Petite

[pimawola]

need "like button" over here hahaha

[dipo_jkt]

I have to say, now, all oil and gas company (incl. state oil company as well as other company) want to get tbe best resources as their asset and to protect their asset - this inc. to develop fresh graduate and offering scholarship programme.
There's thousands of fresh graduates in the streets who believe they are the best and most competent; unfortunately the seats are limited. A filtration system shall be developed - may be slightly different between each company but the objective is same. Of course nothing 100% perfect, there's few case what you say might happen. But, if you fail in all your interview, I believe you have to look yourself, and change the strategy.

It's a challenge you have to change into an opportunity.

This's exactly I said to my younger daughter, 13 years old, petite girl, 145 cm, had to play against 17 years old, 175 cm of russian player in ITF jr. (18 and under) tournament. She lose easily 6-0, 6-3 but she promise to herself to work hard and harder. Now, she is flying for another ITF tournament thousand km away.

No, I think I did not fail in all of my interview , for the first and second time, yap I think so, but I learned. I had good interviews then and has been hired right now.

I had an experience, when I followed up my interview, he said that I did not match for the company criteria because of I'm a fresh graduate, the top management did not believe to the fresh graduate, but gotcha, he had hired a fresh graduate (my friend in that company told me that), you know why? because of he was a "titipan" from the employee who has authority, it was like nepotism. My friend told me that I'm more excellent than him.

But only several company do that, depends on the users..
I never feel bad afterwards, I just don't understand why people becomes like that
I just move on, and show to them that I'm good too even more

You know, this act only raise hatred among of almameter
this condition will be long lasting from generation to generation.

[Howie]

hmmm I agree with Maria, it all depends on what line of work you are applying for. If you are applying for a flight attendant position NO DOUBT that height will be one of the requirements. Not because its a plus to your appearance, but mainly because of the reason msnaughty has mentioned above. I'm also very petite, 155 CM = 5 feet. So far my height has not been a deterrent in my career at all!!

I have taken a peek in the indonesian job market and so far I havent been too happy with some of the requirements. I may have spent too much time overseas, but seriously what the heck is one's physical appearance and age have to do with work ethic and productivity?? I have heard job contracts that would not allow their workers to marry within the first two or three years???! WTF??

Sari, After reading your posts and seeing your presentation, I have absolutely no doubts in your intellegence, work ethic, and overall abilities. But in viewing your profile, I think the 'pretty' side of your equation may have had some play in your success.

The desire would be to have qualifications and results be the only determinants in success and promotion. The fact is we all work with people and looks matter. Whether the job posting asks for height, gender, or appearance standards or not doesn't take away the human nature side of the whole picture.

In any case, congratulations on making some obviously great decisions and being well on your way to a very successful career.

[pimawola]

I had an experience, when I followed up my interview, he said that I did not match for the company criteria because of I'm a fresh graduate, the top management did not believe to the fresh graduate, but gotcha, he had hired a fresh graduate (my friend in that company told me that), you know why? because of he was a "titipan" from the employee who has authority, it was like nepotism.

Agree! this reminds me to my experience. had applied as a teacher to "X" university. the X university helps us to find school abroad. that was so attempted since we will be paid such a big money. so many of my friends applied too.

There was written test, interview and micro teaching. not surprising if even they didn't give me a chance just for the written test. the list of those who be interviewed were almamater. i was so upset knowing this kind of dirty thing still on. God!

the other s*cks thing was there was a guy who accepted just because he is a relative of one of the lectures over there. hmmmmm (where is crying icon over here?) hahaha...

[misano]

the other s*cks thing was there was a guy who accepted just because he is a relative of one of the lectures over there. hmmmmm (where is crying icon over here?) hahaha...

it's never happend to me but if I did, I'll think tht the job isnt my destiny to make me calm lol...

[Missnaughty]

Finding a job is never easy. But always remember that employer most likely to hire people that they 'know'. It is safer for them. The 'knowing' can come from almamater, reference, or achievement of the applicants.

If you were an outstanding student of a university, then the employer kind of knowing you by the reference of your university, lecturer and what is on your paper. But how many of us really have this kind of reputation?

Then as a fresh graduate how can we make this relation with our future employer?

I can only say from my experience. With only a degree from Indonesian University (most people where I lived don't even know where Indonesia is) I went to US trying my luck.

Not knowing anyone, no reference, with limited English, the word not only hard.. Almost impossible. But what I did, I joined youth organizations as a volunteer, making my connection and relationship. Joined courses that in line with my subject, in order to build my connection as well. Within a year I landed a job as a tax preparer, and 3 months later hired by a CPA office for their fulltime employee. Do you know how many application letter I sent? None. Only for those companies I worked above. I made them know me first.

My partner then, same position with me. He is also a foreigner in US. Sent his resume to bunch of companies, never got any reply. Then he change his approach. He started collecting name card. Calling them, introduce himself, made himself known. Meeting this professionals, asking for advice, and like a
snowball.... One person introduced him to another and another... Then he got a job... And all because of connection and someone that 'know' you..

This is where the word 'attractive' play their role.. It doesn't mean you need to look like Jen Anniston or
Brad Pit (Naaa.... No like Angelina Jolie) but you need to keeping up your appearance to attract people...

Must erase those negative thoughts, like I don't get hired because I am brown, or petite, or nepotism or whatever.. No, It is simply you don't get hired because they don't know you.

[Sari.D]

Sari, After reading your posts and seeing your presentation, I have absolutely no doubts in your intellegence, work ethic, and overall abilities. But in viewing your profile, I think the 'pretty' side of your equation may have had some play in your success.

The desire would be to have qualifications and results be the only determinants in success and promotion. The fact is we all work with people and looks matter. Whether the job posting asks for height, gender, or appearance standards or not doesn't take away the human nature side of the whole picture.

In any case, congratulations on making some obviously great decisions and being well on your way to a very successful career.

Awww this is super nice to read coming home from a hard day at work! THANK YOU! Naww where I am now is populated with people from around the world, so even if my look has remotely taken a small percentage of my success, I highly doubt it was even 1/100. TRUST ME, if you have the chance of visiting, you would understand what I mean. They've got model like looking ladies and gents all over the island. On top of its valuable currency - no income tax to boot! And the beautiful beaches where all these beautiful creatures can roam around in their bikinis and shorts!!!!! OH no where else in the world! lol OH YA the native caymanians are all MULATTOS. If you don't know what a mulatto look like, imagine Jessica Alba, Alicia Keys, Halley Berry etc lookalike. But nevertheless, thank you

Moving to Indonesia may not be too far of a predicament for me - I can only hope that work ethic and qualifications do matter there!!!

[dipo_jkt]

Finding a job is never easy. But always remember that employer most likely to hire people that they 'know'. It is safer for them. The 'knowing' can come from almamater, reference, or achievement of the applicants.

If you were an outstanding student of a university, then the employer kind of knowing you by the reference of your university, lecturer and what is on your paper. But how many of us really have this kind of reputation?

Then as a fresh graduate how can we make this relation with our future employer?

yaa, I understand that, networking is a must
but, when you have moved to the interview phase, the question is, what is interview for?
from wikipedia: is to check a candidate's technical relevance against the job and whether they meet minimum qualification requirement

so....

if he/she competence for the job, and you want to hire him/her because of the relative reason, please go for it. but if she/he is not competence for the job, why do you should hire him/her? and using radicolous answer to reject me is unacceptable for me. just it, but I have met a couple open minded users

[misano]

from wikipedia: is to check a candidate's technical relevance against the job and whether they meet minimum qualification requirement

so....

However, the Interviewer some times cant really see the character of the interviewee during the interview only from the answer, gesture etc. cz some times you will meet a big liar lol..

my experience in 2010,I failed to occupy certain position. one month later, to my surprise that the company called me again and asked if am still interested in that position. of course I say YES.
Whn I have joined the company, I asked my boss why lately he contacted me again.
He told me that the chosen candidate stated on the interview tht she could do bla..bla.. and knowing abt bla..bla...

On the other hand, I just say the truth abt something tht I dont know but I promised him tht I will do my best.
He kept it on his mind tht's why later he contacted me.. I think it's also important to say honestly abt wht you can and cant do on the interview

[Missnaughty]

yaa, I understand that, networking is a must
but, when you have moved to the interview phase, the question is, what is interview for?
from wikipedia: is to check a candidate's technical relevance against the job and whether they meet minimum qualification requirement

so....

if he/she competence for the job, and you want to hire him/her because of the relative reason, please go for it. but if she/he is not competence for the job, why do you should hire him/her? and using radicolous answer to reject me is unacceptable for me. just it, but I have met a couple open minded users

If both applicants after the interview have same qualification.. But one is known better, and the other one only been seen one in the interview.. Which one would have been choosen?

And in your case, you only heard they say .. But do you know who the other one is? His qualification? Does he do the exact job that they offered you?

Maybe it just simply you didn't build the chemistry during interview and it was their nice way to reject your application.
But I think they should have told you that they have found other applicants that more suitable for the job raher than saying they don't accept freshgraduate. I think that is what you preferred to hear