Just booked wedding-notice in London with only a tourist visa! Without Problem! New?

[martindo]

Well, you can also try saying "Tidak punya" when asked for a translation. AFAIK, Imig laws do not specify that all documents must be in Indonesian. If someone asks for it because it is easier for him/her and/or an excuse for money, that doesn't mean it's a regulation or other stumbling block.

I've been in JATENG over 20 years and have never provided a translation for a personal document. Best I can recall, was never even asked.

[bad_azz]

& I have been asked for the Thai, English & Indonesian translations every time I have processed a KITAS/ registered with Catatan Sipil & its not been anything to do with asking for money.
So, there are no guarantees either way.

[Donting101]

Glad to hear you have thoroughly researched it all ...
Just one minor point that I forgot to mention...
You will have to have a sworn translation done of your certificates for registration in Indonesia (should you return here), but get that done in Indonesia as its cheaper.

Thanks BA.

Can you please help confirm a few details for when we get back?

- After the marriage certificate is issued she will lodge the certificate with the indonesian embassy and they will stamp it with something and return it to her..
- When we return to Indonesia a few days after we have to take it to the British Embassy to be legalised ? (how long does this take? do we have to book in advance?)
- When it is legalised we can take it to the civil registry office in Jakarta for lodging for their records that we are married ? (again do we need an appointment, and how long does it take?)
then thats it, the end? until we apply for spouse visa for the UK that is

probably for another thread - but she wants to change her birth certificate and passport name (with subsequent ID and drivers licence change) to my sirname before we go travelling. is there a step by step guide somewhere for this? there are lots of websites in bahasa and she seems ok with the process but i'd rather know myself for peace of mind, and they do not indicate time scales

I married an Indonesian in Thailand & it was a bit more complex than what seems to be the case in the UK.
The Indonesian embassy there refused to issue the freedom to marry document without having written permission from my husband's parents
In fact all of the hurdles we encountered were rooted in the Indonesian Embassy, it became the bane of our life for almost a fortnight.

Best wishes for the upcoming nuptials

Sounds like a nightmare - although that was my original plan! (to marry in BKK, to avoid indonesian bureaucracy and avoid conversion to another religion). She wouldn't have it though. choice was JKT or london

Thank you very much indeed

[bad_azz]

Thanks BA.

Can you please help confirm a few details for when we get back?

- After the marriage certificate is issued she will lodge the certificate with the indonesian embassy and they will stamp it with something and return it to her..
- When we return to Indonesia a few days after we have to take it to the British Embassy to be legalised ? (how long does this take? do we have to book in advance?)
- When it is legalised we can take it to the civil registry office in Jakarta for lodging for their records that we are married ? (again do we need an appointment, and how long does it take?)
then thats it, the end? until we apply for spouse visa for the UK that is

probably for another thread - but she wants to change her birth certificate and passport name (with subsequent ID and drivers licence change) to my sirname before we go travelling. is there a step by step guide somewhere for this? there are lots of websites in bahasa and she seems ok with the process but i'd rather know myself for peace of mind, and they do not indicate time scales










Sounds like a nightmare - although that was my original plan! (to marry in BKK, to avoid indonesian bureaucracy and avoid conversion to another religion). She wouldn't have it though. choice was JKT or london

Thank you very much indeed

1 yes, take it to the Indonesian Embassy and they will stamp it, and return it, I think in BKK its an overnight job, or 2 days - I forget & its very early morning, so am too lazy to investigate ...sorry.
2 I dunno, all our documents & translations were legalised in BKK at the ministry of foreign affairs- don't know what UK way of doing it is, maybe has to be done in UK...double check this if you aren't already sure.
3 Catatan Sipil- civil registry office must be the one that is tied to her KTP ... and they all seem to have their own sets of rules, but the one rule is that this must be registered within 30 days of entry to Indonesia - as far as I can remember. As for how long it takes, well they like their palms greasing, don't get into this if you can possibly avoid it... it stick in my throat that the only time I have been stung for a fairly big bribe in Indonesia is when I let the hubby go to do some Catatan Sipil documents and they had him hand over 800,000IR... (and I nearly killed him for being daft enough to fall for it!! lol)

Re name change: no idea.
I never changed my name; mainly cos I don't need a man's name to confirm my identity, and secondly far too much unnecessary hassle... and its not really an Indonesian thing anyway (I accept that it might be on some islands, but usually, as far as I know, if you add the man's name it implies you are his daughter).

& for the record, I am the Brit, hubby is the Indonesian.

[KedaiKopi]

probably for another thread - but she wants to change her birth certificate and passport name (with subsequent ID and drivers licence change) to my sirname before we go travelling. is there a step by step guide somewhere for this? there are lots of websites in bahasa and she seems ok with the process but i'd rather know myself for peace of mind, and they do not indicate time scales

Changing name is pain on the neck, long process in the court and cost a lot of money in Indonesia
- Spouse family name can be added on 'Endorsement/Catatan Pengesahan' page in her passport. While register you marriage certificate in Indonesian Embassy London, you may also ask them to add your name on her passport.
- Local ID, go to RT/RW and can renew with name and marital status

[KedaiKopi]

Just read UKVI website here https://www.gov.uk/general-visit-visa in case you didnt notice on 'What you can and cant do" with Tourist visa:

What you can and can’t do

You can study for up to 30 days, as long as it’s not the main reason for your visit.
You can’t:

• take paid or unpaid work
• live in the UK for long periods of time through frequent visits
• marry or register a civil partnership, or give notice of marriage or civil partnership
• get private medical treatment
• get public funds

Looking at this, my only concern is when you apply the settlement visa later this year, hope it doesnt cause a problem.

[Donting101]

We'll have to see. They can't refuse us down the road because of that

the point no. 2 is often broken, as it's the only way some couples can be together prior to getting married. Long distance relationship due to change of circumstances etc

[Donting101]

I know it is not the culture to change name in indonesia but we don't live in Indonesia. For living in the UK it really is beneficial to change name for various reasons, makes things easier. She wants to change it anyway so

Changing name is pain on the neck, long process in the court and cost a lot of money in Indonesia
- Spouse family name can be added on 'Endorsement/Catatan Pengesahan' page in her passport. While register you marriage certificate in Indonesian Embassy London, you may also ask them to add your name on her passport.
- Local ID, go to RT/RW and can renew with name and marital status

Does it really have to go to court to change ones name? how much money are we talking?

[bad_azz]

I just tagged a hyphen on mine with hubby's on the end... not on any documents, but does that bit really matter for day to day things?

[Donting101]

To update. We married a week ago in London, no issues at all. We took the marriage certificate to the Indonesian Embassy in London and they made a stamp in her passport which states that I am her legal husband. They did it right then and there, no wait. They also did not need the certificate to be 'legalised' by UK.GOV as per the Indo embassy website to recognise it as legal, as we did not do that. It was also free

We spoke to the embassy staff about our experience, and they said that lots of 'Indonesian Celebrities' and 'Rich people' have done the exact same as us for mixed religion (indonesian/indonesian) and they 'do them all the time' (stamp in the passport as legally married in the UK). Interesting as i've never read about this before, but that was from the horses mouth. All i can think of is if an indonesian stays at a hotel for 10 days, has a document delivered to it, and uses that as a proof of address, apply for notice of marriage, and come back some time within 12 months for a formal marriage. That is my speculation but the embassy staff said 'They use agency'..

we arrived in Jakarta today and this week will take a translated copy of the wedding cert to civil registry office to complete the process

we are going travelling for 6 months around asia, and looks like i've got a job opportunity for us in the Philippines which should last a few years. She will apply to change her name once we're done travelling. And depending on how long we stay in the Philippines we will apply for settlement in the UK in the distant future (or when she gets pregnant!)

[jimmi james]

Congratulations

[Donting101]

Thanks mate

[Donting101]

To confirm, my wife got her spouse visa last week, approved. and took 6 weeks from submission of the documents.

So it proves that you can get married in the UK on a tourist visa, if you can wangle it (with proof of address) and still get an approved spouse visa when you return to indonesia. in our case, well over a year later!

[Anglian]

Nice one, good luck to both of you

[Puspawarna]

Yay! It's always nice to hear an update, especially when it's a happy story.