Conversion of an ITAS sponsored by an Indonesian spouse in an ITAP. UU 6/2011

[blitarbule]

As Atlantis said in his first post of this thread , his whole process took 4 weeks , so this information about 2 months only for the KanIm letters seems that they are not willing to proceed .

I believe the KITAP process is very similar to the KITAS process , and so this first phase would not take more than one week , normally .

Must be time for more letters then...lol

[marcus]

But still there is a small possibility that they will proceed if they did give you that request acknowledgement paper , stating the day you need to return there .

[blitarbule]

But still there is a small possibility that they will proceed if they did give you that request acknowledgement paper , stating the day you need to return there .

I wasn't really clear in my first post. I was actually looking for any official time lines that imigrasi have to follow not really previous forum users experience. I realise that 2 months is a bit ridiculous but if there are no guidelines/rules for processing times then it makes it a bit harder to complain.


The return time/date of my receipt is...Kembali Tgl: di hubungi .... Don't call us..We will call you..... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[HW-90]

After a few kitas extensions I have recently submitted my application for a kitap. Everything has been going very smooth so far. 2 Petugas of the immigration office came by our house to see our living situation and they were friendly and helpful, just doing their job. I asked them about me being allowed to work when/if I have the kitap and if they could explain that in detail. To my surpise the petugas was aware of the undang2 and the pasal that mentioned foreigners being allowed to work. He said that the details of that chapter have not been specified and they still have to be made (official). Untill then it should be considered general, meaning that a kitap holder can do any job he likes. The only condition that he mentioned was that it has to be reported at wasdakim by the company that the kitab holder starts working at.To me this sounds great, but is this interpretation of the petugas imigrasi right?

[marcus]

....He said that the details of that chapter have not been specified and they still have to be made (official). Untill then it should be considered general, meaning that a kitap holder can do any job he likes. The only condition that he mentioned was that it has to be reported at wasdakim by the company that the kitab holder starts working at.To me this sounds great, but is this interpretation of the petugas imigrasi right?

I don't agree with his interpretation , and also I think this kind of information should come from officers from the Manpower Department , instead of from Immigration .
As somebody said in this Forum , for example , a doctor who cannot understand the Indonesian language probably could not work (in Indonesia) without a nurse capable of translating Indonesian-the foreigner's language , diploma validation , ...These kind of limitations are probably one of the objectives of the work permit .
The present work laws/regulations require all foreigners to get a work permit to work .
Although we expect a revision of this work permit requirement in order to give more privileges to foreigners married to Indonesians , this didn't happen yet . And this present requirement does not contradicts the new Immigration Law (UU6 - 2011) .

UU6 - year 2011
Pasal 61

Pemegang Izin Tinggal terbatas sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 52 huruf e dan huruf f dan pemegang Izin Tinggal Tetap sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 54 ayat (1) huruf b dan huruf d dapat melakukan pekerjaan dan/atau usaha untuk memenuhi kebutuhan hidup dan/atau keluarganya.

(non official translation)
Article 61
Temporary Stay Permit holder as referred in Article 52 letters e and f and the holder of Permanent Stay Permit as referred to in Article 54 paragraph (1) letters b and d can do work and / or business to provide for his/her living and/or for his/her family .

[HW-90]

My immigration officer quoted the law you mentioned (Article 61). He said that based on that law I can do any kind of job I want and they cannot stop me from that because they would need 'rules' to act upon. And the way the law is currently stipulated they do not have any of those.
Other people who are busy applying for a kitap (or already have one) must have asked their imigrasi petugas to explain this general law? What answers did they get?

[all4ywh]

This week I finally reached the goal of successfully completing my conversion of ITAS to ITAP!!!

At the beginning of November, I had a conversation with Ibu Yuli Rahayu, the Kepala Seksi Statuskim at Central Jakarta Immigration Office, and briefly asked her about the "right to work" issue in the new Immigration Law- at that time she did not know or could speculate due to no statements or regulations from the Manpower & Transmigration Ministry yet. At this time, because of my current situation and no great concern about the details of the "right to work" issue, I did not ask Pak Kemas Arpandi, Kepala Kasi Ahli Status Intal Tetap, about the issue during my two visits to the Immigration General Director (DitJen) office in Jakarta.

Couple of comments about the completion of my conversion:

1) When I returned to DitJen to pick up the decision letter (Surat Keputusan)I received 3 envelopes from Pak Kemas Arpandi, each with a copy of the decision letter: 1 envelope for Kantor Wilayah, 1 for Kantor Imigrasi in Central Jakarta, and 1 for me. Pak Kemas told me that because I live in Jakarta, it was not necessary to deliver the decision letter to Kantor Wilayah - it could be delivered to Kantor Imigrasi in Central Jakarta. Sure enough, when I visited the Kantor Imigrasi in Central Jakarta, the officials in KITAS/KITAP section (Seksi Statuskim) gladly received the envelope addressed to the Kantor Wilayah.

2) On January 4, when I first attempted to pay the total fees for the ITAP (Rp 3.055.000) at the cashier in the Kantor Imigrasi in Central Jakarta, I was told that my case had not been "clicked/released" in the Immigration computer system by the officials at DitJen office (even though my decision letter had been issued on December 20). I was told to call the Ahli Status section at DitJen to request someone do this procedure. I decided to return to the Seksi Statuskim and informed those officials about the situation- one of the supervisors overheard my conversation and instructed someone to call DitJen on my behalf... within 15 minutes the issue was resolved!

3) At the beginning of the conversion process, I was told by officials in Seksi Statuskim that it was not necessary for me to provide any personal photos for the KITAP. However, this week at the final stage of the process, after my photo was taken with red background by an immigration official and saved in their computer system, I was asked "Did you bring four, 3 x 4cm passport style photos of yourself on red background?" Although I did not bring any photos, "conveniently" I was able to visit another room at that KanIm where a person with a computer & photo printer had received the earlier photo of me which could be printed out at Rp 5.000 per piece.

Now it is time to obtain the KTP OA and then the 5 year SIM!

[all4ywh]

As a new KITAP holder, I would like to clarify some things about the Kartu Keluarga (KK).

Currently my name is listed on my wife’s Kartu Kelarga (KK), in the bottom section, as only the father of our daughter. In this Forum, I have read the following 3 threads below about the KK, the most recent with posts from November 2011:
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...Kartu+Keluarga

In post #29, Atlantis wrote:

If you have a KITAP, it's not that much a question of benefits and priviledges. You MUST have it. It's mandatory by law.

So writing today in the calendar year 2012, is it mandatory by law that I, as a new KITAP holder, obtain a KK that lists me as the Kepala Keluarga with only my personal details listed in the main section, along with my wife (an Indonesian citizen) & daughter’s details listed in the bottom section?

Therefore, there will be 2 KK’s for our residence: 1 with my wife listed as Kepala Keluarga & 1 with me listed as Kepala Keluarga?

Also, this short thread about the KK from early 2009:
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...Kartu+Keluarga

Atlantis wrote:

Legally speaking, it may prove difficult for most of the foreigners. With the new law on administration population (Undang-undang nomor 23 tahun 2006 tentang administrasi kependudukan), all foreigners are forbidden to be listed on an Indonesian KK, but the one who are staying in Indonesia on a KITAP status. It is more explicitely confirmed in its article 62
Pasal 62
(1) Penduduk Warga Negara Indonesia dan Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Tetap hanya diperbolehkan terdaftar dalam 1 (satu) KK.

Since the year 2006, I am not aware of any newer law that addresses the requirement.


And another short thread about the KK from early 2009:
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...r-expat-family

[Darling]

Anyone has an experience converting first Kitas to Kitap based on the Immigration Law No. 6, tahun 2011, pasal 141 b below?

Pasal 141 b. suami atau istri dari perkawinan yang sah dengan warga negara Indonesia yang usia perkawinannya lebih dari 2 (dua) tahun dan memegang Izin Tinggal terbatas berdasarkan Undang-Undang Nomor 9 Tahun 1992 tentang Keimigrasian dapat langsung diberikan Izin Tinggal Tetap menurut ketentuan Undang-Undang ini;

We'll be celebrating our 2nd wedding anniversary this June and plan to convert our first Kitas to Kitap based the above law and wonder if that's possible and a "peraturan pemerintah" has been issued to support the new law.

Thanks for replying and sharing your experience

[davobali]

Anyone has an experience converting first Kitas to Kitap based on the Immigration Law No. 6, tahun 2011

look at post 107 etc