Family registration (KK)

**Liuzza** · 23-01-09, 21:07

Can anybody give an info in regards of making Family Registration or Kartu Keluarga with a husband different nationality ?

**atlantis** · 15-03-09, 09:48

Legally speaking, it may prove difficult for most of the foreigners. With the new law on administration population (Undang-undang nomor 23 tahun 2006 tentang administrasi kependudukan), all foreigners are forbidden to be listed on an Indonesian KK, but the one who are staying in Indonesia on a KITAP status. It is more explicitely confirmed in its article 62

Pasal 62
(1) Penduduk Warga Negara Indonesia dan Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Tetap hanya diperbolehkan terdaftar dalam 1 (satu) KK.

**subseageorge** · 14-05-12, 11:24

Luizza,
Did you get any update on your KK application???
I have my KITAS and my wife is Idonesian, Do i have to wait for my KITAP. or can i apply for a family KK now with the two of us on it???
Thanks

**rabbit_39** · 14-05-12, 11:32

I hear France has the equivalent of a KK. I'm sorry for being naive, but what purpose does a KK serve?

Thank you,

**marcus** · 15-05-12, 11:04

One of the purposes is to present more details about a person , like parents for example . As you can see , the Indonesian identity card (KTP) does not inform the parent's names .

**rabbit_39** · 15-05-12, 11:15

And that information is good for what? Sorry I don't quite understand.

For example, many people I know have to go to their original city to take care of their KTP, because their KK is with their parents. So what good is the KTP if it doesn't show your living address?

Then other people I know, have "illegal" KTP because they can't make a new KK at their kost even though that is where they're living. And they have no relationship with the parents.

Then another segment of people I know added their name to someone else's KK and made a KTP that way.

So when the information is easily made inaccurate, why is it still needed? Don't get me started on KTP and the info contained within vs drivers license

**marcus** · 15-05-12, 12:46

Originally Posted by rabbit_39

(a) And that information is good for what?

(b1) For example, many people I know have to go to their original city to take care of their KTP, because their KK is with their parents. So what good is the KTP if it doesn't show your living address?

(b2) Then other people I know, have "illegal" KTP because they can't make a new KK at their kost even though that is where they're living. And they have no relationship with the parents....

(c) So when the information is easily made inaccurate, why is it still needed?

(a) I would agree with you if you ask for what we need STM , SKLD , and SKTT , but KK for Indonesians is more relevant , in my opinion .

(b) I understand that some people may have difficult in getting the KK , but not many .

(b1) If I was an Indonesian I would have a copy of my KK all the time .
But it was their option if they renew their KTP at their parent's city instead of getting a new KTP at the city where they are really living .

http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...w-card-...-How (how to get a KTP when changing address)

(b2) I don't understand what you meant by "they can't make a new KK at their kost" . If they can't get the KK from their parents , I believe they can get a copy at Catatan Sipil .

(c) I think that if a document is easily falsified then the problem is in its issuance procedures/control/security , not in its necessity .

**rabbit_39** · 15-05-12, 16:25

b) perhaps it's exaggerated in my circles, but I'd say more than 10% of the people I know have the "wrong" KTP or KK
b1) why would you need to carry a copy of your KK all the time? What's the use?
Yes, but when they try to get a new KTP at the city, they say they need a new KK at the new place. Surat pindah isn't enough. I don't know if this is true, just what I was told as the reason for them not having the new KTP at the new address.
b2)I meant they can't make a new KK at their kost's address. They said one address can only have 1 KK, whereas that address already has the KK of the owner or the manager registered

Let me change my question, what's the practical reason to have a KK? Perhaps in Indonesia it's a necessity because the procedures says KK is needed for xx other documents. but why does it need to exist? To let people know who my parents are? Who needs to know? In the case of an accident? Wouldn't people at my address know me? At the very least my tax id number would let people at work know.

Not trying to be belligerent, really trying to understand why? That's how I roll I guess.

**marcus** · 16-05-12, 08:07

Rabbit_39 , I talked to my Indonesian wife about the KK and I have to say that it is not what I thought . According the city of Sukabumi (http://180.244.194.163:8030/web/14567/kartu-keluarga-kk) , the KK is a document listing the family members under the responsibility of the head of the family . It seems that if a family member marries and go to live in other place , his/her name is withdrawn from the father's KK . So , for me , it seems like a "list of family members living together" .

(b1) In the former post I meant I would have a copy of the KK easily available as it is required in many life situations .

Returning to the subject of Indonesians having KTP or KK due to specific difficulties in doing them correctly , this is what my wife told me :

(b1) If an Indonesian is still single and moves out of his/her parent's house , if he/she needs to prove his/her new address , he/she can make a "KTP Sementara" or "Surat Pengantar" with the new address , as he/she is not normally allowed to make a normal KTP with the new address .

(b2) If an Indonesian is still single and living out of his/her parent's house , he/she cannot make his/her own KK .

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About the practical reason of the KK , I am not so sure anymore . Maybe it helps a little bit in differentiating people with the same name .

I believe Indonesia could simplify the life of the people by not requiring so many documents (KK could be one) , diminishing unnecessary data , transferring public servants to more essential work , ...

**rabbit_39** · 16-05-12, 08:19

Thanks for the explanation. I was told that France, and perhaps other countries as well, have kk requirements also . what is its purpose in practical terms in other countries?

Kto sementara, I will have to ask around about that. I have not heard anyone mention that before. No wonder many people are in a hurry to get married. It seems they are in "limbo" until they get married and have their own legal documents.