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    Quote Originally Posted by ScooterIndo View Post
    Sorry to contradict you but in the uk we have/had the highest number of teenage pregnancies in europe despite free contraception available in every clinic, health centre and hospital a 15 year old girl can get the pill and condoms without the knowledge or consent of her parents as can boys (condoms) and yet despite the free education system that includes sex education stil the figures went way and above their european counterparts.
    Yes, they are high relative to other European countries. However, overall, teen pregnancies are lower in the developed world than in the developing world, and I believe it is in large part due to what I described earlier.

    Like the UK, the USA also has higher than average (again, relative to the rest of the developed world) teen pregnancies. This could be because they are poorly prepared for life in a modern and sexualised society. Of course, things are always more complex, but overall I thought that quote was fairly accurate.

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    For most women, I'd like to think it isn't exactly a walk in the park when she and her partner make the decision to go through an abortion. It is something that you will never forget for the rest of your life, especially when you're the woman. Therefore, I'd like to think that when the decision to go through an abortion is made, they think that's best for them. And who are we to say otherwise?

    I am definitely pro-choice as long as people do not use abortion as a contraceptive method itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missnaughty View Post
    As far as I understand these young girls do want to get pregnant and keep the baby in order to get gov benefits and council house of their own. They know what they are doing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post
    ahhhh. Gotta love the consequences of gubment healthcare.
    The first comment is an unsupported supposition; the latter comment connecting the fantasy of girl getting pregnant to go on the dole to a conclusion that national health care is bad is just silly.

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    I'm in agreement with both bow chicka wow wow and waarmstrong. Although I believe that readily available contraceptives and adequate healthcare and education are necessary, I still think that abortion should always be an option and shouldn't be anyone's business but that of the woman in question (and in part, her spouse). The reverse situation is downright cruel and somewhat barbaric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waarmstrong View Post
    The first comment is an unsupported supposition; the latter comment connecting the fantasy of girl getting pregnant to go on the dole to a conclusion that national health care is bad is just silly.
    My comment is to disagree with this post

    Sorry to contradict you but in the uk we have/had the highest number of teenage pregnancies in europe despite free contraception available in every clinic, health centre and hospital a 15 year old girl can get the pill and condoms without the knowledge or consent of her parents as can boys (condoms) and yet despite the free education system that includes sex education stil the figures went way and above their european counterparts.
    The highest rate of teenage pregnancies in UK because these girls DO want to get pregnant. Please do check the statistic of the number of teens mother who live in the council house.

    I am supporting this argument here

    If you want to prevent abortions, you make sure everyone has health care, a high school education and birth control. Not the exact opposite
    Last edited by Missnaughty; 21-10-12 at 09:01.

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    Yes, single mothers are often in difficult financial straits, but its a jump to light speed to accuse them of getting pregnant in order to qualify for subsistence level public housing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waarmstrong View Post
    Yes, single mothers are often in difficult financial straits, but its a jump to light speed to accuse them of getting pregnant in order to qualify for subsistence level public housing.
    I have met many teen mothers that can easily avoid getting pregnant by taking birth control pill, after morning pill or choose abortion if they wish to (in UK). But they want to get pregnant in the first place in order to get out from parents house and be independent in (--they think--) easy and cute way. I still keep contact with one of the girl that now having her second child and refuse to get married with the father (for both children) afraid to lose her (council) house as the father earn a substantial amount that would make them not entitled for the house.

    For those girls who (in my opinion) realized that having a child is a big responsibility, they educated enough to know how to avoid pregnancy in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haryadi View Post
    Missnaughty,you should watch this .
    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/...457430595.html
    Texas isn't pro choice state. Isn't like UK, it is pretty difficult for ones to get after morning pill. I used to live in Alabama, asked my doctor about after morning pill and they couldn't prescribed it to me. As for contraception pill, beside it is not covered by insurance, you need to see your doctor to get it.
    The only way to not getting pregnant is not having sex or using condoms which is we all know doesn't give 100% guarantee.

    edit : I can not open the link so I don't know for sure what the link is about. My comment above is to let you know how it is in Texas that is totally different than UK.
    Last edited by Missnaughty; 21-10-12 at 14:03.

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    I never checked the statistic of teen pregnancies rate between developed or developing countries, but I know in Indonesia we will not see many struggling teen single mothers, as the choice for teen pregnancies are 'abortion' under family pressure or getting married and all will be under family control.

    Therefore, again, education, easy access to contraception, and good healthcare is very important to avoid abortion and teen pregnancies.
    Last edited by Missnaughty; 21-10-12 at 13:45.

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