Reply With QuoteMakes me wonder what the definition of regional airline* in this award is....they even fly intercontinental!Originally Posted by 747-8
Or do they only take CitiLink into account?
Perhaps we should start a different thread as we're off topic here with the original topic of Lion Air hard landings ..haha ..
But to answer the question, Garuda came 11th ahead of Virgin Blue. For interest, Qantas came 15th. Eva came 13th. Here's the official list; http://www.worldairlineawards.com/Aw...2012_top20.htm
Garuda came first for the best regional airline in the world. http://www.worldairlineawards.com/Awards_2012/regional2012.htm
Last edited by 747-8; 17-07-12 at 10:26.
Makes me wonder what the definition of regional airline* in this award is....they even fly intercontinental!
Or do they only take CitiLink into account?
Last edited by jstar; 17-07-12 at 10:06. Reason: * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_airline
My question earlier had to do with why aircraft manufacturers would not, by now, provide for full fly-by-wire control for the rudder, given that pilot error in the handling of the rudder can bring about catastrophic disintegration of the airplane?
I don't think Citilink would be considered as a regional airline as they currently only fly on domestic trunk routes within Indonesia. Looking at the other airlines that Garuda competed against to win that award, it appears "regional" means in the South East Asian region. Furthermore, Citilink is close to getting their own Air Operators Certificate, and when this happens, they'll be operating independently of Garuda complete with their own IATA code (QG) and callsign.
Last edited by 747-8; 20-07-12 at 03:57.
The latest aircraft coming out of the Boeing and Airbus factories are fly-by-wire aircraft and I'm pretty sure alot of other aircraft from other manufacturers have FBW systems too. Even the Russian built Sukhoi Superjet 100 that rammed in to Mt Salak near Jakarta is FBW.
Just in time to add to this discussion...
Garuda Indonesia Flight Skids Off Runway in Riau | The Jakarta Globe
Looks like an endemic problem.
"Science is the philosophy of discovery. Intelligent design is a philosophy of ignorance"
What is? Pilots high, hung-over and over-sexed?
It very much is, and not at all helped by the poor infrastructure in Indonesia. Runway standards are exceptionally poor and given the volumes of rain that can be experienced they should be grooved for better friction capabilities. Boeing also recommend a runway width greater than what is on offer at places like Pekanbaru.
At the recent ICAO Runway Safety conference in Bali a very senior Garuda Captain almost became emotional when he relayed how much help Garuda and Indonesia needed to keep safety at present levels and improve. If more isn't done, and fast, we will all find ourselves back in 2007 as far as aviation safety in Indonesia is concerned.
There are some very capable and decent people within Indonesian Aviation but like all sectors of society they are fighting a real battle. It is fortunate in some respects that aviation is such a visible industry and the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) with the assistance of other foreign authorities are finally starting to pick their game up.
Fingers crossed really.
Lion Air had two runway overruns at this same airport in Pekanbaru in February last year which happened within 24 hours of each other. Here's a report from Avherald about the Lion Air incident.
Infact, when this thread was started, I initially wanted to suggest that, because of these two incidents at Pekanbaru last year, Lion Air may now train their pilots to ensure that touch down always occur at the touch down markers. As I've mentioned earlier, this can sometimes lead to "harder than normal" landings, especially for the inexperienced pilot under line training.From Aviation Herald
A Lionair Boeing 737-900, registration PK-LHH performing flight JT-295 from Medan to Pekanbaru (Indonesia) with 218 people on board, overran Pekanbaru's runway 36 and came to a stop with all gear about 25 meters off the paved surface while landing in Pekanbaru around 17:00L (10:00Z) in drizzle. The passengers disembarked onto soft ground via mobile stairs.
This was the second runway excursion of a Lionair Boeing 737-900 at Pekanbaru within 20 hours, also see Incident: Lionair B739 at Pekanbaru on Feb 14th 2011, runway excursion on landing.
As result of the overrun the runway was closed for about 7 hours, then the runway was re-opened with restrictions. The airplane is expected to be moved in the morning of Feb 16th.
Indonesia's Ministry of Communication said, that "218 passengers including crew" were on board of the aircraft that overran the end of the runway safety area by about 20 meters. At the time of the landing winds were calm, visibility was 5000 meters (16400 feet).
Indonesia's Ministry of Transport have banned Boeing 737-900s from operating into Pekanbaru when the runway is wet, pending further investigation results.
Last edited by 747-8; 20-07-12 at 04:11.
Just arrived Bali on Lion a couple of days ago. I sat in row 3F so had a good view. I saw the Captain looked mature and not U/T....didn't see the F/O and no announcement so I don't know who did the T/O or LDG.
The Vr rotate seemed long, given the circumstances, so I assumed he carried fuel for the return flight. The pax seats were nearly full.
The approach seemed normal even tho' I saw there was a X wind which kept shifting. He put the aircraft down very gently right on the touch down markers but his braking was a bit fierce....and I understand Bali is long enough.
I think he was trying to make turn-off to get to the gate soonest as we were about 15 mins late.
Other than that, for a mere Rp422,000 one way, I was satisfied.
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