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  • Australia's Prime Minister is a Pugilist!

    Hi Guys,
    long time no see :{

    Just dropped by to plead with everyone to totally disregard anything Australia's current Prime Minister aka {'The Mad Monk!} as he is constantly described by his fellow travelers within his own Political Party.
    He is consistently, proven with facts to tell porkies!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc5ljcri6Nk

    In the link above in an interview with a highly respected Political and current affairs reporter he admits that unless he is reading from a carefully worded script he should not be believed!

    Regardless of your personal position on the current death penalty debate, I implore all of you to spread the word that he should be totally ignored especially with regard to his desperate attempts to save his Political arse by trying to intimidate Jokowi.

    The F****it has absolutely no understanding of Javanese culture and is a total pugilist!

    Thanks for reading,

    Selamat Tinggal

    Ohm
    IknowthatyoubelieveyouunderstandwhatyouthinkIsaid, butI'mnotsureyourealisethatwhatyouheardisnotwhatI meant.

  • #2
    Abbott has always gone into the ring way above his cerebral weight, how he's lasted this long has never ceased to amaze me & in my opinion doesn't lend a lot of credit to those who put him in power. This hits an extra cord for me because before entering Federal Politics he was my local member.
    I think he deserves to be K.O.'d but seems we will have to be satisfied with a T.K.O. ..... the sooner he's permanently wearing the dressing gown & slippers the better.
    Last edited by macvert; 19-02-15, 10:13.
    The answer is 42 .... any questions? .

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ohmdafyd View Post
      . . . aka {'The Mad Monk!} as he is constantly described by his fellow travelers within his own Political Party.
      Absolutely untrue. This was a press gallery nickname, and I haven't heard it being used in ages.

      Originally posted by ohmdafyd View Post
      He is consistently, proven with facts to tell porkies!
      Well . . . he is a politician . . . and human. You're not getting any more honesty from the other side of politics.

      Originally posted by ohmdafyd View Post
      In the link above in an interview with a highly respected Political and current affairs reporter he admits that unless he is reading from a carefully worded script he should not be believed!
      This is him being too honest for his own good. A common criticism before he became prime minister. I personally found it endearing.

      Originally posted by ohmdafyd View Post
      I implore all of you to spread the word that he should be totally ignored especially with regard to his desperate attempts to save his Political arse by trying to intimidate Jokowi.
      He's not trying save his political arse, this is a popular issue in Australia at the moment, to not comment on it would be strange. But he is stuffing it up by linking the issue with the aid Australians gave after the Tsunami. I don't think it's fair to say he's actually deliberately trying to intimidate Jokowi, it's just another example of the tin ear he's developed since becoming Prime Minister. He didn't think through how his comments might be interpreted.

      Just recently he's had so many gaffes that it's reasonable to doubt his political competence, but your criticisms are too one-sided.

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      • #4
        Cameron in the UK is a buffoon, Abbott takes it a step further & then some- a total buffoon with bells on.
        Probably the most embarrassing thing to come out of Australia.
        (That's me being polite)
        Cicak Magnet

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        • #5
          He is absolutely crazy, i really don't get it, wouldn't politicians have people who advise them on how to deal with other countries, like cultural tact and understanding so they don't put there foot in it?

          I think he has just put Indonesian-Australian relations back to the worst of times.

          One of the biggest issues in Australian politics is the refugee/asylum seeker/boat people issue and with the world the way it is, its not going to go away…on this issue Indonesia holds the ace.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Indo2000 View Post
            Absolutely untrue. This was a press gallery nickname, and I haven't heard it being used in ages.


            Well . . . he is a politician . . . and human. You're not getting any more honesty from the other side of politics.


            This is him being too honest for his own good. A common criticism before he became prime minister. I personally found it endearing.


            He's not trying save his political arse, this is a popular issue in Australia at the moment, to not comment on it would be strange. But he is stuffing it up by linking the issue with the aid Australians gave after the Tsunami. I don't think it's fair to say he's actually deliberately trying to intimidate Jokowi, it's just another example of the tin ear he's developed since becoming Prime Minister. He didn't think through how his comments might be interpreted.

            Just recently he's had so many gaffes that it's reasonable to doubt his political competence, but your criticisms are too one-sided.


            indo2000,
            you are of course entitled to express your own opinions, however it would be more useful and informative for other readers and make a more positive contribution to the debate if you were up to date with your feedback and reading a wider range of more Independant sources of Political News.

            There are several inaccuracies in your statement for example "just recently he's had so many gaffes ..." well as a matter of fact Tony has been in Politics ALL of his life from Student University Politics until today and there is factual information available should you choose to look for it, that reveals his personality type and records his regular stupid ill considered if considered at all including his 'Captains Calls " and continuous 'thought bubbles" as the media describe it, in other words constant 'gaffes' from the time he entered Federal Parliament approximately 12 years or so ago{ as well as his student days}

            You are also incorrect about another point in that my critisms are too one sided, I am simply reflecting what I read from a variety of Media sources, mostly Independant but NEVER from the Murdoch News group, and yes I am one sided in terms of having a fair and egalitarian society in Australia as we used to be before The Mad Monk bullied his way into Power {btw it was more of a protest vote AGAINST Labor than a choice/positive vote for the Coalitions {lack of Policies}...

            Feel free to try and contradict me, I have plenty of resources to quote the FACTS as presented, finally, by local and overseas Media both in Economic Policies {or lack thereof} and Social {In} equality Policies of the Mad Monk's 'Government? and his current frantic efforts to save his Political Arse which is well documented as a FACT!.

            Mick pls stay on track, we are not referring to the tragic and disgraceful plight of the refugees which both Labor and LNP are responsible for, {though the LNP has taken the 'process' to far greater secretive, punitive and morally reprehensible heights} open another thread If you wish to discuss that topic, personally I'm ashamed to be an Ozzie at these times as are many, many others of my fellow Countrymen and Women.

            indo 200, for your personal insight here are just 2 recent interviews/stories links which if you choose to read will hopefully open both of your eyes....

            "Fears Tony Abbott has damaged Bali nine diplomacy"

            http://www.theage.com.au/federal-pol...19-13j3tn.html

            http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-1...roblem/5959676
            IknowthatyoubelieveyouunderstandwhatyouthinkIsaid, butI'mnotsureyourealisethatwhatyouheardisnotwhatI meant.

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            • #7
              retrospective conditionality for humanitarian aid

              a rather "interesting" approach

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              • #8
                A few more articles for general information re; 'The Mad Monk" and especically in response to indo200's comments.



                Profile: Tony Abbott


                http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-10645410


                [SIZE=1]Who is Tony Abbott, the 'Mad Monk' elected Aussie PM?[/SIZE]


                [COLOR=#000000]
                Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/...#ixzz3SEIOvfLk
                [/COLOR]



                The polishing of Tony Abbott

                https://independentaustralia.net/pol...ny-abbott,5355
                IknowthatyoubelieveyouunderstandwhatyouthinkIsaid, butI'mnotsureyourealisethatwhatyouheardisnotwhatI meant.

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                • #9
                  bragging about Humanitarian aid to save drug dealers, you guys are pathetically funny.....
                  Unless abbott is desperate
                  "The Beauty of Indonesia is located outside Jakarta"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Abook looty View Post
                    bragging about Humanitarian aid to save drug dealers, you guys are pathetically funny.....
                    Unless abbott is desperate
                    People rightly worry about the fairness of Indonesia's judicial system/police work. They should be worried about such things in any country. I am very, very pro-death penalty, however, if my country is an abolitionist state and I am the head of such a state I'd probably lobby for a reduced sentence. Most countries do not execute foreign nationals as it opens up a lot of political difficulties. When Texas executed a Mexican national it was a very, very big deal. It gave Mexico some leverage to use against the United States. Quite frankly, it was a political mistake for the country as a whole but self-serving for the state's governor.

                    Now, the Mexican national was a convicted murderer. Drug dealers aren't the same team, league or even the same sport. Abbott is appealing to his constituents who probably feel such a sentence is too harsh. Jokowi is appealing to Indonesians who may feel that such a sentence is apt. At the end of the day, for all of their spats and threats, nothing has changed in Indo-Australian relations.

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                    • #11
                      ohmdafyd, you need to re-read your own forum signature and then re-read my post.

                      Just out of interest, who do you think was responsible for 9/11?

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                      • #12
                        Im also pro death penalty, but i see it a little different to Dan, I see the death penalty a perfect fit for hard drug smuggling, because its extremely premeditated crime thats based on the emotion of greed, its a crime you need a lot of planning for where you can really think about the consequences and its a crime where your generally caught red handed, it also a crime that can affect a lot of people in a negative way not only users, but all the crime that comes along with it not only from users trying to get money, but often in the countries the drugs are produced, in a particularly for the first two points the death penalty can work well as a deterrent.

                        But murder although a serious crime, its often not premeditated its can often be something that happens in a rage where I don't think the deterrent factor would work as well because there clouded by emotions you can't control as well and its often a crime where there is more chance of someone getting death that might not be guilty because its rare to be caught red handed.

                        I still agree with the death penalty for murder, but i think circumstances should be taken into account.

                        I think if places like Indonesia were smart they would take into account things like how drugs are smuggled when giving the death penalty for instance, if there was a policy where if you were caught with a certain amount of drugs strapped to you or swallowed or concealed, then automatically death should be given as you are 100% guilty.

                        While if they were more lenient and didn't give death for drugs found in bags that would make sense as guilt is likely but not 100% that the drugs are yours.

                        This should encourage people who are going to take the risk to smuggle drugs, to not strap them to themselves or swallow or conceal which is harder to find by authorities, but if they were smart or valued there life, then they would put or conceal in there baggage where its much easier for authorities to detect, by technology or dogs etc.
                        Last edited by mick mentawai; 20-02-15, 14:02.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mick mentawai View Post
                          Im also pro death penalty, but i see it a little different to Dan, I see the death penalty a perfect fit for hard drug smuggling, because its extremely premeditated crime thats based on the emotion of greed, its a crime you need a lot of planning for where you can really think about the consequences and its a crime where your generally caught red handed, it also a crime that can affect a lot of people in a negative way not only users, but all the crime that comes along with it not only from users trying to get money, but often in the countries the drugs are produced, in a particularly for the first two points the death penalty can work well as a deterrent.

                          But murder although a serious crime, its often not premeditated its can often be something that happens in a rage where I don't think the deterrent factor would work as well because there clouded by emotions you can't control as well and its often a crime where there is more chance of someone getting death that might not be guilty because its rare to be caught red handed.

                          I still agree with the death penalty for murder, but i think circumstances should be taken into account.

                          I think if places like Indonesia were smart they would take into account things like how drugs are smuggled when giving the death penalty for instance, if there was a policy where if you were caught with a certain amount of drugs strapped to you or swallowed or concealed, then automatically death should be given as you are 100% guilty.

                          While if they were more lenient and didn't give death for drugs found in bags that would make sense as guilt is likely but not 100% that the drugs are yours.

                          This should encourage people who are going to take the risk to smuggle drugs, to not strap them to themselves or swallow or conceal which is harder to find by authorities, but if they were smart or valued there life, then they would put or conceal in there baggage where its much easier for authorities to detect, by technology or dogs etc.
                          I highly doubt the death penalty is a deterrent. It is certainly a form of retributive justice. A highly dangerous criminal who has killed others is still a threat in prison. Killing him negates that. A drug smuggler, while possibly corrupt and irresponsible, is not necessarily a dangerous individual. There is the POTENTIAL for societal harm, but only based on the willing consumption of drugs by users.

                          I still support Indonesia's death penalty for drug traffickers, but only if it impacts kingpins and their lieutenants. Negligible amounts are not worth a death penalty. Any one of us expats could have that crap planted on us, and the threat of execution is a powerful motivator for "greasing the wheels" of the Indonesian justice system. Let's get to the root of the problem instead of killing drug mules.

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                          • #14
                            And to anyone questioning why or if Australia should appeal to Indonesia... consider what happens when the shoe is on the other foot.

                            http://www.qatar-tribune.com/viewnew...042&d=20140325

                            I'm sure some Indonesians may say "well, those were trumped up charges! the maid is the victim!"

                            Indeed. And how should the world react to Indonesia's pleas if it executes foreign nationals? With deafening silence, I would imagine.

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                            • #15
                              [SIZE=3]Spot on Dan! [/SIZE]... {Post no;14}
                              Except for this comment ... 'I still support Indonesia's death penalty for drug traffickers' {Post 13}


                              http://www.theage.com.au/world/bali-...20-13kkcl.html

                              'Bali nine executions: Julie Bishop phones Indonesia to ease tensions

                              Date
                              February 21, 2015 - 9:01AM {Melbourne Age}

                              Julie Bishop says she did not discuss the timeframe for the execution of two Australians in a phone call with Indonesian Vice-President Jusuf Kalla.

                              Joko Widodo says executions will not be delayed
                              [COLOR=#ff0000]Politics and pride muffle pleas for mercy[/COLOR]

                              Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop has appealed directly to the Indonesian Vice-President for an indefinite stay of execution for the Bali Nine ringleaders, unveiling a fresh diplomatic push for the two countries to work together on tackling drug syndicates.

                              Ms Bishop told Fairfax Media she telephoned Vice-President Jusuf Kalla [COLOR=#ff0000]following Prime Minister Tony Abbott's comments pointing out the $1billion in aid Indonesia was given after the 2004 tsunami.[/COLOR]

                              Australians Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran are on death row.

                              [COLOR=#ff0000]These comments were viewed by many to have inflamed the already-tense relationship over the planned executions.[/COLOR]
                              Ms Bishop told Fairfax Media she called Mr Kalla to clarify that Mr Abbott was not trying to link the two issues but merely emphasising the long history of support and friendship between the two countries.
                              "I said I regretted if this comment was seen as anything other than that."
                              Attorney-General H.M. Prasetyo also denied local media reports on Friday that Mr Kalla had told Ms Bishop the executions could be delayed and take place in three to four weeks.
                              "I never said that and I don't think the vice-president meant that. He leaves it up to us," Mr Prasetyo said.

                              Ms Bishop told Fairfax Media a time-frame for the executions was not discussed during the phone call, in which she told the Vice-President that Australia was grateful for the delay in the transfer of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran to Nusakambangan Island, where their executions are slated to take place.
                              "I said I hoped we could seek an indefinite stay of execution."
                              Ms Bishop also expressed a hope that Indonesia and Australia could work together on ways to tackle the drug problem and drug syndicates.

                              The possibility of Australia co-funding drug rehabilitation projects has been part of ongoing negotiations between the two countries.
                              "Both of our countries are victims of drug syndicates. We've proposed ways we can work together to save the lives of Indonesians from the drug problem and I reiterated that to Mr Kalla."

                              She also emphasised Chan and Sukumaran's rehabilitation in lndonesia's prison system and said it was something Indonesia should be proud of.
                              [COLOR=#ff0000]
                              The phone call had been recommended by the Australian Embassy.
                              [/COLOR]

                              The Foreign Affairs Minister said Mr Kalla was "deeply grateful" to her for clarifying the Prime Minister's comments. "He is very well disposed to Australia. I hope that my representations will make a difference but I don't know."
                              Ms Bishop said she had not intended to make the phone call public but agreed to speak to Fairfax Media after their conversation was reported in the local press.

                              Her phone call to the Vice-President, which took place on Thursday, came after [COLOR=#ff0000]Mr Abbott's vowed to let Indonesia know in "absolutely unambiguous terms" that Australia would feel "grievously let down" if the executions proceeded.
                              "Let's not forget that a few years ago when Indonesia was struck by the Indian Ocean tsunami, Australia sent a billion dollars worth of assistance, we sent a significant contingent of our armed forces to help in Indonesia with humanitarian relief and Australians lost their lives in that campaign to help Indonesia,"
                              [/COLOR]he said.

                              The Indonesian government responded angrily, with a foreign ministry spokesman warning it did not respond to threats.

                              [COLOR=#ff0000]Jakarta-based international relations expert Pierre Marthinus said Mr Abbott had "jumped the shark" in his handling of the execution issue. He said the link to the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami was offensive to Indonesians. "Look into the eye of a child who lost their parents and say: 'You know what? We gave you money, now we want something in return."[/COLOR]
                              Mr Marthinus, the director of the Marthinus Academy, a not-for-profit centre focusing on transnational relations, said he can understand the frustration of Australians given the constant waiting and uncertainty around the executions. [COLOR=#ff0000]But he was worried Mr Abbott's belligerence would have a lasting impact on bilateral relations. "We really don't want another fallout between Indonesia and Australia."[/COLOR]

                              Meanwhile, Mr Prasetyo said on Friday the execution of Chan and Sukumaran would be immediately carried out when preparations at Nusakambangan were completed.
                              He said he could understand why Australia was making representations to spare the men's lives.
                              "Should our nationals be executed we would do that too, [COLOR=#ff0000]however we never put pressure on others[/COLOR], we therefore hope they won't press us," he said.
                              With Karuni Rompies'

                              http://www.theage.com.au/world/bali-...20-13kkcl.html
                              Last edited by ohmdafyd; 21-02-15, 05:44. Reason: update comment to Dan
                              IknowthatyoubelieveyouunderstandwhatyouthinkIsaid, butI'mnotsureyourealisethatwhatyouheardisnotwhatI meant.

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