KITAS sponsored by an Indonesian wife of a foreign husband.

[atlantis]

Hope you forgive my ignorance. Just few questions more:
1. Can you exactly quote the law (number, date, name) for the Kitas istri please

Peraturan menteri Hukum dan HAM RI nomor M.01-IZ.01.10 tahun 2007 tentang perubahan kedua atas keputusan menteri kehakiman RI nomor M.02-IZ.01.10 tahun 1995 tentang visa singgah, visa kunjungan, visa tinggal terbatas, izin masuk dan izin keimigrasian"

The modified article 67 reads now:

Pasal 67
(1) Alih Status Izin Kunjungan menjadi Izin Tinggal Terbatas dapat diberikan kepada
orang asing dalam rangka:
a. menanamkan modal;
b. bekerja sebagai tenaga kerja ahli;
c. bekerja sebagai pimpinan perusahaan;
d. melaksanakan tugas sebagai rohaniwan;
e. mengikuti pendidikan dan pelatihan;
f. mengadakan penelitian ilmiah;
g. menggabungkan diri dengan suami atau istri warga negara Indonesia;
h. menggabungkan diri dengan suami atau istri pemegang Izin Tinggal Terbatas atau
Izin Tinggal Tetap;
i. menggabungkan diri dengan orang tua pemegang Izin Tinggal Terbatas atau Izin
Tinggal Tetap bagi anak yang berumur di bawah 18 (delapan belas) tahun dan

belum kawin;

Point g is the one which is of interests to you. It means that a foreigner can change his/her status from a visit visa to a temporary stay permit (read KITAS) for the reason of joining his/her indonesian spouse.

The right of having a KITAS if you are married with an Indonesan spouse is guaranteed by the citizenship law (undang undang nomor 12 tahun 2006 tentang kewarganegaraan RI)

2. If I get sponsored by my wife and want to go abroad, do I need this Multiple exit-reentry permit?

Yes you do.

3. How often I must renew this kind of KITAS?

Yearly

5. When does it become permanent, meaning not longer to be extended?

After 2 full years in Indonesia (ie KITAS ke 3), you can apply for a KITAP which is valid for 5 years. However, there is still controversies about this rule and you will have to fight hard to get it enforced. Many KanIm will requst 5 years in a row on the same KITAS before approving a KITAP. A KITAP is valid 5 years without needing a renewal.
Only indonesian citizenship could allow you not to have to renew your immigration status. Being married with an Indonesan wife wouldbe a very good way to reach this goal...

[Dr. Michael Beer]

.Please,could any of the immigration gurus get this link working - it gives error messages:
http://www.imigrasi.go.id/popUp.inc....detail&faqId=3
2. I just returned back from Imigrasi Singaraja, Bali. They have an "official" fee-liste, but it shows e.g. for 1 year Exit-Re-Entry Rp 1,750.000...Does anybody have a REAL one? Would this be valid for whole RI? It should be...
3. ad 19) What police MAIN Resort is meant, where I can get issued the SKLD? Would this be for Bali the district I live or the Headquarter in Denpasar. Could you please state the exact name.
Very grateful

Last but not least: is there - like in other countries - a website where you can download the formulir needed? It would make a lot of help, I have to travel anyway around 120km.

[atlantis]

.Please,could any of the immigration gurus get this link working - it gives error messages:
http://www.imigrasi.go.id/popUp.inc....detail&faqId=3

I am not sure to understand what you mean here
You may want to send an email directly to the imigrasi. None of the users here are working for Imigrasi either.

2. I just returned back from Imigrasi Singaraja, Bali. They have an "official" fee-liste, but it shows e.g. for 1 year Exit-Re-Entry Rp 1,750.000...Does anybody have a REAL one? Would this be valid for whole RI? It should be...

The official fee list that regulates immigration fees is obviously valid for the whole territory of Indonesia. The exact reference for the law is: Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 19 tahun 2007 and you can download it by clicking on the link. Look at the roman numbers VII.
The price for an Izin Masuk Kembali are:
1. IDR 200.000 for a single entry Izin Masuk Kembali
2. IDR 600.000 for a multiple entry Izin Msuk Kembali valid 6 months
3. IDR 1.000.000 for a multiple entry Izin Msuk Kembali valid 1 year.
4. IDR 1.750.000 for a multiple entry Izin Msuk Kembali valid 2 years.

With a KITAS index 317 or 319 (I don't remenber what is your Index of KITAS, but from what I recall it is either a retirement KITAS - 319 - or a KITAS sponsored by your Indonesian wife - 317... Correct?) only the number 1., 2. or 3. are available to you.

3. ad 19) What police MAIN Resort is meant, where I can get issued the SKLD? Would this be for Bali the district I live or the Headquarter in Denpasar. Could you please state the exact name.

I refer to the POLDA office of the place you live. Unfortunately I do not have any address for Bali or any other city in Indonesia, but the city where I live. Kindly ask to a local to point you the Kantor POLDA.

Last but not least: is there - like in other countries - a website where you can download the formulir needed? It would make a lot of help, I have to travel anyway around 120km.

Erm... I am afraid that you won't have such website in Indonesia available before a few years. I may even be optimistic with this statement.

[beebop]

I plan to apply for a kitas next week but i have 2 issues that i hope someone can give me advice on.

1. My wife is not in possession of her KTP Due to previous problems we had when trying to get our marriage certificate. She is applying now to get it back but the forms were lost by tiki during delivery and now the procedure has to start all over again. Can we get away with a photocopy of the KTP?

2. The bank refuses to give us a bank statement because the account is still new. The account in question is a time deposito so i cant just close it and go to another bank. Can we use the BILYET DEPOSITO BERJANGKA That was issued to us when we opened the account to show to immigration?

Thanks for any advice that you can give.

[atlantis]

My wife is not in possession of her KTP Due to previous problems we had when trying to get our marriage certificate. She is applying now to get it back but the forms were lost by tiki during delivery and now the procedure has to start all over again. Can we get away with a photocopy of the KTP?

You can try, but for this matter it is not sure that it works. It belongs to KanIm to check all documents for a first issuance of a KITAS and they should normally check the original one. However, they may well be happy just with a copy of it. Hard to predict. Just try and keep handy your wife's passport just in case.

The bank refuses to give us a bank statement because the account is still new. The account in question is a time deposito so i cant just close it and go to another bank. Can we use the BILYET DEPOSITO BERJANGKA That was issued to us when we opened the account to show to immigration?

It will do fine. Any prove that you have money enough to live in Indonesia is suitable. Give the copy of it, but keep wth you th orgina in case they wanna se it.
By the way, I am in France, but I am gonna ask my wife to contact your wife regarding our PMs. I'll do it before the beginning of June.

[beebop]

The foreigner goes to his local KanIm (no mandatory waiting period of 4 months), along with his indonesian wife to apply for the conversion of his izin kunjungan in an ITAS. (Pasal 47 & Pasal 48* PP nomor 32 thn 1994)

Can someone please show me where i can find this law, especially something that says that i no longer need to wait 4 months. I need to print it to show the kanim. They insist that we have to leave the country and return using visa 317. When i tell them i want to process my kitas from within indonesia, they say that the process can only begin once my sosbud has been extended 4 times (not 4 months, but 4 times) which means that my sosbud will expire anyway and i will have to leave the country anyway. I know this means they dont know what they doing and also tactics to force us to do their way, but i honestly dont know how to aproach them without any official laws to force them to process my kitas.
I feel that it will be easier to just do it their way by exiting the country to singapore and enter back again using visa 317 but i first want to try quoting the law to them to see what kind of response i can get. The reason i want to also be a bit forcefull with them is because my wifes passport is expired, so if we gonna do it the way immigration want, its going to involve alot more stress for us trying to apply a new passport for my wife since we dont have all the papers needed to do that either.
Many thanks to all those who assist us.

[atlantis]

Can someone please show me where i can find this law, especially something that says that i no longer need to wait 4 months. I need to print it to show the kanim. They insist that we have to leave the country and return using visa 317. When i tell them i want to process my kitas from within indonesia, they say that the process can only begin once my sosbud has been extended 4 times (not 4 months, but 4 times) which means that my sosbud will expire anyway and i will have to leave the country anyway.

They refer wrongly to the old article 48 of the Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 32 tahun 1994. It has been amended in 2005... but they are still unaware of it.

PM me an email address and I will forward you any text of law you need and highlight the articles you need to show 'em. Be cool when you "teach" them the law... they usually don't like it when a foreigner teach them what they should normally be aware of. Show them the old article, which by the way did not required 4 extensions of izin kunjungan but 4 months of stay, and the new article. Be polite and cool and your application will go through.

[beebop]

18[/FONT][/COLOR][/B]. The foreigner has to go to his Kantor Lurah to get a Surat keterengan domisili stating his formal address in Indonesia and he should bring this letter to his Catatan Sipil to get a SKTT (Surat Keterangan Tempat Tinggal), a SKPPS (surat keterengan pendaftaran penduduk sementara) and a SKDLN (Surat Keterengan Datang dari Luar Negeri). A foreigner staying on a KITAS MUST register at the Capil for the above documents. It will help smothen a KITAP procedure later. In fact, chances are that the CaPil compil the three documents and issue a nice greenish card attesting your residency and registration as a temporary resident for the length of the KITAS. Fees for it are defined by Peraturan Daerah and varies depending on each kota/kabupaten. It shouldn't cost more than IDR 150K.
Be careful you have 14 days to do so after the date of issuance of the KITAS (Pasal 20, undang undang 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan) to register. Failure to do so in time would expose you to a fine of a maximum of IDR 2.000K (Pasal 89, undang undang 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan).
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I tried to get this step done today but it seems that things have changed or im really running around like a lost fart.

First of all the capil told us that the letter from the lurah is not needed which makes me pissed because it took half a day to get done. The second thing they told us is that SKPPS does not exist anymore and has been replaced by KIP (kartu ijin penduduk) which should be done at immigration but can also be done at capil. We paid 30,000 rupiah for it and got an official receipt and we can collect it next week. It looks like an id card.
The SKTT can then be processed only after receiving the KIP and is processed by the lura (not capil).
SKDLN does not exist anymore.
Well thats what they told me today. The whole process has changed or i have seriously gone in the wrong direction? I hope im not wrong because im gonna have to seek professional help to get anything done after this. My head is spinning.
Also step 18 should be done before step 17 because there is no need to have SKLD in order to get all of the above and also because of the 14 day time limit to get it done or you face paying a 5 million rupiah fine and not 2 million as stated. There is a big warning notice on the wall at the capil.

[atlantis]

I tried to get this step done today but it seems that things have changed or im really running around like a lost fart.

First of all the capil told us that the letter from the lurah is not needed which makes me pissed because it took half a day to get done. The second thing they told us is that SKPPS does not exist anymore and has been replaced by KIP (kartu ijin penduduk) which should be done at immigration but can also be done at capil. We paid 30,000 rupiah for it and got an official receipt and we can collect it next week. It looks like an id card.
The SKTT can then be processed only after receiving the KIP and is processed by the lura (not capil).
SKDLN does not exist anymore.
Well thats what they told me today. The whole process has changed or i have seriously gone in the wrong direction? I hope im not wrong because im gonna have to seek professional help to get anything done after this. My head is spinning.
Also step 18 should be done before step 17 because there is no need to have SKLD in order to get all of the above and also because of the 14 day time limit to get it done or you face paying a 5 million rupiah fine and not 2 million as stated. There is a big warning notice on the wall at the capil.

Beebop,
Things hasn't change. SKPPS, SKDLN and SKTT are all madatory by law (UU nomor 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan). However, only the SKTT is of importance. The two others are just administrative steps performed by the CaPil before issuance of a SKTT. Administration of population is organised by the cities/regencies and procedures are elaborated in regional regulation (peraturan daerah), as I wrote you once. Peraturan daerah must however remain in the frame given by the law (Undang-Undang). The core text for it is the Undang-Undang nomor 23 tahun 2006 tentang administrasi kependudukan. It happens then that slight variations occur from place to place, be it in the procedure (you need this paper rather than this one, more or less pics...etc) or in the fees requested. But as I said these variations should remain in the frame of the law and the result should be always the same and more important comply with the law. An example: a IDR 5.000.000 fine is illegal. The article 89 of the Undang-Undang nomor 23 tahun 2006 stipulates that the fine is of a maximum of IDR 2.000.000 for a foreigner. Here is the correct article:

Pasal 89
(1) Setiap Penduduk dikenai sanksi administratif berupa denda apabila melampaui batas waktu pelaporan Peristiwa Kependudukan dalam hal:
a. pindah datang bagi Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Terbatas atau Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Tetap sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 17 ayat (3);
b. pindah datang ke luar negeri bagi Penduduk Warga Negara Indonesia sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 18 ayat (3);
c. pindah datang dari luar negeri bagi Penduduk Warga Negara Indonesia sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 19 ayat (1);
d. pindah datang dari luar negeri bagi Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Terbatas sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 20 ayat (1):
e. perubahan status Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Terbatas menjadi Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Tetap sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 21 ayat (1);
f. pindah ke luar negeri bagi Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Terbatas atau Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Tetap sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 22 ayat (1);
g. perubahan KK sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 62 ayat (2): atau
h. perpanjangan KTP sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 63 ayat (4).
(2) Denda administratif sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) terhadap Penduduk Warga Negara Indonesia paling banyak Rp.1.000.000.00 (satu juta rupiah) dan Penduduk Orang Asing paling banyak Rp.2.000.000,00 (dua juta rupiah).
(3) Ketentuan lebih lanjut mengenai penetapan Benda administratif sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (2) diatur dalam Peraturan Presiden .

Now about SKPPS and SKDLN,
SKPPS = Certificate of registration as a temporary resident/Surat Keterangan Pendaftaran Penduduk Sementara - they can decide to modify the name to be KIP if they want to do so... Result is the same: registering people as resident. They give you a card for it... Good. One more to be stored. KIP and SKPPS are the same...
SKDLN= Certificate of coming from a foreign country/Surat Keterangan Datang dari Luar Negeri

For these two, cards are rarely issued (I remenber I had one -SKPPS- a few years ago however) but the Catatan Sipil will automocally register you in the two relevant books. They are the first step of the issuance of a SKTT (which is a certificate of residence). Indeed, they could not issue you such certificate without having first registered you i) as coming from abroad and ii) as a temporary resident, couldn't they? In point 18, I wrote: "chances are that the CaPil compil the three documents and issue a nice greenish card attesting your residency and registration as a temporary resident for the length of the KITAS". The nice greenish card is the SKTT (at least when the CaPil has received the card, don't be alarmed if they only remit you an informal document... It happens sometimes...).
Cards are always more expensive than informal documents. The less card you have, the more money you have in your pocket as a general rule...
Just concentrate on the SKTT.
The SKTT should be issued by the CaPil directly or indirectly (in this case, as you noted, it seems to be the lurah which will deal with it) and should be signed by the Kepala Dinas Kependudukan dan Catatan Sipil.

You have to get used to it Beebop. things will never be exactly the same than on the paper in indonesia. It is sometimes a bit difficult at the beginning for people coming from more administrative countries to ajust. But ultimately you will. KIP or SKPPS, lurah or Capil, you will come accross a few variations in your journey through Indonesian administration, but at the end, you will find that these variations have no or almost no significance. Just remenber the two important things that are listed in point 17 & 18:
17. SKLD
18. SKTT

The only delay to really respect is the one for the SKLD (it is one of the reason I "rank" it before the SKTT. Police will try their best to look for trouble if someone is late to register. They are the "emergency", once a KITAS is issued. CaPil, to my knowledge, don't give a toss, even if one is 3 months late for a SKTT. The CaPil, if they would really comply with th law should ask you your SKLD (or the receipt of it if it is in process) because the SKTT that they deliver you is a recognition that you are administratively a resident living in the boundary of the city/regency, that you are administratively lengkap and that you complied with all your administrative obligations (Imigrasi with the KITAS and Police with the SKLD). If they want to issue a SKTT without having verified that you have both a KITAS and a SKLD, this is their "right"... but they miss the point of the whole function they have: administrating the population and compiling datas.

Just take it easy, and make sure you go out of any of the relevant administration with the three important document:
Imigrasi: KITAS
Police: SKLD
City/Regency: SKTT


The rest is secondary...

I hope I was complete in my explanations but if something is unclear, feel free to ask on the board.

[Nescio]

Hello everyone,

I'm new to this Forum and am I glad I found it! I've spent the last couple of days browsing the forum and couldn't believe the amount of light shedding information I encountered.

Atlantis: first of all thanks for all your time and energy you spend to provide us with all this valuable information!

Allow me a few questions on the 'Keputusan DitJen' phase of obtaining a KITAS ikut istri.

From most posts discussing this issue I understood that I need to go to JKT myself to pick up the Keputusan DitJen for my KITAS (or send someone else holding a surat kuasa khusus from me), but one of your remark to Al.Gray in this thread (page 5, 31-01-09) made me unsure about this:

Quote -
"...you will have to go (better your wife, they won't deal with you) to pick it up...Alternatively your wife can sign a Surat Kuasa to anyone to pick it up..."

• Unquote

1. I understand here now that it is to be preferred that my wife deals with the Sub-Direktorat Alih Status Keimigrasian because chances are I will be ignored by them. Is this right?

2. If so, and as apparantly she can sign a surat Kuasua to others, does my wife then need a "Surat Kuasa Khusus" from me?

3. If so, how/where to obtain this Surat Kuasa, do I need to go to a notaris in order to get a legal one, or are there other ways to produce it?

4. Do you have a template of this "Surat Kuasa Khusus" available?

Almost last, if possible I would like to receive a copy of the law that deals with the (amended) mandatory 4 month waiting period that the KanIms so desparately cling on to.

Last but not least, fighting or writing if my KanIm chooses to keep ignoring the amended article despite the fact that I hold a copy of the Law I so patiently try to 'teach' them? …uhmm, as my patience like my desired KITAS has batas, I prefer writing ;-) What would you do?

Thanks in advance!

Nescio.