God Bless America

[waarmstrong]

Can you believe it! I can create a though of my own!
No article related, no politicaly influenced, just my bare own mind.
I have definitely exaggerated (and choose) fact, but I don't think it's far of the reality.!

res ipsa loquitur

[Davita]

Maybe Canada needs to stop acting all imperial and colonial like Uncle Sam, and just give Quebec its independence.

Hombre you are right..... and maybe Texas could be independant followed by California. How 'bout moving DC Federal Offices to Utah or making Florida a gateway to Cuba.
Maybe New Mexico should return to the Old one. Btw, as an afterthought, why cannot Hawaii be Japanese.

I was born in Scotland and abhor the idea that my motherland may again be independant of the UK. The referendum is to be held in 2014. I await a failure of voters to accept but, as yet, don't even know how the question will be framed.

I seriously believe than Nationalism and Religion and Soccer create animosity.

Harmony is achieved when all people have good leadership; believe in team effort and put aside differences.

My daily project!

[Hombre de Maiz]

Davita, I think you are barking up the wrong tree. As I have stated several times here apropos Indonesia's rigid interpretation of national unity and territorial integrity, if a U.S. state wants to seceded and leave the Union, who the hell am I to stand in the way and trump their rights and aspirations, so long as that is what the majority wants? My concept of nation and national identity are not threatened or compromised when other Americans assert their legitimate rights. If Texas and California want to go their separate ways, let them.

BTW, Texas was an independent country for a handful of years before it was admitted, of its own accord, into the Union. The location of Washington, DC harks back to the creation of the country as a compromise location between Northern and Southern interests, and back to a time when there were only 13 states, all along the eastern seaboard. If there are good, pragmatic reasons for moving it elsewhere, yeah, sure we should consider it, though I think the country probably has bigger fish to fry at the moment. Let's not do a Myanmar.

[Davita]

Quebec has had 2 referendums on sovereignty in the last 30 years and both were rejected by the Quebec Electorate....so hardly Canadian Imperialism/Colonialism. I agree....if the majority wish to be independant...so be it.

I think most Canadians would be happy to separate, so long as the separation was framed fairly. i.e. if the logic for Quebec's separation is sound it begs the question of Native Land separation within Quebec.

btw.....Thanks for the lecture Hombre......now how about you go back to those higher education establishments you boast about attending.......and relocate your sense of humour.

[Hombre de Maiz]

......so hardly Canadian Imperialism/Colonialism.


btw.....Thanks for the lecture Hombre......now how about you go back to those higher education establishments you boast about attending.......and relocate your sense of humour.

Many Quebecois with whom I've talked seem to have a different opinion.

I don't think I've boasted, and certainly I have not named any names. I mentioned it because I was actually in school just two years ago, a period that coincided with my participation in this forum.

[Davita]

Many Quebecois with whom I've talked seem to have a different opinion..

Ok.....the way you argue...which trumps which.....opinion or referendums?.

[waarmstrong]

Some opinions, it would seem, are more equal than others.

[Hombre de Maiz]

Fair enough, Davita. Canada has offered two referenda.

[PhilippeD]

Canada didn't offered the referendum, the provincial gov do it again the will of the federal gov.
The federal gov had spend million in publicity and effort for abort the referendum. (that also lead to a big scandal of embezzlement of found).

Also, you must consider some other east bordering province that would be physically separated from the rest of Canada if Quebec become independent.

For come back to the US (as per subject of this tread), I have no doubt the US gov will "fight" hard again any state willing to leave. (no, I don't mean in a military action)

[benederlof]

Philippe is right, The U.S. came out the big winner economiccaly after WWII, what Hombre stated that the U.S. was already rich before WWII is not correct. We were in the throughs of a great depression and the beginning of the war took us out of it, men were trained to be soldiers, the factories were filled with men and women working side by side and the farmers had to grow crops in a hurry to feed everybody.

After the war Germany and Europe, Japan and Asia were in ruins, their factories flattened, while America's were untouched and running at 100% capacity. The whole world was depending on America for food and material, hence, we became the almighty U.S.A.
Then we squandered everything away, we became greedy the credit card was introduced and we didn't think about saving for the future, we charged everything, 2 cars in the garage, T.V. in every room and get cheap products from overseas.

The government started putting everything on a credit card, fighting wars and giving tax breaks, now we blame mexico and china for our ills. Instead of being so arrogant we should take lessons from countries like Germany, small countries like the Netherlands and Luxembourg, Denmark how come they are still doing so good.

Obama got rediculed by FOX for bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia, why not, he is a king and Obama is just a president. It is good to see a president of the United States showing humility. Us, changing french fries to freedom fries, just because the french didn't agree with us, "If you are not with us you are against us" George Bush.
Everybody has his own agenda for voting for a president, from economics to social issues, for me it is foreign policy, more countries are symphatitic to us since Obama became present, I travel a lot and it least I know that no foreigners will throw shoes at me.

Lastly I will never vote Republican again, The last time I voted for Reagan, he srewed me royally with the "no double dipping" policy. I worked 2 jobs, in the private sector and for the goverment. When the government offered early retirement because of cut backs, I took it because I thought I will be able to draw social security when I'll be 62 (I retired at age 50).
When it was time to collect my social security, I was told that I only will get half because of the double dipping policy, and when the government found out that I receive some social security, they cut my pension too.

The exact same thing apply to the present economy. It's not a matter of one or 2 last president, it's a matter of 70 year ago.



On the same way than the upper comment... you are perfectly right, it's no sense to blame ONLY the last guy... it's the 15 last guy we must blame!
And there... is it really the "guy" that we must blame???

For make it very very short:
- The US get out of the WW2 with no causality (on his land).
- The US become rich following the Marshall plan where the US have "rebuilt" most of the conquered country. It's also this that have spread the US money all over the world.
- After the Marshall plan end up, they need to find another way to sustain their wealthiness and there is born the international market of cheap labor. By this the company was able to sustain the wealthiness growing up by cutting the production cost, but have an pervert effect of drying up the population money.

On an attempt, of repeating the plan marshall, the US have "liberate" the Iraqi by giving the order to the soldier of destroying EVERYTHING, including school and museum.
Does someone know the Iraqi had many milliard of cash in a bank in N-Y? Money that was from any "oil" transaction made by the country that was held in the bank.
This milliard of cash have strangely disappear while the war.

Now it doesn't have any more source of cash for sustain a the growing up of the wealth.

You want it grow up again?

Very easy, Start the WW3, let's say as example, again the "bad" musulman for whatsoever reason.
Shave to the ground a couple of country. Try to not kill too much of people, you will need them for the next step.
After you will have triumphantly conquer the multiple country, force them to pay you for rebuilt their country as a reward to have save them from their dictator and religion.