Toll gate no-card drivers should get fined!

**ricky_id** · 07-09-12, 22:58

On my way to Jakarta, I was driving through the Tangerang-Merak tollroad (some call it Tol Kebon Jeruk), and as I was entering the GTO gate, in front of me there was a car with a plate starting with A (B is for Jakarta) stopping in front of me for a minute. I thought it was mechanical error with the reader machine till I saw the driver talking to the toll card distributors and getting out of the car to borrow my card along with 5 ribu to pay for the fare. I was so pissed that I screamed in front of the old guy since there was a sign up there saying non-card carriers shouldn't enter the gate. At the same time, cars behind me have been honking for a while so turning back wasn't an option, hence me lending the old man my card. The content wasn't pretty much anyway in it and I could always buy anew in case he took it away, which he fortunately didn't do as he asked the card distributor to return the card to me. Then as he left and it was my turn to pay, I asked the card seller who was standing there if he had no card to settle the stuff and she said yeah he didn't. As I suspected. Oh well.

Turned out it wasn't the only incident of the day. Then I drove my way back to BSD, where I would pay at Karang Tengah toll gate. So next to me there was an Isuzu Panther driving to pay with cash and I would pay with my card and here I would make a comparison who would reach the gate faster. There were 5 cars before us. And as 2 cars have passed and as it seemed that I would win the race, deja vu. The queue stumbled for tens of seconds and the driver at the card gate got out to borrow the card from the next car's driver. Dammit!!! The Panther has won with distance due to this ignorant driver standing in my way.

These guys would better get fined heftily. Just ranting.

**MadCat** · 07-09-12, 23:42

It's one reason why I don't bother taking GTO when it's busy, for example at Halim it's usually faster to just queue up and pay your 7rb cash than to use the card, since people coming off the tol see the empty lanes and go "woowoo empty lane *yoink* mine!" - only to find out it's card only. Personally I feel they should be moved to the side, to be assisted when there is time. Read that as: you wanted to be fast, wait another 30 minutes as punishment.

I feel sorry for the attendants though, there's often some serious attitude on display from the various bapak2 who can't be arsed to read, or to have a card, and will hem and haw over getting a 50rb fresh card. That's also on principle why I don't let people borrow my card for shit like that. The exception is someone who has one but ran out of pulsa on it, or is short 1rb (happens sometimes), and then only if they're being nice about it to everyone.

**ScooterIndo** · 07-09-12, 23:53

Typical undisiplined drivers - why go in the other lane when they know the car behind will give the card ?? personaly i would have refused.

**El_Goretto** · 08-09-12, 07:03

This happens all the time and it drives me nuts. How many times have I had to give my card already. I'd love to teach them a lesson but 1) I don't usually have time and 2) that's not gonna change anything.

**ricky_id** · 08-09-12, 09:10

Originally Posted by MadCat

It's one reason why I don't bother taking GTO when it's busy, for example at Halim it's usually faster to just queue up and pay your 7rb cash than to use the card, since people coming off the tol see the empty lanes and go "woowoo empty lane *yoink* mine!" - only to find out it's card only. Personally I feel they should be moved to the side, to be assisted when there is time. Read that as: you wanted to be fast, wait another 30 minutes as punishment.

I feel sorry for the attendants though, there's often some serious attitude on display from the various bapak2 who can't be arsed to read, or to have a card, and will hem and haw over getting a 50rb fresh card. That's also on principle why I don't let people borrow my card for shit like that. The exception is someone who has one but ran out of pulsa on it, or is short 1rb (happens sometimes), and then only if they're being nice about it to everyone.

Exactly, paying the right amount to the personnel when the gate isn't busy should get you out of the way faster! Not sure if there's a space for 30-minute penalty, since there should be cars waiting behind it, but I would say, just fine them some tens of thousands, say 20 ribu, and put it at the board above, since I believe the people here would notice the denda thing more than the dilarang masuk one.

So as to avoid me running out of credit, I would usually keep the receipt of my last payment, which would show the last stand of my pulsa. I notice that when it got below 20 ribu, the receipt would show text telling you to reload immediately. Anyway, I'm amazed that most of the drivers actually take the receipt of the car before theirs, can't they wait for a second for the printing of their actual receipt??

Originally Posted by ScooterIndo

Typical undisiplined drivers - why go in the other lane when they know the car behind will give the card ?? personaly i would have refused.

I would have, Scoot, only if there hadn't been 5 cars waiting behind me! And since I was on a rush for an important appointment, there was only 30 ribu on the card and it isn't tough to get a new card (seriously, go to the next Indomaret and get that Indomaret card, I use that to pay at the GTO, since it belongs to Mandiri Prabayar network like the actual toll road card, and you could also reload the same Indomaret card at an ATM Mandiri with a special slot for any Mandiri Prabayar card), I lent him that anyway, which he would fortunately return.

Originally Posted by El_Goretto

This happens all the time and it drives me nuts. How many times have I had to give my card already. I'd love to teach them a lesson but 1) I don't usually have time and 2) that's not gonna change anything.

True, it's very dilemmatic. You don't lend it, you'll find yourself trapped for a while, unless there's no car behind you. You lend it, you may run the risk of giving it away i.e. stolen. Now if I see the crowd at the cash booths isn't that much different with that at the card booths, I may consider preparing exact amount instead. And it looks like these folks are getting smarter: they will usually wait for the cars behind them to build up, then they'll get out of the car to borrow your card, leaving you in this dilemmatic position, that's why I'm for a fine.

**burungkecil** · 08-09-12, 16:27

I bought an E-Tol card back when they were first introduced (around three years ago?) I used to use the Cililitan gate on a daily basis but got fed up with non-cardholders getting into the lane and not being able to pay. Toll employees would simply force all the vehicles trapped behind to reverse so that the idiot at the front could reverse out and then push his way into the regular line of vehicles. This was still happening the last time I used the gate a couple of weeks ago.
I once got so fed up with the situation that I went as far as telephoning the toll operator to complain and suggest that they fine anyone who wound up at the gate without a card.
They said that they had proposed this but that the legislation was waiting approval. That must be 2-2.5 years ago!

**ScooterIndo** · 08-09-12, 20:06

For a country like Indonesia i am surprised they dont issue fines for this sort of supidity. The UK government makes billions of pounds a year from charging and fining motorists for every silly infringement they can think of (parking, speeding, entering a bus lane, no seat belts, using a HP while driving, entering the city centre, stopping on a red route, jumping traffic lights, etc etc) i am sure that if indonesia implemented a simillar set of rules and actually enforced them the government would earn trillions and the disipline levels on the roads would increase significantly over night.

If there was a 500K fine for going through the wrong toll gate and the rule of law was enforced - then no one would do it.

Mark my words as soon as the indonesian government realises the revenue to be made from hammering motorists (like the UK) people will smarten up real quick.

**deliverypasta** · 08-09-12, 23:26

Totally agree, happens twice in a row today. 2 cars infront of ours dont hv the card yet they still trying to get to the fast line. My friend have to walk outside the card twice to lend the card and let them pay cash to him. Geez

**tihzho** · 08-09-12, 23:27

Typical for Indonesia. The government lacks the guts to institute heavy fines for people creating traffic for things which are meant to relive traffic.

I've thought there should be a 1 million rupiah fine for people entering the GTO gate without an e-tol card. There would a overhead sign warning of the 1 million rp fine before the gate and someone at the gate issuing the fines. If you don't pay the fine you loose your registration of the vehicle. You'll be surprised how fast people learn.

Don't even say this is impossible in Indonesia because China which is far more undisciplined than Indonesia have similar fines for important road rules - even speed cameras, and red light cameras. The difference between Indonesia and China is a strong government, that's all!

While on the subject there should be a higher barrier between the road and the busway and gates at the stops. Anyone who enters the busway at an intersection will be stopped at the bus top by the gate, they will be issued a 1 juta fine with a photo of their plate number and then they will be allowed to exit via a gate. If they continue to the next bus top they are issued another fine, so its bad luck if they cannot exit to the street before the next stop! haha You'll be surprised how soon people respect the bus way.

Again, don't say its not possible. In Shanghai many main streets motorcycles and bicycles are not allowed or they must stay in their own lane. After the city made the announcements of the change in the rules and the grace period there were fines issued to all and very soon people learned. Same with where taxis can stop. There are many places where a taxi cannot stop and if they do they are issued a fine via a camera which took their photo.

I should be in charge hahaa

**tihzho** · 08-09-12, 23:42

Originally Posted by ScooterIndo

For a country like Indonesia i am surprised they dont issue fines for this sort of supidity. The UK government makes billions of pounds a year from charging and fining motorists for every silly infringement they can think of (parking, speeding, entering a bus lane, no seat belts, using a HP while driving, entering the city centre, stopping on a red route, jumping traffic lights, etc etc) i am sure that if indonesia implemented a simillar set of rules and actually enforced them the government would earn trillions and the disipline levels on the roads would increase significantly over night.

If there was a 500K fine for going through the wrong toll gate and the rule of law was enforced - then no one would do it.

Mark my words as soon as the indonesian government realises the revenue to be made from hammering motorists (like the UK) people will smarten up real quick.

EXACTLY mate!

There is so much money to be made by these idiots! If the police cannot be trusted to issue the tickets because they pocket the bribe have traffic cams take photos of the car's plate number and issue the fine directly. If they don't pay they cannot registrar the car when it comes due once a year.