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    Hi there!

    Wondering if anyone out here is into airsoft/is interested in getting into airsoft?

    I'm a 22 year old Indonesian studying in Brisbane (HS in Toronto, first two years of college there too), but I've recently returned to my native JAKSEL for the summer break so will be here quite a while.

    Been getting into the airsoft scene again (I haven't played in years) and a couple of my friends studying abroad who are due to return soon and I have been talking about establishing a sort of casual English speaking airsoft team/group/community whatever.

    For a variety of reasons, we no longer speak Indonesian (especially bahasa gaul) properly, which is a huge problem as communication is key to playing airsoft properly. It tends to create awkward situations on the field lol (and more than a few cases of friendly fire).

    So far I've gotten my hands on a Magpul PTS PDR-C while my old M4 is being dusted off (new springs and maybe a new motor, trying to bump up that RoF), and I've managed to make contact with some of the local teams (Tim Mars at Cinere who hold open skirmishes every Saturday afternoon, and Saigon Fields in East Jakarta every Sunday). Played with Tim Mars last Saturday which was a lot of fun, and plan to play again this Saturday and also on Sunday to check out Saigon.

    Anyways, hope to hear from someone out there! Can be reached through email at [email protected] (also works for Google Hangouts IM), or just with a reply here! And feel free to ask any airsoft questions if it sounds like something that interests you!

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    What are the laws about marker ownership in Indonesia. Especially paintball and to a degree airsoft. Are individuals allowed to own them? I keep seeing news of airsoft non firearms are being confiscated. Worse, being used to shoot people and cars? I mean why are people so afraid of airsoft guns? Sure it hurt and it can poke your eye out. But come on...

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    • #3
      A friend of mine is heavy into airsoft. IIRC cops have some sort of licensing scheme for the sport, under the umbrella of Perbakin (Shooters Association of Indonesia). I gotta ask though.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by rabbit_39 View Post
        What are the laws about marker ownership in Indonesia. Especially paintball and to a degree airsoft. Are individuals allowed to own them? I keep seeing news of airsoft non firearms are being confiscated. Worse, being used to shoot people and cars? I mean why are people so afraid of airsoft guns? Sure it hurt and it can poke your eye out. But come on...
        Paintball guns are definitely legal, as far as I can tell, there's no regulation surrounding them nor scrutiny by law enforcement (ironic as they are often used by law enforcement and military in less lethal capacity)

        Now airsoft guns, short answer, they are legal. Ownership of them is legal. And purchasing of them is legal. But, there are a lot of caveats surrounding them.

        Some of it is the obvious stuff (restrict usage onto airsoft fields/reaction shooting fields), not to be used for anything else but sports, etc But there's also stuff about how the police exercise total discretion for confiscating them on basis of probable cause, like, perpetually.

        As far as seizures goes, there's also a lot of confusion regarding airguns and airsoft guns (the former shoot metal pellets at 500 feet per a second ++ that you usually see for hunting, the latter shoot only plastic pellets at speeds of at most 420 feet per second - while factory speeds are more around 350 feet per second).

        Air guns have their own set of regulations, for obvious reasons. So often a lot of it is the media using the term air gun and airsoft interchangeably.

        Another aspect when it comes to airsoft guns is that a lot of the shops selling them have done the usual customs/duties evasion thing, and so often get raided for reasons more related to tax code than anything to do with airsoft laws.

        I think a lot of it has to do with some genuine concern about people passing off airsoft guns as real in criminal activities, a lack of understanding of how harmless they are (if you pop one open, its dishearteningly harmless lol), and a social stigma against an "armed" citizenry or of civilian involvement in anything vaguely military or paramilitary (that last bit may sound like some right wing Fox News soundbite, but even as a center left liberal, I think in the case of Indonesia, its kinda real =P)

        Do you play paintball? I remember there was a field in I want to say the Lipo Karawachi area? I'm not so sure now, it was a while ago, or if its still standing even

        Originally posted by Nimbus View Post
        A friend of mine is heavy into airsoft. IIRC cops have some sort of licensing scheme for the sport, under the umbrella of Perbakin (Shooters Association of Indonesia). I gotta ask though.
        Yup! This is also a good way of going the extra mile on it. I've got one, its called the KTA (got one last last week), and it basically says you're in this club that is affiliated with Perbakin. From what I can tell, it isn't really necessary it seems (nobody in my game last Saturday had it for example, and they've been at it for years now apparently), but it is definitely a good way to cover your bases as the card offers some legitimacy and the club provides legal help as a contingency (costed me 600,000 for an annual membership).

        Did you play yourself Nimbus?

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        • #5
          Actually I used to shoot competitively (as an amateur) for different types of firearms (handgun, rifle, and skeet), airguns (pellet rifles) and paintball. While I was slightly more than decent, my talent lies more in the repair of most types of paintball markers, most airguns, and some firearms. I delved a bit into airsoft but enjoyed paintball much more. And I really enjoyed plinking with .22 and .17HMR and target shooting with several centerfire calibers.

          So I can go to a paintball store and buy a mask and marker and start playing? Ditto with airsoft. Bringing in my used paintball markers from the US is probably more difficult?

          What are the regulations surrounding ownership of airguns (pellet rifles and pistols)? I would love to get back into routine practice again. Although I would really love getting into shooting .22s and 9mms again on a regular basis too, but I think it's too expensive?

          Thanks for the explanation about the confusion between a real firearm, airsoft and airguns. While airguns are significantly more dangerous than an airsoft, I still don't understand the absolute fear that people treat them with. And this is coming from a guy who've owned .177 rifles spitting 14 grain pellets at over 1000fps, and .22 and .25 rifles at over 800fps. And I've shot a 9mm compressed air as well.

          I used to play pretty extensively, but I was never into the hype of the latest and greatest semis. My hobby was more in the older classics and pumps, although I also owned several semis including autocockers and angels. But I really loved my CCI Phantom and my Sheridan KP-3 among many others.

          Maybe I should get the KTA as well. We'll see.

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          • #6
            Oh that's pretty cool. I've always wanted to shoot real steel, but haven't gotten around to it much (the expenses can get pretty crazy). I don't remember exactly how much, but I remember walking into the Perbakin shooting range at Senayan intending to try shooting up a couple of .22s with rented rifles, and it was reaaaaaally expensive (they also offered some 9mms for an even pricier cost). But if you actually join the club, and bulk it out by enrolling in their courses, I believe its actually a lot cheaper, but with my school still going on I usually find I don't have the time to commit just yet. If you've got the time to commit straight away to the long term, I believe you beat the expenses down.

            Oh that's pretty cool, I know paintball markers don't operate too differently from gas blowback airsoft rifles, did you try messing around with electrical airsoft or the gas ones? And same, ahaha, I really enjoy the tech aspect of airsoft and projectile stuff in general - I'm doing my own rate of fire upgrade to my M4, and I'm trying to hitch it to a microcontroller for some "gunmettry" lol (my background is Mechatronics) and I used to be into spud cannons. I'd love to get into paintball, but it seems so pricey compared to airsoft (and the community doesn't seem as large, as far as I can tell), but I feel like paintball is a lot more sporty and competitive it feels (and its nice that theres a little more objectivity in hits with paintball)

            Originally posted by rabbit_39 View Post
            [COLOR=#333333]So I can go to a paintball store and buy a mask and marker and start playing? Ditto with airsoft. Bringing in my used paintball markers from the US is probably more difficult?[/COLOR]
            Yeah. With paintball there seems to be almost no scrutiny at all from a legal standpoint, and yeah you could just straight away pick up all you need and immediately head out for some games. I'm going to try looking into that too actually, I'm not actually sure where the paintball community is, but I assume it'd have to be out there somewhere, but I think its not as big as the airsoft community.

            With airsoft, it's the same same thing, save that the police reserve total discretion in confiscating your airsoft unit under probable cause (without having to charge the owner with a crime, and without the owner having even committed a crime or being suspected of having committed one). They can just do so if they feel they need to. I guess it can be thought of as perfectly legal, just under broad, vague, ad hoc regulations. The KTA mitigates this essentially, is my understanding. They won't arrest you either way though (unless you of course do something stupid like rob a store with one lol)

            I believe with airguns you are just required to go through the PERBAKIN channels, I'm afraid I'm not really sure as I've never really gotten into it =( But the regulation is a lot tighter.

            Though Blok M Mall (or was it Blok M Plaza? The big mall) has an air gun shooting range if you'd like to give it a try. I believe its 35,000 for 100 pellets, and they have a selection of CO2 types in addition to the the usual air rifles

            I think its cultural and historical, that fear. Here the opposition to it has a degree of right wing narrative to me. There's an almost taboo attitude with anyone breaking the monopoly of the police/military on anything firearms related, that's definitely autocratic in motivation. It is often presented as public safety, but I think the real opposition to it is just the police/military complex being imparted with a legacy that feels undermined by any idea of an "armed" citizenry. I think thats why theres such a disparity of fussiness in the treatment of airsoft guns and paintball guns, despite the latter's more realized potential in practical self defense. Its just the former clicks a little too close to the imagery the military and police feel they are entitled exclusively to. I mean whenever you hear those stories about the military getting into fights with the police (and I mean police officers brawling with and/or shooting up soldiers and vice versa), that's what's really happening. But that's just my theory xD

            Oooh those look pretty cool. Yeah I think it might be too much of a hassle to import your old ones from the US though, you're probably better off trying to just buy it here. I'm not sure where you can find a paintball store, I don't believe I've even seen one yet. But I think the paintball field in Lipo Karawachi is still open, and I know there's a paintball field at Ancol too.

            I imagine if you end up practicing with real steel and getting the appropriate permits as you seem intent to with PERBAKIN, it should cover air gun ownership too ahaha

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Derryl View Post

              Yup! This is also a good way of going the extra mile on it. I've got one, its called the KTA (got one last last week), and it basically says you're in this club that is affiliated with Perbakin. From what I can tell, it isn't really necessary it seems (nobody in my game last Saturday had it for example, and they've been at it for years now apparently), but it is definitely a good way to cover your bases as the card offers some legitimacy and the club provides legal help as a contingency (costed me 600,000 for an annual membership).

              Did you play yourself Nimbus?
              I used to play indoor airsoft many winters ago, with a tricked out AEG G36C that spit out bb's almost twice the factory rate. These days I'm trying to get better with real guns. It's convenient that guns aren't nearly as restricted in USA compared to Indonesia.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Nimbus View Post
                I used to play indoor airsoft many winters ago, with a tricked out AEG G36C that spit out bb's almost twice the factory rate. These days I'm trying to get better with real guns. It's convenient that guns aren't nearly as restricted in USA compared to Indonesia.
                Check out "22plinkster" on Youtube.
                Sight picture, trigger control and breathing...What I wouldn't do to get back into cowboy shooting and plinking again.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by rabbit_39 View Post
                  Check out "22plinkster" on Youtube.
                  Sight picture, trigger control and breathing...What I wouldn't do to get back into cowboy shooting and plinking again.
                  I'm not into single action six shooters, and I'm nowhere near good enough to do trick shots. For shooting I'm doing the fundamental self defense stuff first, like the Mozambique drill and mag dump to the head silhouette. They're basic techniques, but many people at the range I go to struggle to do even that, their B-27 targets look like they've been hit by a shotgun even though pistols are used...

                  Last month I went to an Appleseed event, and I was 5 points away from getting the Rifleman patch using almost-stock 10/22 and cheap Aguila ammo. I was too green to correct for 3 MOA drift when the barrel got warm, and I got a dud during the last qualification session. Oh well, still not bad for my first ever extended shoot with a rifle, I can only get better.
                  http://appleseedinfo.org/

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                  • #10
                    Cool. Good luck man. Practice practice practice. A brick of .22 and green army men was my recipe. Hehehe

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                    • #11
                      A brick of .22 is about $50 now, and that's the cheapest where I live. Preppers with tin foil hats got antsy and stockpiled .22s when Obama got re-elected, thinking TEOTWAWKI is coming, and that .22 is the most cost-effective round for survival. It went from dirt cheap to (at one time) 9mm-priced. I'm glad that I didn't have any use for .22 then.

                      Maybe I should buy a case now while it's available, as the dorks are bound to buy everything again at the first hint of Clinton II getting elected.

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                      • #12
                        Thank you for bringing this subject up Derryl.

                        Like rabbit, I used to be a paintball player. My first marker and my darling was a phantom which I got modified to accept cocker threaded barrels. Other mods included a modified feeder to fit regular hoppers and polished internals for smoother action. With the help of an aftermarket regulator I could achieve constant 290 fps (the safe limit is 300 fps).

                        Then one day I held an Eclipse Ego semi auto marker: it was lighter than my phantom (i didn't know it was possible) and blew me away. I bought one but didn't get to enjoy it as much because life got in the way and I stopped playing a short while after.

                        All of this was a while ago and my gear is long sold.

                        I'm quite interested in airsoft actually but I'm not too hot on the whole military style (with paintball I used to play the competitive style, not the woods style). But I don't discount it entirely and still find it cool to watch. My worry is ever being caught with an airsoft gun in Indonesia as a foreigner. Since the cops can just seize nilly willy, I'm pretty sure they would jump at the opportunity of making troubles to yet another bule who dares carrying firearms replicas. What do you think?

                        Back to paintball, I live in BSD and it looks like they're planning on building an extreme sports Park which includes 2 paintball fields (superball kind).
                        Last edited by El_Goretto; 12-11-15, 09:51.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by El_Goretto View Post
                          Thank you for bringing this subject up Derryl.

                          Like rabbit, I used to be a paintball player. My first marker and my darling was a phantom which I got modified to accept cocker threaded barrels. Other mods included a modified feeder to fit regular hoppers and polished internals for smoother action. With the help of an aftermarket regulator I could achieve constant 290 fps (the safe limit is 300 fps).

                          Then one day I held an Eclipse Ego semi auto marker: it was lighter than my phantom (i didn't know it was possible) and blew me away. I bought one but didn't get to enjoy it as much because life got in the way and I stopped playing a short while after.

                          All of this was a while ago and my gear is long sold.

                          I'm quite interested in airsoft actually but I'm not too hot on the whole military style (with paintball I used to play the competitive style, not the woods style). But I don't discount it entirely and still find it cool to watch. My worry is ever being caught with an airsoft gun in Indonesia as a foreigner. Since the cops can just seize nilly wildly, I'm pretty sure they would jump at the opportunity of making troubles to yet another bule who dares carrying firearms replicas. What do you think?

                          Back to paintball, I live in BSD and it looks like they're planning on building an extreme sports Park which includes 2 paintball fields (superball kind).
                          Like everything in Indonesia it's who you know. If you're serious into Airsoft and join a team who has a colonel or a general's son in it, cops are gonna give you a wide berth. As far as I know if you participate in an organized event (with fees) the organizers will take care that the appropriate 'protection' funds are distributed.

                          I'll be in JKT for the next couple of weeks, and I'll probably meet a high school buddy who's heavy into airsoft. If you're interested I'll see if he can hook you up.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Nimbus View Post
                            Like everything in Indonesia it's who you know. If you're serious into Airsoft and join a team who has a colonel or a general's son in it, cops are gonna give you a wide berth. As far as I know if you participate in an organized event (with fees) the organizers will take care that the appropriate 'protection' funds are distributed.

                            I'll be in JKT for the next couple of weeks, and I'll probably meet a high school buddy who's heavy into airsoft. If you're interested I'll see if he can hook you up.
                            Thank you for your insight.

                            I don't really have time to get involved in it at the moment. If I do, it would probably be next year but I'd much rather go back into paintball.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by El_Goretto View Post
                              Thank you for your insight.

                              I don't really have time to get involved in it at the moment. If I do, it would probably be next year but I'd much rather go back into paintball.
                              I understand.

                              While I was really into the military theme, now I'm not much into it. Gizmos that shoot out stuff (especially if they go bang) still interest me very much, but I don't enjoy dressing up all tactical anymore. I dunno, this is probably because I have grown to dislike the paranoid militia special-forces-wannabes commonly found hanging around gun owner circles, who are itching for an excuse to shoot real people while being too weak, too fat or too cowardly to actually enlist into the military. It has gotten to the point where I consciously avoid 'tactical' branded clothing and look. Being armed doesn't make me one of 'them'.

                              Rant over.

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