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  • #16
    I can tell Prabowo is taking the advice of his American political consultants. The smear campaign through media, the use of wedge issues, and now the court challenge sound very familiar.

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    • #17
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      • #18
        if it's a soccer, here the losing team usually blame the referee. in this case, the referee is KPU (The General Elections Commission)

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        • #19
          More madness:
          -Prabowo wants world leaders to stop it with the congratulatory statements already. http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/...ements-jokowi/
          -He also wants SBY to stay in office for another year so there's enough time to hold another election. http://indonesia-baru.liputan6.com/r...n-kepemimpinan
          -Prabowo's team claimed that 37 Chinese and South Korean hackers manipulated about 4 million of the votes. Someone from the South Korean embassy promptly visited Prabowo's base camp to refute this accusation. In reality, 56 Chinese and Taiwanese hackers were arrested a couple of days ago, mostly small-time cyber criminals attacking Chinese targets. http://nasional.kompas.com/read/2014....Rumah.Polonia
          -Megawati's own sister said there obviously has been foreign intervention. Proof: Bill Clinton's charity visit and Allan Nairn's expose. Strangely no mention of Rob Allyn. http://rmol.co/news.php?id=164950
          -Apparently Time, The Economist, Sting, Jason Mraz and porn star Vicky Vette are all undercover agents of the US. http://pemilu.okezone.com/read/2014/...-jadi-presiden
          -Someone by the name of Umar Abduh came up with quite an original conspiracy theory. He said TNI and Polri did their own count and Prabowo in fact got 54% of the votes. http://pemilu.okezone.com/read/2014/...hitungan-suara
          -An ex-military guy claimed that TNI's psychological evaluation revealed Prabowo's psychopathic tendencies (http://www.merdeka.com/politik/am-he...eramental.html). Of course Prabowo's team refutes this (http://nasional.kompas.com/read/2014...Bukan.Psikopat). But if it's true, it would explain a lot of his behavior.

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          • #20
            Seems to me that since he "quit" the election before the result was announced, he shouldn't have the option of contesting the result now with MK... talk about having it both ways lol's.
            [FONT=Comic Sans MS]Warden: "What we got here ... is failure to communicate."

            The Dude: "Oh yeah? Well that's just, like, your opinion, man."[/FONT]

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            • #21
              It'll be interesting to know how will Prabowo delegitimise the new government, whether from within the system or outside. His coalition seems pretty strong in parliament but he also has people who are willing to spill on to the street, if he wants it.

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              • #22
                Parliamentary coalitions come and go, fairly easily in most countries. That's sort of an advantage and disadvantage of that type of system.

                SBY had very low DRP support from his fly-by-night party in 2004. I think the "foreign meddlers" were hoping that SBY would found a new "center-right" party along the lines of the model that worked successfully in South America, where military dictatorship "political parties" eventually gave way to business-oriented non-military parties when the dictatorships ended. But Golkar is still rolling on inertia, like the proverbial car that keeps moving after its engine (you-know-who) has died.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by LittleMonster View Post
                  Breaking the law or not, i think what he did is so lame.
                  A wanna be president should not have that kind of attitude at all.
                  So lame.
                  It will be written in the history, he will be a laughing stock, a joke.
                  Didnt he think about it before he did that?
                  I think it was admirable to resign in the face of fairly obvious evidence that he lost. Resigning signals to his supporters that he is not going to make a fuss.

                  Contrast with the Al Gore "I concede" phone call to Bush in 2000, before Gore realized that Florida's vote had been manipulated. I lost respect for Gore after that, and he seemed rather like Humpty Dumpty with his supporters trying to make a case for challenging Bush's victory after "I concede".

                  In the case of Prabowo, the evidence seemed to be a lot more convincing, and the claimed victory/loss margin was much larger.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by martindo View Post
                    I think it was admirable to resign in the face of fairly obvious evidence that he lost. Resigning signals to his supporters that he is not going to make a fuss.

                    Contrast with the Al Gore "I concede" phone call to Bush in 2000, before Gore realized that Florida's vote had been manipulated. I lost respect for Gore after that, and he seemed rather like Humpty Dumpty with his supporters trying to make a case for challenging Bush's victory after "I concede".

                    In the case of Prabowo, the evidence seemed to be a lot more convincing, and the claimed victory/loss margin was much larger.
                    Did you miss the news about him filing a lawsuit with the constitutional court? He resigned because he refused to accept the result of the election. It's like an employee being fired, who then tells his boss that he can't be fired because he quits. He's a sore loser whose camp employs all the dirty tricks in the book, including American ones. I've seen the nastiest stuff from Bush' campaign team, the team that took dirty campaign to a whole new level.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by martindo View Post
                      I think it was admirable to resign in the face of fairly obvious evidence that he lost. Resigning signals to his supporters that he is not going to make a fuss.
                      Admirable would've been conceding and congratulating your opponent. What Prabowo did was just the latest string of delusional behavior by a spoiled brat.

                      In reaching a new level of previously unimaginable stupidity, his supporters on Tuesday claimed that Korean and Chinese hackers are responsible for changing 4 million votes. This claim obviously attracted ridicule all around. Even Prabowo supporters must at this point question the sanity of the people surrounding Prabowo, if not of Prabowo himself.

                      http://www.beritasatu.com/nasional/1...ra-golput.html

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                      • #26
                        http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/...ection-result/

                        Should we be concerned?
                        [FONT=comic sans ms]Please excuse my poor English. [/FONT]

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Chotto Matte View Post
                          Maybe. Afterall, if he wanted to create chaos it would make more sense to wait for after Lebaran:
                          - It gives him time to pretend to be using all legal and political avenues. He would file his complaint to the Constitutional Court tomorrow and then they would have 2 weeks to deliberate which would coincide with the end of mudik.
                          - He would be able to use the full force of his provocators and rioters who are now back from their kampung and are not distracted by fasting and Lebaran.
                          - Whilst access to Jakarta was restricted on the day of the announcement so that police could control masses of supporters from surrounding areas trying to come to the capital, this task will be made much more difficult when millions of people will be heading back to Jakarta after mudik. My guess is it would be very easy for him to covertly smuggle rioters among the millions and millions of people flogging back to Jakarta.

                          Let's just hope that the momentum from Jokowi's victory carries on to move the country forward and put these elections to the past.

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                          • #28
                            How Prabowo can ask the constituonal court to overturn the election when he already withdraw?
                            La motivation vient en se motivant ~ Motivation come by self-motivation

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by PhilippeD View Post
                              How Prabowo can ask the constituonal court to overturn the election when he already withdraw?
                              I don't know, it's a total farce.

                              At first, his lawyers said just as much. The next day they retracted, saying that he didn't actually withdraw his candidacy, but merely withdrew his witnesses at the vote recapitulation.

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                              • #30
                                The Prabowo team claim:
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                                1. Total number of those using their voting rights not the same as the number of ballots used and number of valid and invalid votes, in as many as 28,283 booths.
                                2. Total ballots which were used were not the same as the total number of valid and invalid votes, in as many as 9,617 booths.
                                3. Number of those using their voting rights based on the Additional Permanent Voter Roll/absentee voters greater than total number of those on said lists, in as many as 11,090 booths.
                                4. Number of voters using their voting rights from the Special Additional Voter Roll/those voting with only ID cards, other ID or passports greater than those said list, in as many as 20,158 booths.
                                5. Ticket number 1. [i.e. Prabowo-Hatta] did not get any votes, despite the presence of [their own] scrutineers, at as many as 282 booths.

                                If you want to read an analysis of these 5 points go to

                                http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newman...we-was-robbed/

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