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    Dear participants, FYI please see below article & note.

    PVV: The Netherlands should support Papuan independence
    ELSEVIER (WEEKLY) 23 NOVEMBER 2011 [www.elsevier.nl]

    According to the PVV (Partij Voor de Vrijheid - Party for Freedom), The Netherlands should support the struggle for independence of the Papuans in New Guinea. Member of Parliament Wim Kortenoeven urges the Minister of Foreign Affairs Uri Rosenthal to insist with the Indonesian authorities not to use violence against Papuan separatists. In any case Dutch diplomats should attend the reading of the Declaration of Independence in New Guinea on the 1st of December. In this way, a bloodbath can be prevented, Kortenoeven states.
    The PVV-Member of Parliament made his speech at the Dutch budget debates of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. He wore a pin of the Morning Star on his lapel. In 1961, this flag was a gift of The Netherlands to the Papuans in support of their aspirations for independence.

    Tribal chiefs
    The Netherlands handed over the colony to The United Nations after a lost war against Indonesia. A condition was that the population would be able to give their opinion about independence in a referendum. In 1969 the UN consulted a number of tribal chiefs. According to Kortenoeven they voted for affiliation with Indonesia in exchange for gifts of every kind and false promises. Ever since the Indonesian army acts with force against Papuans striving for an independent state.

    Debt of honor
    Kortenoeven immediately gained support of the Groen Links-party (GreenLeft) in the House. 'I'm on your side', Mariko Peters said. Acclaim by Minister of Foreign Affairs Rosenthal was less obvious. Until now the Ministers of Foreign Affairs avoided this delicate subject very carefully in their contacts with Indonesia. Not only because of the economic relationship, but also because the colonial history requires restraint. On the question if Papuans would benefit by Dutch interference in the matter, Kortenoeven answered that he is not pleading separatism, but he does plea for self-determination. According to the PVV-Member of Parliament "The Netherlands carry a debt of honour with them".
    ...

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    This is a very strong statement made in the Dutch Parlement from a party with governement responsibility. And comes on a good moment with the upcoming 1st December Celebrations. We believe Dutch and other officials should attend the festivities.

    As posted earlier by us, it is obvious that Papuans can easily finance an improved form of democracy of the non-corrupt kind from who ever offers. Let's roll out this tender for the free world to subscribe on. 40 Years of autonomy-lies and deceit under RI's barbaric military regime is NO OPTION. Indonesian paternalization on Papua development therefore needs to stop immediately as any future Indonesian advice on the development of West Papua cannot be taken seriously anymore.

    The build up of US- troops in Darwin is the first step, the US should now move ahead and withdraw its carte blanche to Indonesia on the Papua- territory. With this the US with help of the Netherlands will step up to their responsibility. This also for US-Freeport's sake with a daily USD 6MLN-loss since it's closing last September. The US should take back West Papua with help of the UN-C24, and re-implement the international 1962 New York Agreement on its merites and purpose (the Referendum-obligation). See link for High Stakes:

    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB128/

    The US should urge the Dutch as co-signers of the 1962 New York Agreement to get an ICJ verdict over RI's administration over Papua,and RI's breach of the 1962 NY Agreement contract. Let's negotiate on the neutral Swiss UN soil in Geneva.

    Setia Djudjur Mesra, Persevero!

  • #2
    Originally posted by Kobe Oser View Post
    The build up of US- troops in Darwin is the first step, the US should now move ahead and withdraw its carte blanche to Indonesia on the Papua- territory. With this the US with help of the Netherlands will step up to their responsibility. This also for US-Freeport's sake with a daily USD 6MLN-loss since it's closing last September. The US should take back West Papua with help of the UN-C24, and re-implement the international 1962 New York Agreement on its merites and purpose (the Referendum-obligation). See link for High Stakes:

    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB128/

    The US should urge the Dutch as co-signers of the 1962 New York Agreement to get an ICJ verdict over RI's administration over Papua,and RI's breach of the 1962 NY Agreement contract. Let's negotiate on the neutral Swiss UN soil in Geneva.
    Looks like you're herewith indirectly asking all the American foreigners to leave Indonesia to give way for an independent West Papua Melanesian state. You could've urged an embargo or any diplomatic pressures to exert pressures on the Indonesian government, but instead you called for the last option on the diplomatic table to be exercised at a time when the US-Indo relationship is flourishing.
    Last edited by ricky_id; 27-11-11, 12:12.

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    • #3
      This legal approach is not going to work because the ICJ only has jurisdiction over states when said states consent to it. Let's just say the chance of Indonesia consenting is very, very slim.

      Is it realistic to expect the US to "liberate" Papua by force? Do you really think the American public is open to the idea of another invasion after Afghanistan and Iraq?

      If you are going against a nation state like Indonesia, you have to formulate a better plan and do your homework.

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      • #4
        This is true, Netherlands will never openly support separatism in Papua. Much less the United States, as Obama has publically stated his support for unity of Indonesia many times. Regardless, whatever some foreigners say or do, the only way for separatism in Papua to succeed is over the dead body of 250 million Indonesians who will fight to the last drop of blood to defend integrity of motherland inherited from the freedom fighters of 1945.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by purnomor View Post
          Regardless, whatever some foreigners say or do, the only way for separatism in Papua to succeed is over the dead body of 250 million Indonesians who will fight to the last drop of blood to defend integrity of motherland inherited from the freedom fighters of 1945.
          Papua wasn't inherited by Indonesian guerillas in 1945, it was annexed forcefully by Sukarno administration.

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          • #6
            ^ Not so, Papua has always been claimed as Indonesian territory since 1945. There were pro-Indonesian movements in Papua (Serui area where some Indonesian nationalists were exiled during war of independence) during 1946-1948 led by native Papuan Mr Silas Papare which was crushed by the Dutch.

            Indonesian delegation fought hard for inclusion of Papua into Indonesia during Round Table Conference of 1949 ("RTC") in the Hague, hence the Dutch themselves promised to commence discussion the future of Papua within one year after signing of Round Table Conference.

            However, the Dutch (as per their bad character) broke their own RTC obligations by establishing separate colony of Netherlands New Guinea in 1950 for the stated purpose of "settling Eurasians displaced by Indonesian independence". The Dutch took Indonesia lightly and believe there is nothing Indonesians can do about it.

            Well, Sukarno proved the arrogant Dutchmen was wrong. After unsuccessful appeals to UN regarding the blatant violation by the Dutch of their own RTC obligations, Indonesia took the military and diplomatic approach by taking advantage of the Cold War rivalry between United States and Soviet Union. Sukarno brilliantly played the two superpowers against each other and successfully incorporated Papua into Indonesia in 1963.

            Hence, to set historical records straight, Indonesia with the help of BOTH United States and Soviet Union, successfully realised Indonesia's original territorial claims of 1945 and chastise the Dutch for their lawless breach of their own RTC promises. The Dutch were duly punished for their blatant disregard of international agreements and contracts.

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            • #7
              Papuans never feel belonging to Indonesia until today, Papua's forceful inclusion into Indonesia was something like the PRC insisting Tibet is part of its territory, even as it's against the will of the Tibetans themselves. The US and the USSR simply bowed to Indonesia's demand to include Papua to gain influence in the Cold War, simply because Indonesia was too big to ignore.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ricky_id View Post
                Papuans never feel belonging to Indonesia until today, Papua's forceful inclusion into Indonesia was something like the PRC insisting Tibet is part of its territory, even as it's against the will of the Tibetans themselves. The US and the USSR simply bowed to Indonesia's demand to include Papua to gain influence in the Cold War, simply because Indonesia was too big to ignore.
                Not so, for based on the contents of New York Agreement of 1962, Indonesia has undertaken Act of Free Choice in 1969 whereby more than a thousand tribal chiefs voted to be part of Indonesia. This result was acknowledged by UN General Assembly Resolution and every country in the world. Hence, your sweeping statement regarding "Papuans never feel belonging to Indonesia" is heavily flawed and of questionable validity. For instance, the Papuan football players in Indonesian national team, or the ethnic-Papuan minister of environment certainly have no problem in serving the Indonesian flag.

                Meanwhile, the Chinese never even bother to undertake such popular consultation with the Tibetans. Integration of Papua into Indonesia is perhaps the most legally sound and democratic integration in the world. Now, if we see annexation of Tibet into China in 1951, it was purely based on military might and never take into account the wishes of the Tibetans. Yet, the area remain Chinese and no country dare to challenge its integration into China. Some white "hippy" types are also shouting loudly about Tibet in the international media, but the Chinese simply give these people the middle finger. Similarly, India is facing huge separatist problems in Kashmir and its Northeastern states which is integrated into India without any consultations at all, but they don't feel like budging from their positions.

                Hence, there is simply no reason for Indonesia to even bother appeasing the separatists just because they make some noisy demonstrations. We definately should not be intimidated by separatists' attempt to use violence, just like we do not allow ourselves to be cowed by terrorist bombs.

                As I said before, every factor such as demography, history, and international geopolitics are against the separatists.

                Of course, since the Papuans are just emerging from Stone Age, Indonesia should attempt to improve effectiveness of its subsidies in improving the human resources quality and economic prosperity of ethnic-Papuans to be at par with the rest of the country as a responsible government. Indonesian military and police should not abandon its tasks in ensuring law and order is maintained in the area.

                As for aid from USA and USSR during early 1960s, what is wrong with using your weight to get your way in international forum? Every country in the world is using such method, even small countries with no real weight often bluff their way around. Why should Indonesia be equal with other countries?

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                • #9
                  Indonesia's time in West Papua Melanesia is runnin' out

                  Originally posted by purnomor View Post
                  Not so, for based on the contents of New York Agreement of 1962, Indonesia has undertaken Act of Free Choice in 1969 whereby more than a thousand tribal chiefs voted to be part of Indonesia. This result was acknowledged by UN General Assembly Resolution and every country in the world. Hence, your sweeping statement regarding "Papuans never feel belonging to Indonesia" is heavily flawed and of questionable validity. For instance, the Papuan football players in Indonesian national team, or the ethnic-Papuan minister of environment certainly have no problem in serving the Indonesian flag.

                  (....)

                  As for aid from USA and USSR during early 1960s, what is wrong with using your weight to get your way in international forum? Every country in the world is using such method, even small countries with no real weight often bluff their way around. Why should Indonesia be equal with other countries?

                  Dear participant, clarification is needed on the above posted phrases of RI-totalitair state indoctinated "thruth" on West Papua as well as opnions expressed in several of your posts, as these aren't factual as well as denying your own Pancasilla and Bhinneka Tunggal Ika philosophy.
                  We believe you haven't been keeping up with current events: For what good is it to point out that the 1962 New York Agreement was executed rightfully with the 1969 Perpera? Promoting this point of view as a fait accompli is pure RI-State Propaganda and certainly not of this time.
                  Please see a historical link on this: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB128/

                  We advise you to add the following fact to your National history version:
                  The original 1945 Proklamasi Sukarno-Hatta was from "A till A" (Atjeh till Ambon), NOT including West Papua. Because on that same day West Papua tribal leaders led by Marcus Wonggor Kaisiƫpo, issued a statement in Kota Nica to RADEN Colonel Abdul Kadir Widojojoatmodjo of the NICA (Netherlands-Indies Civil Administration) which was governing West Papua. The message was simple: "West Papua Melanesia would determine its own future and therefore will never be a part of any new Indonesian state". As from that moment any historical claim of Indonesia on West Papua is not funded as this 1945 Kota Nica statement widely expressed the Will of the West Papua people. why is this fact so hard to acknowledge? And according to this, how are West Papuans be called separatists? Inorder to separate, one has to be ONE at first.

                  So West Papua Melanesia from the beginning had nothing to do with Indonesia's national history and nation-building. With the 1947 Canberra Agreement West Papua as well as its territorial borders were internationally recognized,this happened two years prior to the in 1949 declared Republik Indonesia Serikat (RIS). Furthermore West Papuan delegates attended the 1949 Round Table Conference in The Hague to assure Papuan interests within a Dutch development plan,and was represented from that moment on as a member of the South Pacific Commission with a clear development agenda in the SPC's historical first sessions in Noumea and Suva (Fiji).

                  As the period of 1945 till 1962 was pure nation-building for West Papua and their Dutch teachers, based on mutual respect and upholding the Rule of Law, during that period they were bothered by annoying Indonesian interventions, a politics of undermining West Papuans on their way to Self-determination.
                  This Papuanisation development plan was ment to bring Papuans from the Stone Age- in one step to a modern society, and this succeeded within a 10-year period.The Indonesian argument that Papuans weren't ready for a major vote is not valid, as the installation of the New Guinea Council was executed on a One (Wo)man - One vote system throughout West Papua in 1961.
                  But in several encounters in the tension period of 1961-1962, Indonesian infiltrators were captured time an time again in coordinated actions between Papua-police (controlling the main land) and Dutch Marines (controlling the territorial sea.
                  For moving pictures showing captured RI infiltrants,see link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO2CgjIRr9E

                  According to these facts, West Papua was handed over to RI with the New York Agreement, without any fightings. Superiority stories about RI- troops conquering the Dutch in a battle over New Guinea, therefore are a complete falso, and have to be considered as State -propaganda of the RI military controlled regime or Totalitair State. Controlling West Papua Melanesia with armed forces therefore is outdated. RI simply cannot keep on explaining its Good Governance for WP to the world-opinion. We believe your propagandistic version of RI's nation building as expressed in your posts as pure unitary RI-propaganda, as there are are sound arguments to investigate West Papua's annexation by RI, as well as RI's interpretation of 40 years of Good Governance in West Papua Melanesia.

                  We advise you to get used to the will of the West Papuan people whether coming from Serui or defacto scoring goals on behalf of an RI-football team: It is only by Uited States backing, that RI-s brutal military regime is able to maintain its stance in the ever since 1961 declared Melanesian West Papuan Nation-State. With their vast natural wealth Papuans can easily finance an improved form of democracy of the non-corrupt kind.

                  The US should withdraw its carte blanche to RI on Papua and step up to its responsibility (also for US-Freeport's sake), by taking back West Papua with help of the UN-C24, furthermore RE-IMPLEMENT THE 1962 NEW YORK AGREEMENT TO ITS MERITES AND PURPOSE on the Referendum-obligation.The US should urge the Dutch as co-signers of the 1962 New York Agreement to get an ICJ verdict over RI's administration over Papua,and RI's breach of the 1962 NY Agreement contract, Dutch consent in this matter will make the difference.

                  As RI in the past 40 years revealed to be a BARBARIC MILITARY REGIME in West Papua with an agenda of BRUTAL OPRESSION, there is only one conclusion: RI's state practice has no legitimate argument for its presence in the West Papua Melanesian territory. As the world is turning in with regard to the Arab Spring and with a clear example in this respect; the falling of the once recognised Head of State Murammar Gadaffi. In extension to this, RI's time in West Papua Melanesia has definately run out.

                  Even The Netherlands are now questioning RI's practice in West Papua and making up for errors in the past by officially hoisting the since 1961 internationally recognized Morning Star flag on a governement building on 1 December 2011.
                  This is an UNICUM after 50 years of officially Dutch banning of our National flag and denyal of West Papuan independence. Please pass below link of this historic event and the West Papuan Flag waving Freely, to people interested:
                  See link: http://www.omroepgelderland.nl/web/n...-Apeldoorn.htm

                  We believe the root of the Indonesian Nation-problem is: Javanese expressed superiority within a illegal declared RI by Sukarno at the time. With from that moment on pure intolerance by the Javanese over all other peoples of the former Republik Indonesia Serikat where all Indonesian peoples once agreed upon?

                  Instead of expressing these dubieus RI indoctrinated national history "thruth" on West Papua, we suggest you should question the legitimacy of your nation state RI which is in contradiction with your own Pancasilla philosophy. In the Forum's interest please fill us in should we miss certain facts in this matter.For a reality check on West Papua's future we advise you to forward this link with information to people interested:
                  Link: http://japanfocus.org/-David_Adam-Stott/3597

                  Above all let there be NO MISUNDERSTANDING: How Indonesians are dealing with this internal state etnicity -conflict is of NO CONCERN WHATHOWEVER to the West Papua Melanesian people as Papuans simply want to be freed from TYRANNY or to be more exact,State Terror expressed by the thief state RI, not to mention human rights violations.

                  Setia Djudjur Mesra/ Persevero!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kobe Oser View Post
                    Dear participant, clarification is needed on the above posted phrases of RI-totalitair state indoctinated "thruth" on West Papua as well as opnions expressed in several of your posts, as these aren't factual as well as denying your own Pancasilla and Bhinneka Tunggal Ika philosophy.
                    We believe you haven't been keeping up with current events: For what good is it to point out that the 1962 New York Agreement was executed rightfully with the 1969 Perpera? Promoting this point of view as a fait accompli is pure RI-State Propaganda and certainly not of this time.
                    LOL let me correct your many factual errors, as far as Indonesia is concerned the New York Agreement was indeed executed rightfully with 1969 PEPERA. This result is already acknowledged by UN General Assembly and the entire world community, not only by Indonesian government. Hence, West Papua is indeed an indisputable part of Indonesia according to every international law for perpetuity. The only way for a change in this status is if Indonesian government decided otherwise, and we are not interested in letting-go of a single inch of our territory. Deal with it.

                    As with your little separatist movement, even fellow-Melanesian Papua New Guinea and Fiji refused to admit your "delegation" into South Pacific Forum meetings. In short, the separatist movement has around zero international recognition and no legal basis whatsoever. It is better that you stop wasting your time on unproductive and bankrupt ideology of "separatism" as it is just like chasing shadows.

                    We advise you to add the following fact to your National history version:
                    The original 1945 Proklamasi Sukarno-Hatta was from "A till A" (Atjeh till Ambon), NOT including West Papua. Because on that same day West Papua tribal leaders led by Marcus Wonggor Kaisiƫpo, issued a statement in Kota Nica to RADEN Colonel Abdul Kadir Widojojoatmodjo of the NICA (Netherlands-Indies Civil Administration) which was governing West Papua. The message was simple: "West Papua Melanesia would determine its own future and therefore will never be a part of any new Indonesian state". As from that moment any historical claim of Indonesia on West Papua is not funded as this 1945 Kota Nica statement widely expressed the Will of the West Papua people. why is this fact so hard to acknowledge? And according to this, how are West Papuans be called separatists? Inorder to separate, one has to be ONE at first.
                    Let me kindly correct the many errors in your propaganda fairy tale. Indonesia always has claimed Papua since 1945 under the banner "FROM SABANG TO MERAUKE". The Dutch in their re-colonisation attempt, set-up dozens of puppet states to take advantage of Indonesia's ethnic-diversity, and their puppets such as Marcus Kaisiepo made similar pro-Dutch propaganda statements. Yet, these puppets lost any value in terms of international law once the Dutch departed in 1949 (inline with RTC of 1949) and these puppet states dissolved itself.

                    Hence, this little statement made by Dutch puppet you mentioned is equally worthless and have no relevance with current situation to Indonesia's sovereignity which has been recognised by UN and entire world community. These Dutch puppets have long been consigned to the dustbin of history. There is no use in beating a dead horse.

                    So West Papua Melanesia from the beginning had nothing to do with Indonesia's national history and nation-building. With the 1947 Canberra Agreement West Papua as well as its territorial borders were internationally recognized,this happened two years prior to the in 1949 declared Republik Indonesia Serikat (RIS). Furthermore West Papuan delegates attended the 1949 Round Table Conference in The Hague to assure Papuan interests within a Dutch development plan,and was represented from that moment on as a member of the South Pacific Commission with a clear development agenda in the SPC's historical first sessions in Noumea and Suva (Fiji).
                    LOL, as I said before, there is no use in scavenging in the dustbin of history for some obscure and meaningless activities of Dutch puppets. Let's talk of the present, whereby your little separatist movement cannot even gain admission into South Pacific Forum meetings due to rejection from Fiji and Papua New Guinea. Again, there is no use in beating a dead horse.

                    As the period of 1945 till 1962 was pure nation-building for West Papua and their Dutch teachers, based on mutual respect and upholding the Rule of Law, during that period they were bothered by annoying Indonesian interventions, a politics of undermining West Papuans on their way to Self-determination.
                    This is a false separatist propaganda. The period of 1945-1962 was a mistaken anomaly due to the lawlessness of the Dutch in not fulfilling their 1949 promise in RTC to discuss future of Papua with Indonesia. The intention was to keep Papua as colony ("Netherlands New Guinea") for resettlement of Eurasians displaced by Indonesian independence, while the Papuans are to be the the child-like servants for these master race. For this mistake and for their stubbornness to remain as colonial power, the Dutch was punished by the UN, USA and USSR.

                    This Papuanisation development plan was ment to bring Papuans from the Stone Age- in one step to a modern society, and this succeeded within a 10-year period.The Indonesian argument that Papuans weren't ready for a major vote is not valid, as the installation of the New Guinea Council was executed on a One (Wo)man - One vote system throughout West Papua in 1961.
                    Wrong, the "Nieuw Guinea Raad" was not elected by "one-man, one-woman vote". It was just a worthless puppet organisation to bring some veneer of democracy as cover for Dutch colonialism. Out of its 28 members, only 16 was elected by limited amount of voters in the cities (where the population was mainly Eurasians). The other 12 members (including its speaker) were Dutch officials appointed by the Dutch governor. The "Nieuw Guinea Raad" was even less "democratic" than the Nazi-era "Reichstag".

                    Please note that writing history is not like a fiction-writing class whereby you can make statements based only on your imagination.

                    According to these facts, West Papua was handed over to RI with the New York Agreement, without any fightings. Superiority stories about RI- troops conquering the Dutch in a battle over New Guinea, therefore are a complete falso, and have to be considered as State -propaganda of the RI military controlled regime or Totalitair State. Controlling West Papua Melanesia with armed forces therefore is outdated.
                    LOL, unlike the separatists, Indonesia does not make "stories" as history. Our claim over Papua is based on sound historical and legal foundation, and we never claim to conquer Papua "militarily". Please do not make-up imaginary stories just because you cannot find facts to back-up your false statements.

                    RI simply cannot keep on explaining its Good Governance for WP to the world-opinion. We believe your propagandistic version of RI's nation building as expressed in your posts as pure unitary RI-propaganda, as there are are sound arguments to investigate West Papua's annexation by RI, as well as RI's interpretation of 40 years of Good Governance in West Papua Melanesia.
                    Indonesia never need to explain anything about Papua to "world-opinion". Even US president Obama make strong statement supporting Indonesian unity without being asked. Not a single country in the world dispute Indonesia's ownership over Papua, not even PNG and Fiji. This is because the separatist propaganda is weak and unconvincing, hence you are still very far away from having any influence over "world-opinion".

                    We advise you to get used to the will of the West Papuan people whether coming from Serui or defacto scoring goals on behalf of an RI-football team: It is only by Uited States backing, that RI-s brutal military regime is able to maintain its stance in the ever since 1961 declared Melanesian West Papuan Nation-State. With their vast natural wealth Papuans can easily finance an improved form of democracy of the non-corrupt kind.
                    We advise you to get used to the fact that Papua is part of Indonesia. We do not need a "military-regime" or US support to maintain control over Papua. In fact, there are less soldiers posted in entire Papua and West Papua provinces compared with in the tiny Jakarta area. US never pay Indonesia or provide any special support whatsoever in relation to Papua.

                    This is because Indonesian governance is strong and effective as majority of Indonesian govt officials are ethnic-Papuans themselves.

                    The US should withdraw its carte blanche to RI on Papua and step up to its responsibility (also for US-Freeport's sake), by taking back West Papua with help of the UN-C24, furthermore RE-IMPLEMENT THE 1962 NEW YORK AGREEMENT TO ITS MERITES AND PURPOSE on the Referendum-obligation.The US should urge the Dutch as co-signers of the 1962 New York Agreement to get an ICJ verdict over RI's administration over Papua,and RI's breach of the 1962 NY Agreement contract, Dutch consent in this matter will make the difference.
                    LOL, this will never happen.

                    Even President Obama continuously make statements supporting Indonesian unity without any request from Indonesian govt. Small and insignificant separatists like yourself are far away from being able to influence US president. You are just like a small dog barking on a mountain.
                    Last edited by purnomor; 09-12-11, 11:34.

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                    • #11
                      As RI in the past 40 years revealed to be a BARBARIC MILITARY REGIME in West Papua with an agenda of BRUTAL OPRESSION, there is only one conclusion: RI's state practice has no legitimate argument for its presence in the West Papua Melanesian territory. As the world is turning in with regard to the Arab Spring and with a clear example in this respect; the falling of the once recognised Head of State Murammar Gadaffi. In extension to this, RI's time in West Papua Melanesia has definately run out.
                      LOL, wrong. The "Arab spring" has got nothing to do with Indonesia, since unlike the democracy-starved Arabs, every Indonesian (including Papuans) already has free voting rights to elect its officials from president to village chief.

                      Since the population of Papua is already majority newcomers from other parts of Indonesia, and by 2020 they will reach 70% of the population, it is advisable for you to make reality check that time for separatism has run-out.

                      We believe the root of the Indonesian Nation-problem is: Javanese expressed superiority within a illegal declared RI by Sukarno at the time. With from that moment on pure intolerance by the Javanese over all other peoples of the former Republik Indonesia Serikat where all Indonesian peoples once agreed upon?
                      LOL, please do not scavange the dustbin of history by recycling old failed Dutch propaganda theme of pitting Javanese against non-Javanese. There is no use in beating a dead horse.

                      As far as I know, the UN and every country in the world acknowledge Indonesia as independent state. How exactly is Indonesia "illegal"? I guess you are trying to make a silly joke.

                      Instead of expressing these dubieus RI indoctrinated national history "thruth" on West Papua, we suggest you should question the legitimacy of your nation state RI which is in contradiction with your own Pancasilla philosophy. In the Forum's interest please fill us in should we miss certain facts in this matter.
                      LOL, we Indonesians have no interest in disbanding our country. Deal with this reality instead of dwelling in your own fantasy world.

                      Above all let there be NO MISUNDERSTANDING: How Indonesians are dealing with this internal state etnicity -conflict is of NO CONCERN WHATHOWEVER to the West Papua Melanesian people as Papuans simply want to be freed from TYRANNY or to be more exact,State Terror expressed by the thief state RI, not to mention human rights violations.
                      Since you have clearly stated your extremist and "no-negotiation" position, then above all let there be NO MISUNDERSTANDING: Whatever action is taken by Papuan separatists is of NO CONCERN WHATSOEVER to Indonesia as integration of Indonesia is FINAL and irrevocable for perpetuity, backed fully by all international law.

                      Please do not use the rubric of "human rights" as camouflage for your ethnic-separatism. This only damage the credibility of genuine human rights cases. May I add such abuse of "human rights" rubric is beneath contempt.

                      Setia Djudjur Mesra/ Persevero!
                      Again, considering that practically all of your statements are dishonest, deceiving, or outright childish lies, I suggest you change your motto as there is nothing "djudjur" (honest) about your movement.

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                      • #12
                        Re- implemt the 1962 New York Agreement to it's merites and purpose

                        Dear participant,

                        To be short on this forum for a change: we disagree on things, as well as on furutre West Papua developments. As your above reply is not only NOT factual, according to the propagandistic ratings, you are really pushing it.

                        Simply denying the original "Atjeh till Ambon" Proklamasi at first says it all, this is not to LOL.

                        Setai Djudjur Mesra, Persevero!

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                        • #13
                          Dear traitor,
                          I'm actually interested to know, how much Freeport pays for your SeTAI djudjur mesra slogans....Btw keep the last slogans it is definitely sounds more suitable for you, Kobe...
                          " Lemme get this straight. Killing one person is a murder, but killing a hundred thousand is a foreign policy ?"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kobe Oser View Post
                            Dear participant,

                            To be short on this forum for a change: we disagree on things, as well as on furutre West Papua developments. As your above reply is not only NOT factual, according to the propagandistic ratings, you are really pushing it.
                            LOL, I guess you ran-out of fictional stories to make-up. Let my kindly advise you not to insert too much fiction and outright lies into your attempts to make "propaganda", which I have very easily expose as mere figments of an overimaginative infant. It makes you look ridicilous and your separatism became laughing stock. With talentless people like you as their "spokesmen", no wonder the Papuan separatists never accomplish anything for all their "efforts" in the past 50 years.

                            Simply denying the original "Atjeh till Ambon" Proklamasi at first says it all, this is not to LOL.
                            LOL, as I said, just because you imagine something does not mean it is true. Please do not treat our Indonesian history like some fiction-writing class.

                            Indonesia already claimed the area from Aceh to Papua during PPKI congress of August 1945. We even has a song called "From Sabang to Merauke" to signify our territorial claim from Aceh to Papua. Thanks to our brilliant first president Sukarno, our original territorial claim has been realised, to last for perpetuity. I suggest you to wake up and smell the coffee. Deal with this reality rather than living in your own fantasy world like some overgrown infant.

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                            • #15
                              Lets make the West Papua case an international case instead of an RI exclusive one

                              Originally posted by purnomor View Post
                              LOL, I guess you ran-out of fictional stories to make-up. Let my kindly advise you not to insert too much fiction and outright lies into your attempts to make "propaganda", which I have very easily expose as mere figments of an overimaginative infant. It makes you look ridicilous and your separatism became laughing stock. With talentless people like you as their "spokesmen", no wonder the Papuan separatists never accomplish anything for all their "efforts" in the past 50 years.



                              LOL, as I said, just because you imagine something does not mean it is true. Please do not treat our Indonesian history like some fiction-writing class.

                              Indonesia already claimed the area from Aceh to Papua during PPKI congress of August 1945. We even has a song called "From Sabang to Merauke" to signify our territorial claim from Aceh to Papua. Thanks to our brilliant first president Sukarno, our original territorial claim has been realised, to last for perpetuity. I suggest you to wake up and smell the coffee. Deal with this reality rather than living in your own fantasy world like some overgrown infant.
                              Dear participant,

                              We suggest you dig in your history on the 1945 Atjeh till Ambon Proklamasi a little deeper, it's true.
                              Furthermore we are aware of the song you are referring to, as one should know their enemy, but we dislike it.

                              We believe the Roadmap as pointed out earlier by us is a clear route, also for Freeports interest in West Papua Melanesia.
                              With only the arguments as posted earlier by us, this causes enough stress in RI-'s foreign policy to assure themselves over and over again of US backing, but for how long will this last as the problems at Freeport are becoming to big for RI Generals to handle? We're welcoming the alternative.

                              As the Netherlands come to terms with their past, now is the time for them to remind RI at the international platform on the wrongfull implementation of the international 1962 New York Agreement.
                              See link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ontent=2265502

                              Are you justifiying by using this bold language and stressed out RI victory Nation building history statements, the way RI is currently being governed? How can you deny the fact that the current RI governance, including the state terror against Papuans in their own land, can only be uphold with a US backing up this brutal regime? Our guess is that he world has finally woken up to RI's true face, for nevertheless we have to conclude you must be in Dreamland, but we still would like to give it another effort to convince you on the justified West Papua's Merdeka 100% aim. We advice you to check below information inorder to have a reality check on current events:

                              See link: http://www.pina.com.fj/index.php?p=p...c10ba48f36a8bf

                              See link: http://www.humanrights.asia/news/res...-006-2011/view
                              (please note: above link is exactly why we are convinced that how RI is runnin its country is of NO CONCERN WHATS HOWEVER to the West Papua Melanesian people)

                              See link: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-0...?section=world

                              With the ABC article above, our guess is that RI's state departement diplomatic attemps with promising lies to keep the world opinion happy by maybe allowing international observers entrance to the Papuan territory.
                              Along with propganda statements, this will probably all that is left, once US backing is runnin'out for the FAILED and CORRUPT RI Democracy with its Good Governance. We just a few of these newsarticles and links, we're quite sure that Indonesia's time in West Papua Melanesia is runnin'out. Desperately keeping the international West Papua as an internal RI matter will be a NOT SO in your case.

                              As for participant Mr. Kratos, it is always enlightning to welcome his timed and fruitfull comments to our posts. We can only encourage Mr. Kratos on the fact that there are still chances to become a Frontrunner for West Papua Melanesian Independence. In doing so,he will truly become a Legend, at least in the eyes his favourite football playing Papuans Wanggai & Bonay!

                              For now, let's keep the eye on the ball, by advising from an international perspective the still standing question: So, when do we fix Papua?

                              Insja Allah Na Kores Kaku Ra Refo!

                              Setia Djudjur Mesra

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