Is this normal for Lion air pilots?

**Davita** · 04-08-12, 22:30

IMO a well written explanation 747-8 (post #119). I admire your enthusiasm for the future of Indonesian aviation and agree.

In my time many emerging countries suffered from lack of experience and technology in regard to aviation. Most took a Nationalistic approach, rather than safety, and suffered from too many accidents. Singapore Airlines, for example, was not immune and consequently employed foreign pilots. Korean Airlines, as we are all aware, had a paternalistic cockpit regime that caused a major navigation error and, consequently, employed foreign intervention into cockpit management protocol.

Indonesia is no different but comes late into the process that help is available. So long as National pride is foremost it is difficult to see a way forward but I agree with your premise....it is getting better....and that is why we need to promote and stop being negative.

btw I flew Lion Air 2 days ago JKT-DPS, it was a breezy day and the landing was exact. The Bali airport, on the other hand, is chaos. They need to get some better management to direct those entering to be on one side and those exiting on the other...it's not rocket science!!!

**john madden** · 05-08-12, 05:16

Originally Posted by Hombre de Maiz

Fear-mongering article to scare the ignorant masses and provide a justification for intervention.

In what way is it fear-mongering? Seemed a straight forward narrative to me. And as Raoul asked - what sort of intervention are you implying?

**venkat** · 05-08-12, 17:43

hey guys dont bother abt pilots, please think abt Air hosters @!!!

**747-8** · 05-08-12, 21:13

Originally Posted by Davita

btw I flew Lion Air 2 days ago JKT-DPS, it was a breezy day and the landing was exact. The Bali airport, on the other hand, is chaos. They need to get some Japanese management to direct those entering to be on one side and those exiting on the other...it's not rocket science!!!

Absolutely agree on that Davita. When we have an overnight in Bali, it's a long walk from the domestic terminal to where we meet out hotel vehicle which is usually waiting for us infront of the international terminal. There are hundreds of people walking to and from domestic terminal from there in all directions. All it needs is a 'keep left' sign and that passage way would be much more orderly. Let's hope the new terminal buildings will be completed on time.

**Hombre de Maiz** · 06-08-12, 11:31

Add to that that parking space is woefully insufficient, traffic control is non-existent and the the feeder arteries to the airport are sclerotic.

**mifo81** · 23-08-12, 12:08

this one's not fear-mongering, it seems like a real concern... Al-Jazeera English ran a report on air safety two days ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dA3hOd-ecU

A boom in Indonesia's airline industry has meant that the country needs 800 pilots each year. But supply is failing to meet demand as flight schools in the nation are only able to train 350 people annually. As a result, pilots lacking sufficient qualifications are being fast tracked through the system without meeting appropriate safety training standards. Al Jazeera's Step Vaessen reports from the capital Jakarta.

it explains so many things. so MANY.

**applecart** · 29-08-12, 23:38

Originally Posted by mifo81

this one's not fear-mongering, it seems like a real concern... Al-Jazeera English ran a report on air safety two days ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dA3hOd-ecU

it explains so many things. so MANY.

A little while ago, I took a Garuda flight to Bali. Towards the end of the flight, the pilot promoted Garuda's website, saying "double-doo, double-doo, double-doo" (he was reading the www. of the web address). Garuda, my friend.

**Rosanita** · 31-08-12, 16:51

Originally Posted by kingwilly

You have several options.

1) Dont fly with them.
2) Write a letter/email to the CEO of the company
3) Have a cry and start a thread on an internet forum

You, Sir, were doing it right.

**atlantis** · 03-10-12, 17:42

I've landed in KL on a Lion Air flight hours ago and, as usual, the pilot smashed the plane on the tarmac. It was quite brutal and I think I won't complain anymore when landing in Manado.

**Hombre de Maiz** · 03-10-12, 19:22

Originally Posted by mifo81

this one's not fear-mongering, it seems like a real concern... Al-Jazeera English ran a report on air safety two days ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dA3hOd-ecU

it explains so many things. so MANY.

None of this should be surprising, knowing how Indonesia operates. The boom in low cost carriers was a serious problem even in the U.S. Frontline did an expose several years ago titled The High Cost of Flying Cheap. You should watch it, and multiply it by 10 to get a sense of what you can expect here.