Are Indoesian people rude?

**jstar** · 10-03-12, 05:33

Originally Posted by lowey

i blame the dutch.

**roysingh** · 10-03-12, 09:48

@Jstar: Very funny song buddy... he he he he he...

Anyway how are you ? Long time no see...

**Dowie** · 10-03-12, 10:35

very good jstar. where did you fid him from. he has many interesting points.

**jstar** · 10-03-12, 13:23

Hey Roy, not too bad. Having some issues with Broco and Aton. Will tell you later.

@lowey: was a popular song on the 'alternative' Dutch radio stations early eighties. We thought it was pretty funny too...

**ricky_id** · 11-03-12, 12:21

Originally Posted by icantfindid

One of my pet peeves is seeing those who would smoke around babies/kids, like there is no other place to light their cigarettes. I always managed to volunteer to give them a piece of my mind. And this is coming from a smoker.

Not gross enough, I've seen a grandpa in his 50s or 60s blowing his cigar smoke at his baby grandson, right before his also smoking grandma who just looked at it. Multiple times. I've aimed my phone camera at them to record it, but it was my first day with the thing and I missed pushing the "Play" button which I assumed to be at the same place as it was with my old cellphone. The guy was an ashhole.

Originally Posted by jim69

You should have pulled him out of his seat. I would have.

I agree that the guy Kimdub mentioned deserved a punch in the face, but doing this might mean playing with fire with your immigration status...

As for the Dutch, blaming them would serve as alcoholic drink for all of Indonesia's woes: it feels nice, but won't change a thing if not worsen it.

**icantfindid** · 11-03-12, 13:56

I'm a little late here, been enjoying my weekend away from the computer, needed that. And I haven't read all the other posts so I apologize if I might repeat what has been mentioned.

I wouldn't elaborate how rude Indonesians are to me, not my place, and I'd probably take a beating as well if I did, for absolutely nothing. I'll talk in general, from my own perception. Personally, I think when one is asking "Are Indonesian people (or any nation) rude?" is only an exaggeration/generalization (or thinking out loud, perhaps, in writing) since most people would probably realize that comparing and assuming one's own culture is the right culture and the others are rude (wrong) is simply ethnocentrism, which stemmed from one's own cultural misunderstanding (and ignorance?).

So, yes, there's usually a get some loose some wherever you go, whoever you deal with. Per my last post or so, I had no objection on the fact that rude people are everywhere and not to be pinpointed to only a certain nation (Indonesia) because being rude is a trait, a learned behavior that any human being can acquire at some point in life or over time. I believe that most people, whatever nation they are from, would blame the rudeness on the parents for not instilling courtesy in their children, then top it off with a spice of their own ignorance growing up, blend it all together with other factors, multiply them into a nation, and the result is that same culture with tendency to promote the extension of that certain rude behavior -- which not all are perceived rude in some cultures, while to some others -- completely unacceptable, for that same reason.

While respecting other culture is a must to ensure harmony (yours as well), especially when you are living and breathing their air, however, on the other hand, I believe we are free to demand the respect to our own cultures as well. Or at least what is passable as a basic manner in today's societies, such as saying thank you, please, sorry, cellphone usage manner, etc --- you know, common courtesy I guess (just forget the driving, going nowhere). While Injun pointed out that not even a terimakasih is as common yet in Indonesia, but I got this hunch that if you would show them how you'd like to be treated, by giving them that same respect and/or communicate the issue to the 'offenders' politely, things usually do get better. Especially to those you encounter in daily basis. More than that, if it's out of your control, patience and tolerance will just have to come in play.

Based on my experience so far, I admit I do find myself seeing that lack of respect juuust a little more here compared to other countries I've lived in. Well, China is pretty up there as well. (Where is Tihzho?

) But again, I try not to loose my head over it and view it as the 'get some loose some thingy' and enjoy whatever positive things Indonesia has to offer. Over "should-ing" makes people unhappy after all and I'm not in for any of that.

**rabbit_39** · 12-03-12, 08:30

My own experiences are thus:
- Indonesians as a whole (yes, a generalization) who live in Jakarta/Bogor area are inconsiderate toward STRANGERS when measured against my values
- However, once you're seen as part of a circle they're also in, they're very polite. This can be as simple as living in the same complex, of the same religion, etc.

I think the above are true for most people around the world. But as compared to Americans, the difference in treatment is very vast here in Indonesia. Whereas in Oregon (especially in the rural area, but applies even in big cities) the difference between treating a stranger and someone in one's own circle are often very small. Sometimes even none.

**ricky_id** · 12-03-12, 20:05

Originally Posted by bow chicka wow wow

I'm currently in the UK and I find some people's behaviour quite appalling.
.......
- I was in a grocery store at a not so nice area and a kid walked up to me and kicked my shin whilst the mother watched.

I think there's a good chance the mum is a BNP sympathiser and/or a recipient of state aid after getting banged by somebody without protection.

**jim69** · 13-03-12, 10:24

Also remember that the borders accross Europe are open, so now there is a huge migrent population in the UK which in my opinion is lowering standards.

**is-ought** · 15-03-12, 16:38

As few have mentioned in their replies, I used to get vexed with the usual: general road attitude, the non-existant concept of personal space... Then I was transplanted to a weird and wonderfully batsht insane place called Shanghai. Puts everything into perspective. Back in Indonesia now, happy as a clam.