This I learned the hard way the first time I was in Mexico! HAHAHA!!Originally Posted by Hombre de Maiz
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That does help a lot. I sort of understand now. But waktu itu is still an issue. Say, for example, if I had gone to the market 3 days ago with wifey & met someone & mentioned that today. If I say "kamu ingat waktu itu kita bertemu bu Tiyem waktu kita pergi ke pasar?" that would be acceptable right?
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Haha there are so many people even who use 'pasti' but they never follow through. The latest trend is to say "Siap" whenever you ask them to do something...but yet, still the same...no action.
Yeah, that's acceptable. Although the 'event' here is just a trip to the market/meeting someone, you can use waktu itu to refer to it because it's already completed. However, although it’s ‘acceptable’, there are better ways to structure a question like this.
Waktu itu is a great way to start a question if you and the person you are talking to both know what time/place is being referred to. It is especially common to use waktu itu at the start of questions addressed to somebody who is narrating their life story/an incident from their past/talking about “back in the day”. I used to use it a lot to ask open-ended questions during interviews (i.e. waktu itu how did you feel/what was it like etc.). For example, if your missus had been talking about the ups and downs of her former career as a dolphin trainer, you could definitely ask something like “waktu itu jadi dolphin trainer itu kayak apa sih sebenarnya?” However, if you were just sitting at home watching Indosiar and decided to ask “waktu itu jadi dolphin trainer itu kayak apa sih sebenarnya?”, she might be a little confused. Flattered that you want to know more about her past, but nonetheless confused
This is why your question sounds a little unnatural – not really wrong, just slightly “off”. In your question, you have to explain what waktu itu is actually referring to (the trip to the market). If you want to ask something OOT in Indonesian, it is more natural and common to say something like "(kamu) inget ngga waktu kita ke pasar dan ketemu ama bu Tiyem?" or "inget ngga ama bu Tiyem yang kita ketemu di pasar waktu itu?" or even "pas lagi di pasar, kita ketemu ama bu Tiyem... inget ngga?"
If you are still determined to use waktu itu to start your question, you could say something like "kamu ingat ngga waktu itu di pasar kita ketemu sama bu Tiyem?" This is an improvement because waktu itu is followed by the description of what waktu itu is actually referring to. But it is still not the most natural choice.
Last pointwaktu itu sometimes pops up in questions as a “stalling device”, e.g. somebody has started to ask a question then forgotten what they wanted to ask. Example “kamu inget ngga sih sama si ibu itu yang… yang kita ketemu… waktu kita… ee… waktu itu tuh, pas lagi nyari baju di.. ee apa sih namanya…. aduh gue lupa…. di … di pasar!!” I should probably stop typing now, this is already another monster response, hopefully useful.
reasons or results people...
its a slank means "wait" in a harsh way. people tend to say this in loud voice to make the other person stop demanding
Yes, I always feel weird as if I'm suddenly in a military institution every time I ask my staffs to do something and they answered me with Siap Bu ...
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Interesting. Gotta remember that lol
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monster response is fineYeah, that's acceptable. Although the 'event' here is just a trip to the market/meeting someone, you can use waktu itu to refer to it because it's already completed. However, although it’s ‘acceptable’, there are better ways to structure a question like this.
Waktu itu is a great way to start a question if you and the person you are talking to both know what time/place is being referred to. It is especially common to use waktu itu at the start of questions addressed to somebody who is narrating their life story/an incident from their past/talking about “back in the day”. I used to use it a lot to ask open-ended questions during interviews (i.e. waktu itu how did you feel/what was it like etc.). For example, if your missus had been talking about the ups and downs of her former career as a dolphin trainer, you could definitely ask something like “waktu itu jadi dolphin trainer itu kayak apa sih sebenarnya?” However, if you were just sitting at home watching Indosiar and decided to ask “waktu itu jadi dolphin trainer itu kayak apa sih sebenarnya?”, she might be a little confused. Flattered that you want to know more about her past, but nonetheless confused
This is why your question sounds a little unnatural – not really wrong, just slightly “off”. In your question, you have to explain what waktu itu is actually referring to (the trip to the market). If you want to ask something OOT in Indonesian, it is more natural and common to say something like "(kamu) inget ngga waktu kita ke pasar dan ketemu ama bu Tiyem?" or "inget ngga ama bu Tiyem yang kita ketemu di pasar waktu itu?" or even "pas lagi di pasar, kita ketemu ama bu Tiyem... inget ngga?"
If you are still determined to use waktu itu to start your question, you could say something like "kamu ingat ngga waktu itu di pasar kita ketemu sama bu Tiyem?" This is an improvement because waktu itu is followed by the description of what waktu itu is actually referring to. But it is still not the most natural choice.
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Your example for using it as a stalling device was awesome btw!
I'm still kinda more comfortable with our 16 tenses lol. I guess I need some time to get used to the language, without sounding unintentionally gaul or something :P
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