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    We're in the process of selling a property and agreed a price with a buyer recently. A few days later she suggested that we tell the notary that the price being paid was much lower than the real price in order to save on notary fees and the whopping 5% tax that both buyers and sellers must. pay.

    I genuinely believed that provided the price was above the NJOP (the value of the land for tax purposes) this was legal so I agreed.

    Now I learn that this is not true and that you must declare the higher of the two prices (the real price or the NJOP price) to the notary and the tax office.

    Now, of course, the buyer is upset because it means she will have to pay about another Rp25 million in tax and she is threatening to withdraw. Payment and the signing of all the agreements is due to happen tomorrow.

    I want to be honest and pay tax on the true figure but don't want to lose my buyer. (It's not an easy property to sell).

    If I declare a low price to the tax office, that will leave me having to hide hundreds of millions of rupiah.

    However, I'm an employee not a businessman, so it's not easy to explain the presence of a lot of money all of a sudden in my account if I ever get checked by the tax office. (they sent me a letter last year about a mere Rp 13 million!!) Plus I worry that if the buyer likes to flaunt the rules , and gets investigated by the tax office a trail will lead from her to me.

    I know the Indo tax office is probably not as smart as I'm thinking, but I like to sleep at night.

    So that's why I'm turning to the forum. I reckon there must be a few wordly types here who might know 'ways' to do things
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    I believe, at least in Jakarta, the 5% transfer taxes (SSP for the buyer) are computed as a function of the NJOP value. Seems logical because to do otherwise would open the process to massive and constant abuse, just of the sort suggested by your buyer. Sounds to me like it might simply be a ploy to get you to pay the buyer's tax or at least part of it. Keep in mind that there is no sanctity of contract here; the price is subject to negotiations up until the money changes hands, regardless of what's in writing.

    Notary fees and commissions, if any, are also subject to negotiation. There are some rules of thumb, but they are often completely ignored in the process of negotiating terms. If the buyer, or you for that matter, think the notary fees is excessive then ask for a lower price and be prepared to walk if you are not satisfied. Notaries are like Angkat, they are everywhere and unscrupulous for the most part.

    Good luck.
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    Not sure if this will help but I bought a house several years ago and did just this and stated that the sale price was well below the asking price. It is quite common thing to be done but at the end of the day if you are not happy pay the real price because if you have a buyer for a difficult prperty it may well be best to take the hit and that way you can sleep at night.
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    hard choice, but here they do like u said above to under reporting amount of the tax, if i were i will agree to deal with for better 1 million for the government, than nothing i thought

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    I would like to share what I know with regards to the property tax, anyone is welcome to correct me if I am wrong.

    NJOP (Nilai Jual Objek Pajak) is assessed value, you need to calculate NJOP per sqm of the land and NJOP per sqm of the construction.

    Both seller and buyer need to pay tax. The seller's tax is called Pajak Penjualan Tanah and the buyer's tax is called BPHTB (Bea Perolehan Hak Atas Tanah dan Bangunan).

    PPh: 5% x NJOP or Selling Price (whichever higher)
    BPHTB: 5% x (NJOP or Selling Price-NJOPTKP); NJOPTKP (Nilai Jual Objek Pajak Tidak Kena Pajak) is NJOP limit for land and building that are not subject to tax. It depends on the area, in Jakarta is Rp 60.000.000,-

    On top of that, seller needs to pay PPn which is taken from the buyer.
    PPN (Pajak Pertambahan Nilai): 10% x NJOP or Selling Price

    And there is also notary fee usually around 0.5%-1% of the selling price. Some people go to their camat to do their AJB (AKta Jual Beli/Sell Agreement) instead of notary. I heard that it's cheaper that way although I still need to do further research about it. Regarding the selling price, I know most people declared the sell price lower than actual price (just a little bit above NJOP or equal NJOP) so that it would give more benefit for both seller and buyer.

    When you own a property you also have to pay PBB (Pajak Bumi dan Bangunan)
    If the property value is less than Rp 1.000.000.000,-
    0.5% x 20% x (NJOP-NJOPTKP)
    If the property value is equal or more than Rp 1.000.000.000,-
    0.5% x 40% x (NJOP-NJOPTKP)

    But I would recommend you to do the proper and honest way.
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    hi nickie
    nice to join here

    and i would like to give clearly tax of selling the property for the seller is not PPh (Personal Income tax), but it is called Pajak Penjualan Tanah, it is a final tax for personal, but could be tax credit for the company.
    and for the buyer, yes its called BPHTB

    and there will be no PPN if it is second home, although u buy it from the develpment direclty (new estate)


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    Fixed! Thank you Meili
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    u're welcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickie View Post
    I would like to share what I know with regards to the property tax, anyone is welcome to correct me if I am wrong.

    NJOP (Nilai Jual Objek Pajak) is assessed value, you need to calculate NJOP per sqm of the land and NJOP per sqm of the construction.

    Both seller and buyer need to pay tax. The seller's tax is called Pajak Penjualan Tanah and the buyer's tax is called BPHTB (Bea Perolehan Hak Atas Tanah dan Bangunan).

    PPh: 5% x NJOP or Selling Price (whichever higher)
    BPHTB: 5% x (NJOP or Selling Price-NJOPTKP); NJOPTKP (Nilai Jual Objek Pajak Tidak Kena Pajak) is NJOP limit for land and building that are not subject to tax. It depends on the area, in Jakarta is Rp 60.000.000,-

    On top of that, seller needs to pay PPn which is taken from the buyer.
    PPN (Pajak Pertambahan Nilai): 10% x NJOP or Selling Price

    And there is also notary fee usually around 0.5%-1% of the selling price. Some people go to their camat to do their AJB (AKta Jual Beli/Sell Agreement) instead of notary. I heard that it's cheaper that way although I still need to do further research about it. Regarding the selling price, I know most people declared the sell price lower than actual price (just a little bit above NJOP or equal NJOP) so that it would give more benefit for both seller and buyer.

    When you own a property you also have to pay PBB (Pajak Bumi dan Bangunan)
    If the property value is less than Rp 1.000.000.000,-
    0.5% x 20% x (NJOP-NJOPTKP)
    If the property value is equal or more than Rp 1.000.000.000,-
    0.5% x 40% x (NJOP-NJOPTKP)

    But I would recommend you to do the proper and honest way.
    The NJOP is not calculated by the property owner, but by the government and provided as part of the annual property tax bill -- the PBB. If you are going to use a value greater that the NJOP to compute the SSB and SSP, I suppose there could be some calculations to break down that value between the land and improvements. But as noted again below, the NJOP in the transactions I am familiar with was always the basis for the transfer tax calculations.

    The buyer's transfer tax obligation is the Surat Setoran Bea Perolehan Hak Atas Tanah Dan Bangunan or SSB for short; the seller's tax is calls the SSP, Surat Setoran Pajak. Both are calculated as noted by Nickie, as far as I know. In the several property sales I have knowledge of, these taxes were always calculated from the NJOP as a matter of routine by the notary. Not withstanding the law, the actual sale price was never even discussed during the tax calculating phase of the deal.

    The payment of a PPn is a new one for me. None of the buyers, in the transactions I have knowledge of, were asked by the seller to pay an additional 10% to the seller or to anyone else, for that matter, as part of the sales transaction. I would like to hear more about this assessment. Is PPN (Pajak Pertambahan Nilai) assessed nationally, regionally, uniformly, or what? Is it an income tax, a property transfer tax, or something completely different?

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    hi waarmstrong, i am try best to explain these tax here

    if we bought the new property that the seller is the developer (PKP) , then we (as buyer) should pay the PPn (because it has produced an unvaluable things to be an added value things (land become building).

    for the second used home/ property, the buyer shouldn't pay the PPn anymore, Because the seller is not PKP (they use the property as their consumed needs only)

    PPn here is nationally tax (PAJAK PUSAT) same with (VAT) abroad

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