Forum Software Migration Hiccup Thread

[Happyman]

The behaviour of the previous mods who set up another forum (where they can chat to themselves, since no-one else seems to be there) is really bad. They had clearly developed the concept and set up the competitor forum before this upgrade issue occurred. This faux outrage because there were some functionality problems for a few days is transparent. The new bulletin version here works absolutely fine, I can see no issues with it at all. In fact it is better than the last one. Funny how people can get so uptight about an internet forum.

Please reveal your previous nicks and tell us why the previous mods banned you.
Once you have made the source of your bias clear, we can have a reasonable discussion about the inaccuracies in your statement.

[fastpitch17]

The behaviour of the previous mods who set up another forum (where they can chat to themselves, since no-one else seems to be there) is really bad. They had clearly developed the concept and set up the competitor forum before this upgrade issue occurred. This faux outrage because there were some functionality problems for a few days is transparent. The new bulletin version here works absolutely fine, I can see no issues with it at all. In fact it is better than the last one. Funny how people can get so uptight about an internet forum.

Yes, reveal yourself for us with your former name. Pretty obvious since you keep saying how this is so much better then before when your join date is the past few days and you only have a small number of post. Easy to see you are but just a sorry person who got himself banned previously and the latest mods her are not capable of figuring that out.

[Mister Bule]

"Tell me your name, Demon!" You guys have been watching a lot of exorcism movies, haven't you? Or maybe detective shows.

He is not gonna confess, but don't worry, at least some of us - including me - know him well from some of his many previous incarnations. I don't know his real name, of course (and would not say it publicly if I did). I certainly could mention a few of his previous nicks here. I just call him "'muk". Bzzz ...

Assuming the admin have the same (or better) tools as before, they should be able to identify him and re-ban him easily enough.

[wm]

@fastptich

Absolutely two forums can exist without problems. We wished them well in their new endeavors !

The problems began when we saw evidence of sabotage by former mods on this forum, things that are only seen by users at an admin level. We've also received complaints via email from some members.

You're asking here ... "Why are previous mods complaining elsewhere that they are no longer able to log in" They've already expressed their discontent with this forum, so why are they even trying to login? Why should users who are trying to sabotage this Forum be allowed access?

Yes, their accounts were banned, we stated that publically. Yet we chose not to alter their handles.

I too trusted those mods until just the last two weeks showed a different side of their characters, They acted collectively, as a group, thus they were banned as a group.

[wm]

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This excellent resource has been turned into a joke just because the "owner" could not be bothered to tell the moderation team about an upgrade. All very silly.

@jim69 My take:

"This excellent resource continues to be an excellent resource, and has changed (just as it has changed numerous times for various reasons since its inception in 1998) because the mod team became unbelievably offended by lack of communication regarding a software upgrade. All very silly!"

[Happyman]

I also find this all getting very childish. What are you scared of?

Hijacking the old mods accounts, if this is the case, is very sad. Why would you do this?

This has been such a great source of information for many people, now no one knows who is posting and if these things are real or not.

This excellent resource has been turned into a joke just because the "owner" could not be bothered to tell the moderation team about an upgrade. All very silly.

Is it okay to ask why jim69 got banned? I'd hate to make the same mistake in the same way. Also, will I be subject to summary editing, should I be banned?

[scouser59]

The behaviour of the previous mods who set up another forum (where they can chat to themselves, since no-one else seems to be there) is really bad. They had clearly developed the concept and set up the competitor forum before this upgrade issue occurred. This faux outrage because there were some functionality problems for a few days is transparent. The new bulletin version here works absolutely fine, I can see no issues with it at all. In fact it is better than the last one. Funny how people can get so uptight about an internet forum.

who are you ?? , go on give us your real name ha ha show some honesty if you can ha ha

[Hadejkdo]

Eh Eh Calm down Calm down Calm down lolz

[fastpitch17]

@jim69 My take:

"This excellent resource continues to be an excellent resource, and has changed (just as it has changed numerous times for various reasons since its inception in 1998) because the mod team became unbelievably offended by lack of communication regarding a software upgrade. All very silly!"

Sorry, the silly thing or more correctly the stupid thing was to leave out of the communication stream those that worked for you and would be recieving the brunt of the correspondence in regards to any changes made. Basically, you throwing them under the bus. That was not the smartest thing to do to them or any of your members.

[nd_eric_77]

"Sabotage" is a vague umbrella term which can refer to broad range of actions. Could you please elaborate as to specific types of "sabotage" were attempted? I am not questioning your sincerity, but I also have a lot of respect for the former mods resulting from their years of contributing to the expat and friends-of-expats community in Indonesia. 

[Chilled.]

I just came back from a long break.... wow.

I would echo nd_eric_77's question.

Maybe you guys can explain a timeline of what happen of sorts? Members like me who come off and on to learn things and if possible contribute abit, learnt to love the forum's various personalities and the site as a whole. (its a good job btw)
Missing certain people's voices in threads would seriously change the tone and feel of a forum. Digitally, besides how the layout is, these things are the defining part of any given forum. (and all the previous contributions by all the members)

I understand it can sometimes be very grating when so many damm questions keep being pressed.... but people want to know and forums are a very free very transparent place, atleast as free and as transparent as the admins and mods make it.

[Schoolinfo]

I just came back from a long break.... wow.

I would echo nd_eric_77's question.

Maybe you guys can explain a timeline of what happen of sorts? Members like me who come off and on to learn things and if possible contribute abit, learnt to love the forum's various personalities and the site as a whole. (its a good job btw)
Missing certain people's voices in threads would seriously change the tone and feel of a forum. Digitally, besides how the layout is, these things are the defining part of any given forum. (and all the previous contributions by all the members)

I understand it can sometimes be very grating when so many damm questions keep being pressed.... but people want to know and forums are a very free very transparent place, atleast as free and as transparent as the admins and mods make it.

Well depending on who you ask:
1) the existing mods/oldtime users had a massive hissy fit because they couldn't write posts for a few days while the upgrade was taking place, so flounced off in a huff
2) there had been a plan for a while to set up a rival forum and this technical hiccup provided a good excuse.

Anyway what's done is done. On a positive note, it seems no-one has been banned on either forum since this happened, so perhaps it's a victory for free speech?

[Chilled.]

Well depending on who you ask:
1) the existing mods/oldtime users had a massive hissy fit because they couldn't write posts for a few days while the upgrade was taking place, so flounced off in a huff
2) there had been a plan for a while to set up a rival forum and this technical hiccup provided a good excuse.

Anyway what's done is done. On a positive note, it seems no-one has been banned on either forum since this happened, so perhaps it's a victory for free speech?

Thanks for some clarification but please dont dismiss my query if it is not fully answered.

A hissy fit does not sound like a sabotage on an admin-only level.

number two is quite enlightening... I didnt know there was a reason to even consider a second forum for any reason thus far...

...also you only have 4 posts and just joined. I have to admit I do not take your post as seriously as I would take someone else more senior about this matter which probably started since before you joined, hope you understand bro. Also welcome.

[scouser59]

Well depending on who you ask:
1) the existing mods/oldtime users had a massive hissy fit because they couldn't write posts for a few days while the upgrade was taking place, so flounced off in a huff
2) there had been a plan for a while to set up a rival forum and this technical hiccup provided a good excuse.

Anyway what's done is done. On a positive note, it seems no-one has been banned on either forum since this happened, so perhaps it's a victory for free speech?

do I smell some bitterness , where you banned b4 and changed your name ??? iv noticed your vitriolic posts and only 4 , strange