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  • Originally posted by johntap View Post
    I cant argue with your knowledge in this area. My case study is rather limited to a smallish Indonesian subsidiary in a once vibrant global industry. It only employs expats now if there is a necessity. It used to have several. The example which prompted my admittedly limited observation, was that of an expat being employed to do a project, who will receive a higher salary than his employing Indonesian boss, a translocation allowance, and a housing allowance of 5000 USD a month, which the boss does not get of course. I would think this will not be common in the future in this industry, and perhaps others.
    Your bolded statement is true now and always has been. Why would a company fork out hundreds of thousands of dollars in salary, relocation expenses, and benefits when they could hire someone local for less? The answer is: because they feel that they are getting value for money. Now, you may disagree with their reasoning - but the people in the best position to know (CEOs, top managers, and HR specialists) at each MNC make the decisions they think will be most profitable for them.

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    • The aircraft factory at Bandung, started by Habbie with hi hopes, fairly successful with expat expertise and could have developed into something good until they got rid of all the expats, of the Indonesian management, my only comment is I have never met such a bunch of arrogant numpties which quickly led to its demise

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      • Originally posted by Puspawarna View Post
        Your bolded statement is true now and always has been. Why would a company fork out hundreds of thousands of dollars in salary, relocation expenses, and benefits when they could hire someone local for less? The answer is: because they feel that they are getting value for money. Now, you may disagree with their reasoning - but the people in the best position to know (CEOs, top managers, and HR specialists) at each MNC make the decisions they think will be most profitable for them.
        I know I am not saying anything new here. Economic necessity is economic necessity. If there is something in what I am saying, it is that businesses will now tend moreso to 'err' on the side of not hiring the expat in these times, and in these 'sunset' industries.

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        • Originally posted by Anglian View Post
          The aircraft factory at Bandung, started by Habbie with hi hopes, fairly successful with expat expertise and could have developed into something good until they got rid of all the expats, of the Indonesian management, my only comment is I have never met such a bunch of arrogant numpties which quickly led to its demise
          I think they are still making planes of 'some' quality aren't they? Even exporting them?

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          • Originally posted by johntap View Post
            I think they are still making planes of 'some' quality aren't they? Even exporting them?
            it went down hill some years back and many staff were laid off, we took on several, we had some people visit the company I worked for touting for business, they were t very commercial so we were t very interested, they have or had great potential, but I think they are just coasting along now, they could do better. It's been a while since I was involved so possibly things might have changed

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            • Didn't a lot of aerospace engineers move abroad back then?
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              • I worked with a young Chinese/Indonesian Architect in Jakarta back in the mid 90s. She had qualified at Trisakti University and then went on to do an internship for a big architectural company in Singapore for a couple of years. When we first met she had only been back in Jakarta for about a year, and was finding the adjustment very difficult as she was actually more experienced and definitely more professional than most of her peers at work. This led to a number of incidents whereby she was verbally abused for being both Chinese and a woman, refusing to lower her standards to the rest of the workforce in the office. the belligerence towards her built up to the degree where she quit the company.

                I bumped into her about 3 years ago in Bali whilst having breakfast on the beach one morning. It was good to catch up and she told me that she has now been working in the US for the last 12 years and was just back on holiday visiting family. When she quit the office in Jakarta she returned to Singapore and worked there for a few years (at treble the salary she was on in Jakarta) before moving to the US with her husband. If this is indicative of how the bright sparks of the Indonesian workforce are treated then the only thing to expect is a brain drain, which doesn't fair well for foreign investment.

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                • Originally posted by jstar View Post
                  Didn't a lot of aerospace engineers move abroad back then?
                  yes a few sheet metal went to MAS and Saudi Arabia, I found them and the engineers were better trained than those from Garuda, I did meet several Brit engineers in Switzerland,

                  my daughter studied law at Trisakti, 75% of the girls in her class never got jobs, got married instead, my daughter decided the salary wasn't worth the effort and now has her own business,

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                  • This is an addition to getting a job for young people especially pretty girls, a girl Friend of my daughter rang my daughter offering her a job with a lawyer that she was leaving his employ, Salary 35 million a month, when my daughter asked how the salary was so hight it appears one of her duties was sleeping with the lawyer, and that is why her friend was leaving as she wouldn't sleep with him either, my daughter took a refusal too

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