WTF thread

[tihzho]

yeah pretty surprising huh? :P ... i was just wondering why were you complaining a lot haha... *hug* tihz..

haha

This is the thread for all things which cause us to say "WTF"?

[babygirl]

WTF why tihzho complaining a lot?? like that? :P

[tihzho]

Because I'm not one to keep quiet when something is wrong like other people

Also its funny that YOU say this when your signature states:
"Never give up on something you really want. However impossible things seem, there's always a way"

Hmmm?

[babygirl]

*grin*

So complaining is also one of your way to change the world?

[rabbit_39]

yeah pretty surprising huh? :P ... i was just wondering why were you complaining a lot haha... *hug* tihz..

Actually, yes. If you don't complain, no one will know that anything is wrong.

Also, I had just realized recently that when I don't complain, it means I don't care at all about it. I complain when it's something I care about and I wish for it to change.

So if you don't complain about something, it means you don't care enough. At least that is how it works with me.

[babygirl]

Actually, yes. If you don't complain, no one will know that anything is wrong.

but complaining in Indonesia means 'galak' or 'miss complaint'. And usually they will get annoy if we complaint but not trying to improve the service.
I still remember on one of the thread about eating kebab. Naughtygab tried to complaint there and they just listen and didn't do anything else. That's what happened in Indonesia. I changed my habit a bit after I came back from China. I started to complaint if there's something not right. And they called me galak or rewel.

[PhilippeD]

BG, many people don't make the difference between:
Complaining for the pleasure of it
and
Constructive complaining

Also, many people, not just in Indonesia, simply don't want improve. Whatever what would be your complain it will be considered as annoying.
In the other hand, sometime it take many complain from different person for make someone understood that something is wrong or can be better.

... My wife say I complain tooooooo much

[rabbit_39]

But if you're not galak or rewel, no one will know that what they've done is inappropriate. <shrug> I never cared what other people call me, I'll complain if it's something I care about. These days I rarely complain about restaurants in Indonesia. I simply don't go there anymore. When I was in Portland, I complained about the food and the service because I expect them to be better next time. Because I want that restaurant to improve and be in business for a long time. For Indonesian restaurants, I could care less if they're still around tomorrow.

[tihzho]

Chinese are the same as Indonesians as far as complaining, they are just as apathetic. What's the use of complaining because nothing will change. However Indonesians can quickly go to the other extreme of demonstrations and riots. Its not that people really care about something its more the people being easily led into doing something about something they actually don't know too much about. Call it pack mentality and lets follow the leader.

I think both Chinese and Indonesians have this mentality about complaining because of suppressive governments. Indonesia with Suharto, and China with the current government. However the difference between Indonesia and China is Indonesians now have the power to effect change but are apathetic by habit from the Suharto era. For example, traffic jams are the norm in Jakarta and it effects everyone, but do you see any demonstrations about using ERP, subway system, light rail? Nope nothing.

There is a joke about Chinese which can also apply to here

How many Chinese does it take to change a light globe?

None, a new light globe costs money and everyone will get used to the dark.

[haryadi]

hmm. I remember reading a member complained about red brick system in this forum,and what did he get?more red bricks ?and sinister replies from other members?
Perhaps gov of Indonesia should learn how to handle complains from this forum ...

about traffic jams, everyone know the obvious solution .. there should be less car on jakarta roads .. people need to leave their car at home and ride public transportation . it's just the solution will be hard and expensive . this is why Indonesia need strong leadership , instead of weak leader that embrace the populist short sighted policy just to win the election .
people just can not regulate themselves , for example .. switch off traffic light in busy intersection ,can all the drivers coordinate their cars without creating a deadlock ?

on liquor issue .. what I dont' quite get it ,why westerner need high alcoholic beverages in a tropical country . To prevent your blood from getting frozen ?
even with highly regulated alcohol content and distribution , a woman managed to crash her car and killed several people . can you imagine what will happen if the regulation is loosened ?