Terrorism (?)

[bintang11]

I've just been reading an article on Yahoo news:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20081106/...dba1618_1.html

and it's got me thinking... "Who are the real terrorists?"

As much as I would not like to get blown up by some psycho with a bomb in his (or her) bag, I would really not like to get shot "seven times in the head at point-blank range" by police because they 'think' I may be a terrorist!

Am I wrong in thinking that we should all be afraid of leaving the house?

Terrorists can not strike real fear into 'Joe Public' unless they first get to the people in power... AND THEY HAVE DEFINITELY DONE THAT!

With innocent bystanders being publicly executed, houses being raided on flimsy information, and the insane restrictions on what you can and can't carry on airlines (not to mention all the other B.S.), I ask again;

"WHO ARE THE REAL TERRORISTS?"

Any thoughts out there?

[TopiToo]

I have been watching the trial unravel over here, with intrest.

I am still amazed to this day that a serving police force shot Jean Charles de Menezes seven times in the head at point blank range on a public train.

And be allowed to get away with it,

The couple sitting oppsite JCM stated in court they did not hear any police warring, and the train driver ran off the train into the tunnel
thinking some terrorist group had gone on a killing spree . . .

The problem is the police chief resigned Tony Blair, so he does not have to account for action taken under his watch . . . .

[jimbo]

Why do you think YOU would be targetted as a terrorist? as opposed to the other 56 million people in the UK?

[TopiToo]

Why do you think YOU would be targetted as a terrorist? as opposed to the other 56 million people in the UK?

emm I know I would not be targetted, but then again I don't suppose
Jean Charles de Menezes thought he would be either

Not sure what your point is?, I was just responding to the statement
expressed by bingtang11

"WHO ARE THE REAL TERRORISTS?"

Any thoughts out there?

a terrorist can kill at will if caught sentenced . . the police that shot an innocent man will not be held to account for there actions,
maybe that is bingtang11 point

[indotom]

Terrorists are people that intentionally instill fear and panic. Police that accidentally kill someone are typically are not trying to instill fear, panic, or undermine the social order even though innocent people might be injured by them.

The exception would be when the public does not support a nations leaders and fear is used by offical agencies to keep political change from happening as opposed to a typical terrorist that is trying to make change happen.

[Black Adder]

Terrorists are people that intentionally instill fear and panic. Police that accidentally kill someone are typically are not trying to instill fear, panic, or undermine the social order even though innocent people might be injured by them.

The exception would be when the public does not support a nations leaders and fear is used by offical agencies to keep political change from happening as opposed to a typical terrorist that is trying to make change happen.

Tom, I believe that the true terrorists (not the brainwashed) but the masterminds that sit in the back and send a victim their death, these masterminds are just bullies with means they get a kick out of it.

Bullies may get kick out of seeing others in pain
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Brain scans of teens with a history of aggressive bullying behavior suggest that they may actually get pleasure out of seeing someone else in pain, U.S. researchers said on Friday.

While this may come as little surprise to those who have been victimized by bullies, it is not what the researchers expected, Benjamin Lahey of the University of Chicago, who worked on the study, said in a telephone interview.

"The reason we were surprised is the prevailing view is these kids are cold and unemotional in their aggression," said Lahey, whose study appears in the journal Biological Psychology.

"This is looking like maybe they care very much," said Lahey, who worked on the study with Jean Decety, also of the University of Chicago.

The researchers compared eight boys ages 16 to 18 with aggressive conduct disorder to a group of eight adolescent boys with no unusual signs of aggression.

The boys with the conduct disorder had exhibited disruptive behavior such as starting a fight, using a weapon and stealing after confronting a victim.

They showed both groups video clips of someone inflicting pain on another person and tracked brain activity with a type of imaging called functional magnetic resonance imaging, or fMRI.

In the aggressive teens, areas of the brain linked with feeling rewarded -- the amygdala and ventral striatum -- became very active when they observed pain being inflicted on others.

But they showed little activity in an area of the brain involved in self-regulation -- the medial prefrontal cortex and the temporoparietal junction -- as was seen in the control group.

"It is entirely possible their brains are lighting in the way they are because they experience seeing pain in others as exciting and fun and pleasurable," Lahey said.

"We need to test that hypothesis more, but that is what it looks like," he said.

Lahey said the differences between the two groups were strong and striking, but cautioned that the study was small and needs to be confirmed by a larger study.

[indotom]

BLACK ADDER - That's a very interesting scientific study. I Always knew some people enjoyed seeing others suffer.

We all struggle with different demons. The issue is that for a society to function efficiently. People must control their base desires that might be socially destructive. Otherwise killing, rape, theft and other untold crimes would be more common than not.

[bintang11]

Police that accidentally kill someone are typically are not trying to instill fear, panic, or undermine the social order even though innocent people might be injured by them.

I don't quite understand how shooting someone in the head at point blank range... 7 TIMES... can be called "accidental"! If it was a misfire or a stray bullet, I could possibly accept that as collateral damage, but 7 times???? How dead did they want this poor guy? People facing a firing squad only get 1 bullet!

Why do you think YOU would be targetted as a terrorist? as opposed to the other 56 million people in the UK?

emm I know I would not be targetted, but then again I don't suppose Jean Charles de Menezes thought he would be either

This is my point exactly... every time someone gets on a bus or the tube or is just walking down the street, should they be thinking to themselves, "Am I going to die today? Who's going to try to kill me... the psychos with the bombs or the officers with the guns?"
We are all the very real victims of terrorism because now we can't tell the "good guys" from the "bad guys" and we never know when or if one of them will stand in front of us.

[TopiToo]

Police that accidentally kill someone are typically are not trying to instill fear, panic, or undermine the social order even though innocent people might be injured by them.

Hello indotom

I am sorry but thats were we differ in opinion's, with regards to this case and the way the police have reported their actions to the media.
It is quite clearly that there is more to this case and the shooting dead of an innocent man, as the inquest is on going and eye witneses
(including the couple sitting opposite) are all starting to give a very different account of events in the on going inquest.

If your intrested even the pathologist is stating he was misinformed by the police.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/majo...by-police.html

I am sure the police do some very good work, but also bare in mind the best way to control a nation is to keep them in fear.
Look how Indonesia has changed since Suharto stepped down/passed away.

TopiToo

[izamarina]

I am a mum to a daughter who is in that line of duty. In that incident quoted above, upon discussions with her, I see her point in 'the so-call mistaken identity'. But to her reasonings, its an instruction in her line of duty, her job as ordered by her superiors. A split second could mean her own life, yes she is one of the 56 million in the UK. If it is clearly the case of mistaken identity, although they cant bring him back, I believe his family should receive compensation for his death. To lose a son or daughter in any case is unthinkable, but to have a son/daughter who puts his/her life at risks doing a job against terrorism, I am proud of my girl, but still panic and wait for her news that she is home safe.