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  • Originally posted by wisnupurwanto View Post
    JS,
    How much you paid in belgium?
    I just stopped by at Schipol SEE BUY FLY, their price of this camera € 1169.00
    and in the city, the price is € 1299.00 w/ SD card bonus - more expensive than Jakarta.

    The See Buy Fly is never really interesting. It's easy to find cheaper deals online and even in ordinary stores. For perfumes etc.; the shops like Paris XL will give you 17% discount. Wine is cheaper (and often better) in supermarkets. Etc.

    For the Olympus I paid €1199,- without SD card.

    So that means with the VAT refund (21% in Belgium, 19% in NL), I will have paid €947

    Also, there is a 2 year warranty (mandatory in EU).

    Be careful with the Global Blue shops; yes it's easier since you get your sales tax returned immediately at the airport. However, they charge quite a lot and that is paid by the customer, not the store. So then you'll end up with a much smaller refund.

    Still looking for a nice retro bag. They currently only have the black leather for + €130.
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    • I can't find on-line shop in holland selling less than the retail price €1299
      unfortunately with only 2 days, I didn't have time to check the ordinary store;
      let wait hope the price will drop on next trip next month,

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      • For your leather case, check this out: http://www.ebay.es/itm/280883669613?...fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

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        • Thanks El_G.

          Originally posted by wisnupurwanto View Post
          I can't find on-line shop in holland selling less than the retail price €1299
          In the Netherlands the BTW (VAT, sales tax) is lower, 19%. So the €1299 would set you back 12,25 mio IDR. (11,95 mio in Belgium). For me the two year warranty was an important factor (and I'm a lot in Europe anyway).

          In France the camera is advertised for €999 btw. That's 'nu' (no lense). That could be interesting for when you return...But you need to figure out the 'hors TVA' then. With lens it's €1199 too (e.g. FNAC).

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          • [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=4]Troubled Olympus set to cut 2,500 jobs and sell off a stake[/SIZE]

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            [COLOR=#6A748D][FONT=Georgia]THURSDAY 31 MAY 2012[/FONT][/COLOR]


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            [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Georgia]Japan's scandal-hit cameras and equipment firm Olympus gave more evidence it is struggling yesterday as it signalled plans to axe 2500 staff and sell a stake to Sony or Panasonic.


            [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Georgia][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Georgia]Olympus, whose former chief executive Michael Woodford blew the whistle on a £1bn-plus fraud last year, admitted it needed to bolster its finances. Mr Woodford this week won a £10m out-of-court settlement over his dismissal.

            About 7 per cent of the global workforce is facing the chop, mainly in its loss-making cameras division. Olympus is pinning its hopes for recovery on its market-leading global position in medical diagnostic endoscopes. The group is expected to unveil its restructuring on 8 June. The electronics giants Sony and Panasonic are reportedly the leading contenders for a stake, with talk they would pay several hundred million pounds for 10 per cent .

            Sony and Panasonic played down the speculation that they are interested. Japan, which is not used to a culture of brutal job cuts, is facing a wave of corporate strife. Big companies are looking to cut costs amid weak global demand.
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            • So Jstar, how do you like your OM-D? I've just come back from a month long trip to Europe and I really enjoyed using the camera through out the trip (except the part where my camera was somewhere in Quimper airport while I was in Paris due to misplacement :S).

              I've since acquired the Olympus 12mm f2 and the panasonic Leica 25mm f1.4. I haven't had a chance to put both to test but an upcoming trip to Bali will remedy that :P

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              • Originally posted by El_Goretto View Post
                So Jstar, how do you like your OM-D? I've just come back from a month long trip to Europe and I really enjoyed using the camera through out the trip (except the part where my camera was somewhere in Quimper airport while I was in Paris due to misplacement :S).

                I've since acquired the Olympus 12mm f2 and the panasonic Leica 25mm f1.4. I haven't had a chance to put both to test but an upcoming trip to Bali will remedy that :P
                I didn't have a chance to make a lot of pictures. Most were macro pictures (flowers and cats). Considering the Olympus Zuiko Digital 35 mm F3.5 Macro lens, it has a compared 70 mm (2:1) on 35mm of course. Seems to be the lightest macro lens and not so expensive.

                Anyway, so far so good, esp. the AF with the moving cats. I don't really like the 'out of the box settings', the color saturation is too strong for instance.

                And now I finally have some time to look into that and 'she who controls everything' has taken it and is using it all the time! So I'm stuck with her pos Nikon. But that will change this weekend.

                It is a completely black version with the standard lens.

                Ah, this is a very interesting read btw:
                http://www.businessweek.com/articles...pus-scandal#p1
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                • Originally posted by El_Goretto View Post
                  my camera was somewhere in Quimper airport while I was in Paris due to misplacement :S).
                  Didn't even know Quimper had an airport. Did you take the camera in checked-in luggage?
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                  • There are rumors of an Olympus MFT macro lens by the end of the year

                    And in quimper, it got left behind just before security screening while scrambling with all the carry on luggage and baby stuff. Lucky someone found it and it got sent to me in Paris by post.

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                    • I got the camera from See Buy Fly schipol for Euro 1169.
                      Love the camera much - use it for my long holliday trip to Bukhara, Samarkand, Walea, Bunaken and Lembeh.
                      Unfortunately not able to have the underwater housing - so far I use it for topsite only. Underwater I still rely with my EPL-1 and XZ-1.

                      I have the Zuiko 35mm macro, not the best macro but very affordable. The AF is slow; but much better maginbification than 12-50mm kit at macro mode (43mm).
                      I used this macro (35mm) lens for underwater macro with my EPL-1 for muck diving in Lembeh.
                      I'm waiting the new m4/3 60mm macro, the rumor said by end of year.

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                      • El_G and Wisnu: I made quite some pics in Bali last weekend and I saw a weird phenomenon with the camera: The color saturation can be different between the picture made with electronic viewfinder and back screen. Taking a sunset, I found the one with viewfinder was much richer in color (orange) than the one with the screen (yellow). Any explanation?
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                        • No idea... Have you compared the pics on the same screen? Also were the pics taken at the same time with same settings? Light can change very quickly at sunset.
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                          • Originally posted by El_Goretto View Post
                            No idea... Have you compared the pics on the same screen? Also we're the pics taken at the same time with same settings? Light can change very quickly at sunset.
                            Same position, two (2) seconds time difference (just move the face to the camera to activate viewfinder). When I compare them on the backscreen there is a big difference. There are no different settings menus, right? And normally it's output only so sensor should not be affected by using one or the other....

                            For the rest quite happy, found out the thick manual I planned to read on the plane is only covering installation and some basic functions in all different languages so that's useless. I will have to go online or look at the CD for more info on settings etc. It's an intuitive camera but for some functions you definitely need a manual. Esp. changing the focus raster etc. Flash pretty good but it takes 10 minutes to install the first time and you and up with three tiny plastic covers you need to keep and which you will lose in no-time.
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                            • Originally posted by jstar View Post
                              Same position, two (2) seconds time difference (just move the face to the camera to activate viewfinder). When I compare them on the backscreen there is a big difference. There are no different settings menus, right? And normally it's output only so sensor should not be affected by using one or the other....

                              For the rest quite happy, found out the thick manual I planned to read on the plane is only covering installation and some basic functions in all different languages so that's useless. I will have to go online or look at the CD for more info on settings etc. It's an intuitive camera but for some functions you definitely need a manual. Esp. changing the focus raster etc. Flash pretty good but it takes 10 minutes to install the first time and you and up with three tiny plastic covers you need to keep and which you will lose in no-time.
                              Jstar,
                              I did check. I don't see this phenomen with my camera- and I don't see the reason to have color saturation change just because of using view finder or LCD.
                              However, if you use iAuto mode, there's possibility the camera select different scene which have different color saturation, contrast ect. There's a situation where the camera "not sure" with what the best scn to be selected in iAuto mode.
                              Try with P, A, S or M.

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                              • Sorry to just jump in but i think you should try Sony NEX 5N, it's very good in low light

                                Here is the picture i've taken with it in an concert without flash, no editing beside the watermark...

                                Action or lack of action today cast a long shadow over the future...

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