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  • Abortion Statistics Suprise - USA and Indonesia Compared.

    [SIZE=4] Indonesia[/SIZE]


    Population 238 million. Assume half are women. 119 million.
    33 million women less than 15 in age
    17.5 million women above 45 in age

    Women outside of child bearing age 33+17.5 = 50.5 million.
    2 million abortions per year
    Number of women of child bearing age: (119 - 50.5) = 68.5 million

    Abortions per capita (women) 2/68.5 = 0.02919708 per year


    29.2 abortions per 1000 women


    (15 - 44 years of age per year)

    [SIZE=4]United States[/SIZE]

    Population 313 Million

    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...million-people


    19.58 abortions per 1000 women
    (15 - 44 years of age per year. This is the latest (2008) figure published.)


    http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/graphusabrate.html



    [SIZE=4]Conclusion[/SIZE]



    Indonesia has 49% more abortions than the United States per 1000 women of child bearing age.
    This is despite Indonesia being generally considered as more traditional, conservative and religious than the United States.

    I was surprised by this.

    A shocking estimate from the essaybank article is that 330 000 Indonesian women die each year in illegal abortion operations.


    During medical complications, saving the life of a mother is generally prefered by society over saving the life of a fetus.
    The slaughter of so many women would suggest this preference is not being applied. There is a double hit on a fetus and a mother.
    Secondly, the law does not seem to be effective in preventing or discouraging fetus termination by abortion because they are 49% higher than in the U.S.

    Allowing abortion to become a form of contraception, as in the West, has a great moral and cultural downside to it.
    I believe "sex education" at a very young age as practised in the West exacerbates the situation. (see The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America)
    Is the influence of Western media in Indonesia (Hollywood, HBO, music, etc) that promote sex anytime, any gender, anywhere with anyone to blame?, in a country with little on no sex education?
    Actually, I believe "sex education" counts for nought. What teenager grows up without knowing what his/her sex organ is for and the consequences of using it?

    This is a very complex and serious issue. It seems logical that the only policies possible are liberalisation or a crackdown (with a budget for the police) on illegal abortion operators. The slaughter of so many women is a traumatizing thought.

  • Saifislam
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    Fake.

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  • Annabelle Walker
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  • Sara Angelou
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  • jimmyhalks
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    If women are ready to about their pregnancy then everyone should accept their decision. Its their body and their decision. Most of women abort their pregnancy at home with abortion pills which consists of Mifepristone and Misoprostol.

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  • nentautako
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    Originally posted by nobicycle View Post
    Indonesia has 49% more abortions than the United States per 1000 women of child bearing age.
    This is despite Indonesia being generally considered as more traditional, conservative and religious than the United States.
    just one of the greatest indonesia. despite of et cetera, et cetera.... and luckily they are proud to be the biggest moeslem country in the world... da ya think the hardliners are excluding on those count?

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  • redsnapr
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    [SIZE=2][FONT=arial][SIZE=3]We all have had the same type of discussion at one time or another. This is an issue that cannot be taken lightly and that requires an ethical and moral approach. Religion, sadly, fails in this purpose many times.

    In a related note, today in the US the[/SIZE]
    [COLOR=#000000] "Texas House of Representatives approved a measure Wednesday that would place broad new restrictions on abortions in the state.
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    The legislation would ban abortions past 20 weeks of gestation, require abortion clinics to become ambulatory surgical centers, tighten usage guidelines for the drug RU486 and require doctors who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles of the clinic at which they're providing abortion services."[/COLOR]
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  • ~daun~
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    Originally posted by redsnapr View Post
    So I guess she's fine with all the teenage girls' pregnancies and orphanages full of unwanted babies, as well as the many women dying after having illegal abortions performed in anti hygienic conditions by untrained persons...
    I certainly didn't say she was correct in her thinking, I believe her attitude comes down to both ignorance and a failing to think with an open mind due to religious teachings.

    I did my best to explain to her that people are not willy nilly going around getting pregnant and then taking this pill, I asked her what she would do if she fell pregnant to rape, or if she knew the fetus was somehow compromised and so on. But like a catholic there is no explaining to people who hold a deep set belief.

    Suprisingly, as part of zakat we have the kids from our local orphange at our house monthly for eating and gift giving and praying. My missus knows that most of the kids have been abandoned due to teen pregnancy and family disowning the teen and child. She knows that babies get left in hospitals as the mother flees, that kids are unwanted and seen as a blight to a good families name. She knows most of the kids that come to our house are only orphan by name not by definition.

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  • waarmstrong
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    My complaint would be about unnecessary, moralistic restrictions, as well as adding fuel to some doctors' "god" complexes.
    Last edited by waarmstrong; 11-07-13, 09:16.

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  • redsnapr
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    So I guess she's fine with all the teenage girls' pregnancies and orphanages full of unwanted babies, as well as the many women dying after having illegal abortions performed in anti hygienic conditions by untrained persons...

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  • ~daun~
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    Originally posted by redsnapr View Post
    Your missus complained about the pill being available or about it being prescribed by certain doctors and in certain circumstances?
    About it being available red.

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  • redsnapr
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    Your missus complained about the pill being available or about it being prescribed by certain doctors and in certain circumstances?

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  • ~daun~
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    This is suprising.
    A few weeks ago my missus was watching tv here in Perth and there was a show on about the abortion pill and how it has now been added to the list of government subsidised pharmaceuticals. It went on to explain that the pill can only be prescribed by certain doctors in certain cercumstances.

    My missus went crazy and pretty much bagged all of werstern sociaty. She went on facebook and complained there and all her friend were up in arms.


    I must show her this thread. Or perhaps place a link to it in the comment section of her facebook thing.

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  • rollsofwonton
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    Originally posted by james View Post
    If the reason for not allowing abortion is right to life, then it doesn't make sense to make an exception for rape since the product of rape still is an innocent child. Put another way, if you equate abortion with murder, then why would you allow murdering one child but not another when that child has done nothing wrong.


    I'm not advocating the above position, just pointing out that it is logical.
    Your first paragraph is the reason why a friend of mine is against abortion, abortion = murder. Murderers are being trialed and jailed - some even are sentenced to death, so why the mothers who choose to abort their babies get away scott free, even demanding a law to protect them. Does the unborn baby's life is lesser than that of an adult or a child? That was my friend's concern and question.

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  • mick mentawai
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    I think you will find that most abortions (backyard abortions) happening in Indonesia would possibly not be just young people but rather married couples, the use of contraception among married couples would be much lower compared to the west due to cost, education,religious beliefs, social stigmas and also that these things aren't talked about publicly as much in indonesia as in the west, add to the fact that unlike in the west where most people all there life have had a doctor they regularly see, outside of the city areas (although possibly there too) the common indonesian person more often than not only sees a doctor when there really sick and doesn't have a regular doctor as such.

    And the reason why couples would be having abortions is that unlike in the past where Indonesian couples may have had children in the view of bringing in money, now they are costing money.

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