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  • Erdogan's lie, ISIS oil

    I heard Erdogan on television yesterday saying that Assad is the one supporting ISIS (not Turkey). That’s a big lie, everybody knows that ISIS are Sunnis and Assad is supported by the Shiites. In Indonesia, they’ll call him “maling teriak maling”.

    Turkey said they had warned the Russian SU-24 fighter jet 10 times in 5 minutes, but in the same report, it mentioned that the jet crossed a sliver of Turkey’s territory in 17 seconds. So it looks like the jet was shot down just as it was leaving Turkey or it was already in Syria (it crashed in Syrian territory), it’s totally unnecessary. Recently in Indonesia there has been several unauthorized aircraft forced to land or leave, Indonesia’s jet fighter flew a parallel course to give visual warning in addition to warnings through radio channel. If Indonesia’s pilots act like the trigger-happy Turkish pilots, they will shoot down every intrusion. Luckily, Indonesia’s pilots are more civilized.

    Erdogan also said that Turkey is not buying ISIS oil, is he lying again?… http://www.ibtimes.co.in/turkey-buyi...-tanker-656183

    The Syrian rebels are also buying ISIS oil, tolerated by the US-led coalition… http://ig.ft.com/sites/2015/isis-oil/

  • #2
    Originally posted by sul1995 View Post
    Turkey said they had warned the Russian SU-24 fighter jet 10 times in 5 minutes, but in the same report, it mentioned that the jet crossed a sliver of Turkey’s territory in 17 seconds. So it looks like the jet was shot down just as it was leaving Turkey or it was already in Syria (it crashed in Syrian territory), it’s totally unnecessary.
    Maybe Turkey is copying Russia's intolerance to foreign intrusion into their airspace. Remember Korean Air Lines (KAL 007 and 902)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean...nes_Flight_007
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean...nes_Flight_902
    Last edited by Davita; 28-11-15, 21:06.

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    • #3
      Always great to have some distraction from the internal issues.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Davita View Post
        Maybe Turkey is copying Russia's intolerance to foreign intrusion into their airspace. Remember Korean Air Lines (KAL 007 and 902)

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean...nes_Flight_007
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean...nes_Flight_902

        Both Korean Air incidents happened during the Soviet-era, a different time then. Yesterday’s bad guys can be today’s good guys (and vice-versa).

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        • #5
          If I see Poetin it's more like a full circle.

          Talking about him, he gets more and more popular in Europe. Many feel the US has no idea what to do about Syria and he (even if he is ganging up with the wrong guy and it's all about their own interests in the region) at least takes action. A recent interview in which he addressed the 'root cause' of the problems with Turkey added even more support.
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          • #6
            Turkey and Russia are traditional enemies, so it should be a surprise to no one that the two are at each other's throats.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jstar View Post
              If I see Poetin it's more like a full circle.

              Talking about him, he gets more and more popular in Europe. Many feel the US has no idea what to do about Syria and he (even if he is ganging up with the wrong guy and it's all about their own interests in the region) at least takes action. A recent interview in which he addressed the 'root cause' of the problems with Turkey added even more support.

              Putin popular in europe ! I dont think so , im sure hitler is one of his heroes , before the shooting down episode erdogan was in moscow , warning putin and his minions about incursions into turkish airspace , but of course putin can do what he wants, in his own mind ,hence 1 less mig , bear in mind assad had claims on the area of turkey where the mig was shot down , so of course putin will support his chum .

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              • #8
                I don’t understand why the US & its coalition partners are calling for the ouster of Assad. Even going as far as supporting rebels to fight the government. Good or bad, Assad is the legitimate ruler of Syria, at least until before Arab Spring erupted, he was President of a united Syria recognized by all countries of the world. Should it be Syrians deciding for Syria, not other countries deciding what is for Syria? Other countries interfering and telling another country what to do is bullying. Why don’t they tell Kim Jong-un to step down? No, they can’t because North Korea cannot be bullied.

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                • #9
                  Assad is no more legit than any of his rivals. In Syria, power and its ruthless application rules.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sul1995 View Post
                    I don’t understand why the US & its coalition partners are calling for the ouster of Assad. Even going as far as supporting rebels to fight the government. Good or bad, Assad is the legitimate ruler of Syria, at least until before Arab Spring erupted, he was President of a united Syria recognized by all countries of the world. Should it be Syrians deciding for Syria, not other countries deciding what is for Syria? Other countries interfering and telling another country what to do is bullying. Why don’t they tell Kim Jong-un to step down? No, they can’t because North Korea cannot be bullied.
                    The world's failure to oppose one dictator doesn't mean we should tolerate all dictators equally. It's like you're saying if we fail to catch and prosecute one criminal we should not prosecute any and all crimes in the interest of equality.

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                    • #11
                      The Donald reportedly says that US should have invaded Mexico, but later he corrected himself stating that his campaign manager has just informed him that Assad is not the President of Mexico.

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                      • #12
                        It's a joke closer to the mark if you substitute "Ben Carson" for "Trump," although they are both pretty much empty suites when it comes to foreign policy knowledge.

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                        • #13
                          the real liar is america and its coalition.. isis not sunnis,, isis is syiah

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kangawaken View Post
                            the real liar is america and its coalition.. isis not sunnis,, isis is syiah
                            Thanks for the clarification; the nature of the conflict is much more easily understood when you know the religious underpinnings of the protagonists.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by kangawaken View Post
                              the real liar is america and its coalition.. isis not sunnis,, isis is syiah
                              Eh? As originally an Iraqi Sunni group, ISIS is (unofficially) supported by many in Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey to destroy the current Shia government and Iran's influence in the area.

                              The bad thing is that I have heard this before; bad 'Muslims' are automatically marked and stigmatized as Shia.
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