.

Does one have to exit indonesia to convert a kitas to kitap?

No.

Well my fears are in getting denied a kitas / kitap because of the need to show insane amounts of money in the bank. If someone can atleast give me a ballpark figure on how much is needed, then i can make a plan. I am trying to start a family and build a home and want to know if i can actually do these things or not. Other than that i beleive i have everything thats needed. Im just not in the mood for putting my life on hold because there is a cloud of haze on the requirements.

Don't fear things before it even happen. If you can't get a KITAP, remain on a KITAS Then, as it seems to be part of your ambitions, become Indonesian. Period.

To be honest, I won't even bother about it. I consider converting my KITAS. I won't show any personal bank statement but just a surat keterangan from my banks stating that I have a minimum income of X juta per month due to interests earnt. My wife has a registered company. If necessary she will confirm that I am a proud ayah rumah tangga and that she is the breadwinner. Now if anyone in Imigrasi want to bother me, we'll have fun. I doubt however that they bother me. After spending some time in a place, your KanIm will know you.

[beebop]

If you can't get a KITAP, remain on a KITAP. Then, as it seems to be part of your ambitions, become Indonesian. Period.

I guess you mean to say if i cant get a KITAP i should remain on a KITAS and then become a citizen.
Hmmm.. Is it possible to become a citizen before having to restart the kitas cycle? Renew 5 times means 6 years rite? And its possible to become a citizen once living in indonesia for 5 uninterupted years. I suppose becomming a citizen gonna require fat bank accounts too anyway.

[travellingchez]

Can you become a citizen after having a KITAS sponsored by work after 5 years instead of being sponsored by your spouse on a KITAS?
Just asking as there is no way I'll ever be able to afford to just sit around for 5 years on a spouse sponsored KITAS.