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  • Originally posted by Kroger123 View Post
    From the Wall Street Journal

    http://on.wsj.com/1nhngkY
    Sadly can't read article fully unless subscribe.
    Things happen for a reason...

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    • This is the photo caption from the Tempo article:

      "A security guard stands at the entrance of Jakarta International School (JIS) compound in Jakarta (8/5). U.S. citizen William Vahey taught here from 1992-2002. Vahey began his international teaching career with a series of stays around the Middle East and Europe, and by 1992, Vahey and his wife moved to Indonesia."

      The photo is a 'generic' shot of an entrance to the JIS, as usual, showing two sekuriti in orange vests.The very brief article is "to the point" about the two new "suspects" and does not mention Vahey at all. WTF? Par for the course, but still a bit bizarre. Meaning that "a bit bizarre" is "par for the course'.
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS]Warden: "What we got here ... is failure to communicate."

      The Dude: "Oh yeah? Well that's just, like, your opinion, man."[/FONT]

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      • Maybe this link will work

        http://online.wsj.com/articles/jakar...ens-1405145862

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        • [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]Here is text of WSJ article

          JAKARTA, Indonesia—Police have named an administrator and a teaching assistant as suspects in a widening investigation of alleged sexual abuse at the prestigious Jakarta International School, marking the first time that staff members, not contract employees, have formally been identified as suspects.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]Allegations of sexual abuse at the school have grown over the past three months following accusations that a janitor raped a kindergarten boy. Parents have alleged that dozens of attacks took place and that at least three kindergarten boys were victims. The family that first came forward has filed a $125 million lawsuit against the school.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]Previous Coverage



          [/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]The suspects named by police Thursday were Neil Bantleman of Canada, an assistant principal at the school's Pondok Indah Elementary campus, and Ferdinand Tjiong of Indonesia, a teaching assistant.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]Naming the two men as suspects means police can detain them at any time as investigators continue to prepare the case that will be presented to prosecutors.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]Neither has been charged, but police say the two men could face 15 years in prison. Elsa Donohue, the elementary-school principal, remains under investigation, police said.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]All three have denied allegations that the abuse took place.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]"They are baseless allegations that right from the beginning had no merit and no substance, and I can't believe it has gotten to this point," Mr. Bantleman told The Wall Street Journal on Friday.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]Ms. Donohue questioned the thoroughness of the investigation. She said police never interviewed the nine staff members who sit in plain sight of the glass office where attacks allegedly occurred.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]"I am struggling to understand the system," said Ms. Donohue, an American. "Maybe I am naive. How do mega-lies get to this point?"[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]Police have declined to answer specific questions from the Journal about the case.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]Mr. Tjiong, who has worked at the school for 16 years, told reporters last month that the accusations were "really, really wrong."[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]"I never did things like that in my life," he said.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]Founded in 1951, the Jakarta school has become Indonesia's largest international school. Its students include the children of Indonesian and foreign executives, diplomats, and government ministers.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]The scandal began in April, when it was alleged that a janitor sodomized a 5-year-old boy in a school restroom earlier this year, which is often known by its initials, JIS.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]Six contract janitors were arrested. Police said that one committed suicide in custody and that four others offered confessions. Police haven't publicly discussed the specifics of their confessions. The five surviving janitors are still in custody but haven't been charged.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]Saut Irianto Rajagukguk, a lawyer for Zaenal Abidin, one of the janitors, said his client didn't rape anyone. Mr. Rajagukguk questioned whether a rape could have occurred in the restroom during morning hours at the school as alleged. He noted that the restroom is located next to a busy courtyard and would have been used by numerous children during that time.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]"Zaenal is a village boy who does not speak any proper English," the lawyer said. "He is naive and young. He does not understand the layout over there at JIS and cleaning service people at JIS are never, ever allowed to touch children at JIS. Grabbing a boy and raping him is out of the question."[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]"Zaenal did not rape any child," he continued. "He was coerced into making that statement to police. That's my belief."[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]Timothy Carr, the school's head, said the allegations against staff members were unfounded. He previously acknowledged that the kindergartner may have been raped on campus.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]"We don't believe that what they are claiming as evidence will stand the test of scrutiny," Mr. Carr told the Journal on Friday. "With the teachers, we have no doubt of their absolute innocence. The stories make no sense."[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]Mr. Carr and the three staff members said police haven't told them what evidence has been collected.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]The parents of the three kindergarten boys haven't been identified publicly. The first mother went to the media in April with her initial allegations that her child was raped by a janitor at the school.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]Administrators and experts hired by the school question whether the children's' accounts of abuse were shaped by parental coaching and by leading questions from investigators. They argue that attacks couldn't have taken place as alleged in the school's glass-walled offices, which are very busy.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]Mr. Carr likened the investigation to the notorious 1980s McMartin preschool case in Los Angeles, in which one parent's abuse allegation triggered a flood of charges, including claims of satanic rituals and allegations that 360 children were victimized. No one was convicted, and police and counselors were later criticized for eliciting false testimony from children by asking leading and suggestive questions.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]Jakarta police spokesman Rikwanto, who like many Indonesians goes by one name, said the two staff members were declared suspects based on statements from alleged victims and witnesses, medical tests, and examinations of the alleged crime scene.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]Mr. Rikwanto said that two of the boys were attacked multiple times and that the third boy was the victim of an attempted attack. He didn't elaborate on the circumstances.[/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]"From the police side, we are doing our best to investigate as correctly and as legally as is possible," he said in an interview July 8. "We have covered all the legal bases and continue to investigate this case to the best of our abilities."[/FONT][/COLOR]

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          • Originally posted by Kroger123 View Post
            No matter what you need to be a subscriber to see these articles.
            [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]Some love to milk Apostate.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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            • Originally posted by fastpitch17 View Post
              No matter what you need to be a subscriber to see these articles.
              I can read the article using my iPhone. It doesn't show up on my laptop, though.
              [FONT=comic sans ms]Please excuse my poor English. [/FONT]

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              • My God. The janitors have been in jail for four months and have not been charged yet? Nor has the suicide been independently investigated? The legal system is this country is sickening.

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                • Originally posted by Chotto Matte View Post
                  http://m.inilah.com/read/detail/2118...-jis-tersangka
                  Saat ditanya apa kekerasan seksual yang dilakukan oleh dua guru, sama waktunya dengan apa yang dilakukan oleh 5 tersangka pelecehan seksual yang merupakan petugas outsourcing, Rikwanto mengatakan ada yang sama ada juga yang tidak.

                  "Waktunya ada yang berdekatan, yang dilakukan outsourching dan mereka. Ada juga setelah outsourcing diproses, masih dilakukan mereka. Saling mengetahuinya belum diketahui. Pihak outsourcing belum ada keterangan soal itu," jelasnya.


                  What on earth????


                  the statement is really funny. Police have been doing reconstructions and the files has been send to judge with no teacher involved. The janitors never mentioned any teacher involve with them. And now the police saying that there's time that the janitors and teacher do it together.

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                  • Originally posted by Chotto Matte View Post
                    This article is worrying. It's not just Kompas, other online medias also published the same thing.
                    http://megapolitan.kompas.com/read/2...S.Berikan.Obat
                    Before molested students, JIS teachers gave drugs

                    Before committing sexual abuse against their students, JIS teachers gave drugs to the victim. Two teachers JIS has been nameded as molestation suspects by investigators Women and Children's unit Jakarta Police.

                    "In victims' statement, there's also drug given, it is still under investigation. The alleged perpetrators who gave the drug," said Head of Public Relations Jakarta Police Commissioner Rikwanto, in Metro Jaya Police Headquarters, Thursday (07/10/2014).

                    Rikwanto could not confirm if the drugs had been given so that the perpetrators can freely perform immoral acts. Investigators are still investigating what type of drug administered. "This is what we're into," he said.

                    Rikwanto failed to mention how many students who were given the drugs before sexually abused. "There are among them," he said.


                    Questions: after 4 months, how can the police find any traces of drugs in the victims' bloodstream? Other article from tribunnews.com, the police are investigating the type of the drug, its name, its purposes, and its compositions. Are they talking about date rape drugs? Can the victims really name the drug? I'm an adult, even I have some trouble naming certain types of drugs, let alone 6 years old kids. And this is the first time the police mentioned about drugs being used by the teachers. Just as I feared last week, the silence from KPAI and mother1 meant they were plotting a new way to frame the teachers. This "drugging the students" is the same as Vahey's modus operandi, isn't it? Any news from the US and Canada embassies?
                    Kindergarten lunch and water bottle always stay in the class room. They eat their lunch in the classroom. How could the drugs be put in the water and lunch???

                    the kids drink outside from the water fountain machine ... In that case, if they get drug from there, the parents will get drugs too since the parents drink from the water fountain machine as well.

                    how can kids know that they have been drug before or after???? Either before or after still doesn't make any sense.

                    That's mean all the cafeteria people also involve since their the one who prepared the lunch (unless bring food from home), then the nurse also involve since normally if there's something wrong with the kids, the teacher send the kids to the nurse room.

                    both ways doesn't make any sense .... Logic thinking all doesn't make any sense. But yet for the police its all make sense and they look stupid making the statement like that.

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                    • Originally posted by Stephanie149 View Post
                      the statement is really funny. Police have been doing reconstructions and the files has been send to judge with no teacher involved. The janitors never mentioned any teacher involve with them. And now the police saying that there's time that the janitors and teacher do it together.
                      Hi Stephanie, actually he didn't say that, perhaps that is the way that it comes out in Google Translate? Rikwanto said that some of the alleged acts were the same, some were done in the same period of time, and some have allegedly occurred after the janitors were already in custody. Emphasis on 'alleged' is mine, it is not specified in the original statement.

                      'waktunya ada yang berdekatan' in this context means in the same period of time. I hope that clarifies it.
                      Last edited by Niko Z.; 13-07-14, 09:20.
                      Take my advice, I don't need it.

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                      • I have known mother no.2 since highschool, she has always told amazing stories/lies, mostly harmless. But over the last 5-6 years her stories has become more and more vicious. She has very few friends and even her brothers cant take her serious... She is a sad person, which ofcourse doesnt justify her actions.
                        To safe time, assume I know everything.

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                        • Originally posted by Sisofys7 View Post
                          I have known mother no.2 since highschool, she has always told amazing stories/lies, mostly harmless. But over the last 5-6 years her stories has become more and more vicious. She has very few friends and even her brothers cant take her serious... She is a sad person, which ofcourse doesnt justify her actions.
                          I'm not trying to insult your friend, but I think she has a bipolar disorder. Her actions are similar to one of my aunts and her daughter (my cousin). They both often make outrageous stories or lies (it gets worse through the years), they love spending money on shopping sprees and treating their friends lavish lunches or dinners, they are attention seekers, they often overreact to any simplest issues, they get sudden outbursts if they don't take their medications properly, and they also get suspicious easily. And yes, they have lesser friends now because most of them can't put up with their lies.
                          [FONT=comic sans ms]Please excuse my poor English. [/FONT]

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                          • Exactly!!

                            Thats her in a nuttshell
                            Last edited by Sisofys7; 13-07-14, 17:05.
                            To safe time, assume I know everything.

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                            • Originally posted by Chotto Matte View Post
                              I'm not trying to insult your friend, but I think she has a bipolar disorder. Her actions are similar to one of my aunts and her daughter (my cousin). They both often make outrageous stories or lies (it gets worse through the years), they love spending money on shopping sprees and treating their friends lavish lunches or dinners, they are attention seekers, they often overreact to any simplest issues, they get sudden outbursts if they don't take their medications properly, and they also get suspicious easily. And yes, they have lesser friends now because most of them can't put up with their lies.
                              Actually that sounds more like Narcissistic Personality Disorder/Borderline Personality Disorder than it does bi-polar. To be clear, I'm not saying anything about any of the mothers; I do not know them personally. But people with BPD can wreak havoc with the lives of everyone around them.

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                              • Originally posted by Puspawarna View Post
                                Actually that sounds more like Narcissistic Personality Disorder/Borderline Personality Disorder than it does bi-polar. To be clear, I'm not saying anything about any of the mothers; I do not know them personally. But people with BPD can wreak havoc with the lives of everyone around them.
                                Although I vaguely remember having called your majesty out before for making "armchair diagnoses" (well, speculation, anyway) of the mental health or mental issues of posters here, in this case I think it's fair enough, (since you are just saying in general terms, not applying it directly to the person under discussion) and as it happens, I agree with your assessment ... the term "bipolar" didn't really seem to fit the symptoms given, but this one does. Good work, Psychiatric Detective Puspawarna.

                                Now, will JIS be able to get a qualified expert witness to testify about this in court? Are such things even done here? Is it possible for JIS's lawyers to ask for a court-mandated psychiatric evaluation of the accusing parents? Is it possible that such evaluations and testimony would be carried out in a fair, unbiased and "uncorrupted" manner, or would have any substantive effect on the case, pending the results? The Shadow knows ...
                                [FONT=Comic Sans MS]Warden: "What we got here ... is failure to communicate."

                                The Dude: "Oh yeah? Well that's just, like, your opinion, man."[/FONT]

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