American-Indonesian Marriage : Legally registered vs Getting Married Abroad

[afruna81]

Hi everyone,

It's my first day joining the forum and I have a lot of things to ask in here as I'm about to get married with my American fiance that i have been engaged for more than a year.
I know that to be able to get married in Indonesia legally, both me n my fiance have to be married under one religion, which in our case, that means he needs to "convert" to Islam and so then we can have our marriage registered in KUA. But then, after googling and asking some people about the process to legally married in KUA, i felt overwhelmed of how much details we need to go thru. Can anyone in this forum help us out and give us a little enlightenment on this issue :
1. How long will it take for an American citizen to get the LNI from the embassy, and is it possible for him to obtain it outside Indonesia?
2. Has anyone got the latest update on RUU Hukum Materiil Peradilan Agama whether it has been issued or not (this is a ridiculous law draft that will oblige expats to deposit Rp 500 juta before they marry moslem Indonesian woman) ?
3. Does anyone know any person or law firm that can help us in administrative legal marriage things?
4. If it's so much an overkill to get married in here , we might think of getting married abroad, how is the process to get married in Singapore, anyone been in the process?
5. For some internal company issues, my fiance's KITAS is still over the air somewhere, so we are thinking to get him a KITAS after we got married, will it cause any impediment for him to get a KITAS if we got married in Singapore?

I'm sorry for such long questions, really hope some bit of infos in (if it's not all, then maybe to some of) my questions.
Thank you so much and have a great weekend!

xx
NF

[Hombre de Maiz]

1.) An American citizen can get the LNI from the U.S. Embassy on the spot, the same day. The person, however, needs to apply for an appointment on-line.
2.) Nothing of the sort is in effect.
3.) You should not need a lawyer for any of this.

[afruna81]

Cool. Thanks for the info, Hombre.

[waarmstrong]

I am sure you have run across this if you have been reviewing mixed marriage threads on the Forum, but if not, you would be well served to get a prenuptial agreement prepared before the marriage. For that a lawyer/notaris would likely be helpful.

Welcome to the Forum.

[afruna81]

Been scanning through similar threads in the forum, found lots of useful stuff. Still not found any that discuss about getting married abroad then legalize it in here, though. Probably i need to spend more time reading all threads.

Thanks for the welcome greet, waarmstrong. This forum comes very handy for us.

[Hombre de Maiz]

Search under forum username BadAss. She posted a thread about getting hitched in Bangkok.

[marcus]

1. How long will it take for an American citizen to get the LNI from the embassy, and is it possible for him to obtain it outside Indonesia?

2. Has anyone got the latest update on RUU Hukum Materiil Peradilan Agama whether it has been issued or not (this is a ridiculous law draft that will oblige expats to deposit Rp 500 juta before they marry moslem Indonesian woman) ?

3. Does anyone know any person or law firm that can help us in administrative legal marriage things?

4. If it's so much an overkill to get married in here , we might think of getting married abroad, how is the process to get married in Singapore, anyone been in the process?

5. For some internal company issues, my fiance's KITAS is still over the air somewhere, so we are thinking to get him a KITAS after we got married, will it cause any impediment for him to get a KITAS if we got married in Singapore?

1. I don't know how long .
Instead of the LNI from the Embassy , I believe it is possible to bring an equivalent document from USA [I my case , I brought from my country (but not USA) a notarized statement with 2 witnesses] .

2. As far as I know from this Forum , no such rule was officially issued .

3. I don't know any .
It is not necessary but If you want to get some help , I would recommend someone from the KUA . In our case , a KUA officer helped us a little .

http://www.expat.or.id/info/gettingmarriedinindonesia.html

http://www.expat.or.id/info/mixmarriages.html

http://www.expat.or.id/info/familylaw.html

http://www.expat.or.id/info/marriagelegalimplications.html

http://www.expat.or.id/info/prenuptialagreement.html

http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...665#post127665 (how to marry at KUA)

http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...ghlight=notary (prenup price Rp500k to Rp1500k)

http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...ghlight=prenup (Atlantis' post no.24 , court register of the prenup)

4. My marriage at KUA was easy and cheap .

http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...nt-religion%29 (marry in Singapore , how)

http://indonesian-mixed-marriages.bl...and-costs.html (marry in Singapore , how)

5. Regarding the KITAS sponsored by Indonesian spouse , it doesn't matter where you marry . But if you marry abroad , you will need to register the marriage certificate at the Indonesian Embassy in the country you marry , then later , register the marriage certificate at Kantor Catatan Sipil of your city .

[waarmstrong]

Yes, I believe Marcus is correct as usual on point one regarding the proof of no impediment to marriage. It should be no problem to have a notarized affidavit prepared Stateside.

[marcus]

Search under forum username BadAss. She posted a thread about getting hitched in Bangkok.

I believe you are referring to bad_azz .

[afruna81]

Search under forum username BadAss. She posted a thread about getting hitched in Bangkok.

ok. just jumped in the search and wow... hundreds of posts i found. Will keep working on finding that particular one among the posts. Thanks, Hombre

[afruna81]

1. I don't know how long .
Instead of the LNI from the Embassy , I believe it is possible to bring an equivalent document from USA [I my case , I brought from my country (but not USA) a notarized statement with 2 witnesses] .

2. As far as I know from this Forum , no such rule was officially issued .

3. I don't know any .
It is not necessary but If you want to get some help , I would recommend someone from the KUA . In our case , a KUA officer helped us a little .

http://www.expat.or.id/info/gettingmarriedinindonesia.html

http://www.expat.or.id/info/mixmarriages.html

http://www.expat.or.id/info/familylaw.html

http://www.expat.or.id/info/marriagelegalimplications.html

http://www.expat.or.id/info/prenuptialagreement.html

http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/12678-ask-help-me!-Marry-a-german-citizen?p=127665#post127665 (how to marry at KUA)

http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...ghlight=notary (prenup price Rp500k to Rp1500k)

http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...ghlight=prenup (Atlantis' post no.24 , court register of the prenup)

4. My marriage at KUA was easy and cheap .

http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...nt-religion%29 (marry in Singapore , how)

http://indonesian-mixed-marriages.bl...and-costs.html (marry in Singapore , how)

5. Regarding the KITAS sponsored by Indonesian spouse , it doesn't matter where you marry . But if you marry abroad , you will need to register the marriage certificate at the Indonesian Embassy in the country you marry , then later , register the marriage certificate at Kantor Catatan Sipil of your city .

Thank you Marcus, these are really helpful!!
I feel like making my other thesis now, gathering data and evidence based info for the mixed marriage. Better be very prepared since the beginning, right?
Terima kasih banyak..

[marcus]

ok. just jumped in the search and wow... hundreds of posts i found. Will keep working on finding that particular one among the posts. Thanks, Hombre

Here it is :
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...y-and-religion (marrying in Bangkok)

[afruna81]

Here it is :
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...y-and-religion (marrying in Bangkok)

wow, you're an angel, Marcus!!

[waarmstrong]

Helpful, definitely yes; angelic perhaps not.

[Hombre de Maiz]

Yes, I believe Marcus is correct as usual on point one regarding the proof of no impediment to marriage. It should be no problem to have a notarized affidavit prepared Stateside.

Whether it will be accepted is another matter. Indonesian authorities will probably want to see a picture of Uncle Sam with a caption on the bottom "You are approved to marry!". The reality is that the U.S. government does not issue such a document because the U.S. government cannot and does not prohibit marriage, and therefore it does not issue such as a thing as a LNI.