Small survey: Idea of a project
Hello! I'm 40, from Sweden and I intend to visit Indonesia and Jakarta in December 17, 2012.
While reading about your country, I realized there is much pollution.
Also, to travel I have to take some really expensive vaccination injection.
I'm an entrepreneur and I came up with this idea how to solve, if not all, but many of these problems.
But before I go into action, I would like to see how you, the inhabitants, look at these things.
I will also do some more research while on location.
I don't know where to start, but I ask some questions and if possible, just take the time to write a short answer.
1. If there are two restaurants and one has a quality sign, do you consider this restaurant for a choice? Price for food is same, quality means here a mark that means the staff has some kind of level of hygiene. (Wash hands after toilet, warm water in kitchen + sink + soap + paper napkins. Etc.)
2. Are people at all any interested in environmental questions where you live? Your family, your friends, your neighbours? Anyone interested at all?
3. Do you believe the lack of environmental care and the high rate of pollution can be changed? Even the smallest kind you can ever possible think of?
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Allright...
I don't know what to ask, but I must do some kind of research before coding!! It's an interesting long-term project unlike any other as I have seen or heard of. I've read many threads in this forum and I've already found some persons that might be interested in this! However, some background check is also important...
Thank you!!
1. If there are two restaurants and one has a quality sign it means nothing. Having four walls, tables and chairs, a staff, and is clean seems a better bet then an outside open stall dusty option.
2. The government says they are. Just hard to find that interest.
3. Yes, very much so and with big impacts with small investments. Then again, that would take a responsible government making decisions to spend money on something other then themselves.
1. In Indonesia I would consider the possibility that the restaurant ownner either i.) purchased a counterfeit sign or ii.) paid off the officials to get the sign.
2. I don't think people know or care that Indonesia has one of the highest deforestation rates on the planet. Most everywhere people don't give a second thought to throwing stuff (from human waste to industrial waste) into the rivers.
3. Yes, but it requires something that Indonesia has been chronically unable or unwilling to do: reduce corruption significantly, and create an efficient and effect administration of justice and law enforcement apparatus.
Why? There are no mandatory vaccinations. Also, many are already covered by 'standard' cocktails/mixes you get in the western countries.Originally Posted by Jakob
So you mean the A / B / C etc. system you see on the windows of the eateries in the US? Have you ever been in Indonesia? Do you know what a Warteg is? And a Kaki Lima? If not, google them and then you'll understand why there is not a lot of attention for this (mainly hygienic) quotation. Perhaps in the ex-pat community there would be but that's a very small minority (this is NOT Singapore or Hong Kong). Also, enforcement is a huge issue in RI (there are many rules and laws already).1. If there are two restaurants and one has a quality sign, do you consider this restaurant for a choice? Price for food is same, quality means here a mark that means the staff has some kind of level of hygiene. (Wash hands after toilet, warm water in kitchen + sink + soap + paper napkins. Etc.)
No.2. Are people at all any interested in environmental questions where you live? Your family, your friends, your neighbours? Anyone interested at all?
In twenty years when the standard of living has gone up, when there are no more non-renewable resources, when there is better public transportation and perhaps by forcing of international treaties.3. Do you believe the lack of environmental care and the high rate of pollution can be changed? Even the smallest kind you can ever possible think of?
Right. The problem here is not so much the lack of laws, but rather that they are ignored, subverted, circumvented or selectively enforced.
1. Yes .
2. I am very interested , but nobody else near me .
3. Sure it can be changed .
The change must come from the government .
1. If there are two restaurants and one has a quality sign, do you consider this restaurant for a choice? Price for food is same, quality means here a mark that means the staff has some kind of level of hygiene. (Wash hands after toilet, warm water in kitchen + sink + soap + paper napkins. Etc.)
I would eat in the busiest one... less likely to get the shits.
2 as for this and 3 we do our bit... but its not enough.
I think you are solving a problem that doesn't exist if it involves expensive vaccinations...
What vaccine?
Nakal but nice
My opinions are permitted to change at any point- and will do so, frequently!
Thank you very much for your input! Very much appreciated!!
In my attempt to write short, I also guided you into some misunderstandings. It's all my fault!! Excuse me!!
I have never been to Indonesia, but as I wrote, I will go in December, in 6 weeks. I shall visit the island Tidung. I read some about your country and I read that the Java bay is so much polluted and it feels so sad...
So, I came up with this idea and I wanted to do some research before I go. I almost decided to stop here, because I thought the world is not ready for such change... (Not now, maybe in 10 years or so.)
I understand there is much corruption as well, and my point would be to take care of that as well. In this thread, you write that the government is sort of lazy... And that's defiantly wrong and something that can be changed. Media can make big impact!!
After reading these posts, I think there can be an opportunity, after all!! I just have to describe all more clear...
To be more clear: This project, it's not *my* ideas! It will be the participants ideas, I just make the ... concept, so to speak. It will work in any country...
hey Jacob , welcome then ....
am very interested to see what's the final answer about the certification of food/resto you were talking about. 1
1. i am also concern about the level of cleanliness in a resto. ( in fact i work in a company that deal with such things) ..so far what i can see, to get the certification tag, it will require a quite big money, and those money should be amortized to the cost of the food.that will increase the price of the food.
like, to get the Halal certification, each restorant has to pay quite a big money periodically. ( if am not mistaken it's periodically.. yearly ?? cant recall)
it would be considered by some people with higher income and level of education. some fast food chain resto might interested in getting that. - can we also discuss about this too?
2. i live in a complex that also try to preserve the environment....
3. sure .... i believe that our action could help the world in many ways.
dont judge a book by its movie.
First things first. Visit the place.
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