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    [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]There are as usual with the law making in Indonesia nothing clear, so I have several different sides of this law, now are there any who actual knows how long one has to been residence or if goes by employment then how long.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Tks[/FONT][/COLOR]

  • #2
    if i translate this rite: you are wondering if anyone know how long a person need to stay in indonesia or how long you need to stay employed (?) before getting a permanent residency visa? is this what you mean to ask?
    because i still dont understand the question

    check out the threads in laws and visa section in this forum, you may find your answer there, if not, find a guy named atlantis, he should be able to answer all your question
    .: love is in the air :.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by smily View Post
      [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]There are as usual with the law making in Indonesia nothing clear, so I have several different sides of this law, now are there any who actual knows how long one has to been residence or if goes by employment then how long.[/FONT][/COLOR]
      [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Tks[/FONT][/COLOR]
      Maybe you should tell more about:
      - What is your actual status (KITAS/non KITAS)?
      - When did you first get your status?
      - What reasons entitled you this status (foreign expert? investor? spouse of WNI? retired?...etc)?

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      • #4
        Permanent recidence

        Originally posted by atlantis View Post
        Maybe you should tell more about:
        - What is your actual status (KITAS/non KITAS)?
        - When did you first get your status?
        - What reasons entitled you this status (foreign expert? investor? spouse of WNI? retired?...etc)?
        My status is KITAS & I have been in Indo close to 9 years.
        I'm married Indo woman we have 2 children born in Indo.
        I'm what you could call foreing expert.

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        • #5
          Who can apply for a KITAP?

          Law in fact is quite clear, but as in many cases in Indonesia, this is more a problem of getting the right text of law with all of its amendment. Once you get it, everything becomes very clear and the only remaining difficulty is to explain it to the one who are supposed to know it: the Petugas Imigrasi, who in many case genuinely ignores the law. Once you get that done, things are smooth because at higher level (ie KanWil or DitJen), they know the law.

          Concerning KITAP, here are the two main sources that you need to keep in mind:

          1. Pasal 49, Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 32 tahun 1994 corrected by its second amendment as stated in the Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 38 tahun 2005:
          [FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2](1) Izin Tinggal Terbatas dapat dialihkan statusnya menjadi Izin Tinggal [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Tetap.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT]
          [FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2](2) Pengalihan status sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) dapat diberikan atas dasar permintaan orang asing yang bersangkutan, dengan syarat telah berada di wilayah Negara Republik Indonesia sekurang-kurangnya 2 (dua) tahun berturut-turut sejak tanggal diberikannya Izin Tinggal Terbatas.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Basically, it means that (1) an ITAS can be transformed in an ITAP and that (2) this transformation of status can be given after a demand of the foreigner with the condition that he already stayed a minimum of 2 full successive years in Indonesia since the date that his ITAS has been given.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Then you also need to look at:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]2. Pasal 72, Keputusan Menteri Kehakiman nomor M.02-IZ.01.10 tahun 1995 corrected by its second amendment as stated in the Peraturan Menteri Hukum dan Hak Asasi Manusia nomor M.01-IZ.01.10 tahun 2007[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Verdana]
          [SIZE=2][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2](1) Izin Tinggal Terbatas dapat dialihstatuskan menjadi Izin Tinggal Tetap, kecuali Izin [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Tinggal Terbatas Kemudahan Khusus Keimigrasian;[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=2][FONT=Verdana]
          [SIZE=2][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2](2) Alih status Izin Tinggal Terbatas menjadi Izin Tinggal Tetap sebagaimana dimaksud[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=2][FONT=Verdana]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]dalam ayat (1) dapat diberikan kepada orang asing dalam rangka:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]a. menanamkan modal;[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]b. bekerja sebagai tenaga ahli langka;[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]c. bekerja sebagai pimpinan tertinggi perusahaan;[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]d. melaksanakan tugas sebagai rohaniwan;[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]e. menggabungkan diri dengan suami atau istri warga negara Indonesia;[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]f. menggabungkan diri dengan orang tua bagi anak sah pemegang paspor asing dari [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]seorang warga negara Indonesia;[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]g. menggabungkan diri dengan suami atau istri pemegang Izin Tinggal Tetap;[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]h. menggabungkan diri dengan orang tua pemegang Izin Tinggal Tetap bagi anak [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]yang berumur di bawah 18 (delapan belas) tahun dan belum kawin;[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]i. memperoleh kembali kewarganegaraan Republik Indonesia berdasarkan Undang-[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Undang Nomor 12 Tahun 2006 tentang Kewarganegaraan Republik Indonesia;[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]atau[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]j. wisatawan lanjut usia mancanegara.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2](3) Alih status Izin Tinggal Terbatas menjadi Izin Tinggal Tetap harus memperhatikan [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]aspek kemanfaatan orang asing tersebut bagi pembangunan nasional dan aspek [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]kemanusiaan.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]This is the article of law which lists the category of KITAS holder that could be entitled to be issued a KITAP. They are:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]a.) investors[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]b.) rare foreign expert[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]c.) top foreign manager of a company[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]d.) foreign churchmen carrying religious duties[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]e.) foreign spouse joining an Indonesian husband or wife[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]f.) legitimate child who holds a foreign passport joining an Indonesian parent[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]g.) foreign spouse of a foreigner holding a KITAP[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]h.) legitimate unmarried foreign child (under 18 y.o) joining a foreign father/mother who is a KITAP holder.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]i.) Former Indonesian willing to regain Indonesian citizenship as per Citizenship law number 12/2006[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]j.) Retired foreigner*[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]If your KITAS doesn't belong to any of these category, then you can not apply for a KITAP. Being a foreign expert is not enough as you can see. In your case, if you are not part of the top management, you will certainly have to wait until you stop working and that your Indonesian wife sponspors you for a KITAS (without having the right to work then). Then after 2 years, you will be able to apply for a KITAP.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]However, belonging to one of the above categories is not enough... If you read the (3), it says that the change of status (from ITAS to ITAP) must consider the benefits that this foreigner brings to the nation in terms of national development and must consider the human aspects. This is for the very least highly subjective, and apart for the one belonging to the categories c.), d.), e.), f.), g.), h.) and i.) it may well remain a demand without automatic approbation. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

          [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]If your change of status is accepted, you will receive a KITAP which allows you to remain in indonesia for 5 years... that's worth the hassles.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]


          *definition of "retired" is given in Keputusan Menteri nomor M.04-IZ.01.02 Tahun 1998 tentang Pemberian Visa dan Izin Keimigrasian Bagi Wisatawan Lanjut Usia Mancanegara[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
          Last edited by atlantis; 02-06-09, 21:31. Reason: add the * part

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          • #6
            Atlantis, as with myself and Etienne, we are looking in the retirement category..re: the length of visa say 1st year..then extendable to 5 years after that..what happens after the 5th year. Etienne is abit concerned about that, as we do not just want to stay 5 years and having to uproot. We are looking for a 'permanent' residing country til as long as we grow old and decrepit...LOL..

            So...it is not just limited for 5 years right?

            Thanks Atlantis!
            kau begitu sempurna, dimata ku kau begitu indah

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            • #7
              Originally posted by izamarina View Post
              Atlantis, as with myself and Etienne, we are looking in the retirement category..re: the length of visa say 1st year..then extendable to 5 years after that..what happens after the 5th year. Etienne is abit concerned about that, as we do not just want to stay 5 years and having to uproot. We are looking for a 'permanent' residing country til as long as we grow old and decrepit...LOL..

              So...it is not just limited for 5 years right?

              Thanks Atlantis!
              After the legal end of a KITAS or a KITAP, you apply for an extension of it. 6 months, 1 year or 2 years (depending on your category and remaning validity of your passport) for the KITAS and 5 years for a KITAP... Extensions are much easier to get than the "first step".
              For Etienne and you, there is a few "technical" stuff to address, but it won't be a problem to stay 30 years or more. KITAS Lansia (retirement visa) are now quite easy to get though the legal requirements are a bit of an headache and this is why I often advice to go through an agent for this particular type of visa (all the others can be addressd alone to my opinion). The main technical problem to address for you guys is the fact that you need to be married so that Etienne can sponsor you for a KITAS (as a joining spouse) once he will get his own KITAS Lansia. If not married, you will have to wait your own 55 y.o to get your own KITAS and stay in Indonesia with Visa Kunjungan Sosial Budaya untill then if you don't want to marry.

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              • #8
                And don't forget to vote to the poll
                It will allow me to answer more precisely to any questions when I'll be back from Europe in January.

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                • #9
                  hello everybody.atlantis I have noticed that you are the person who knows the most about visas and all.my wife is indonesian and she heared from somebody she knows ,who works for the gouverment ,that there is a new law for men who are merried with an indonesian.it seems that you can get a doubble nationality,so you don't have to leave the country every 6 months.i have to tell you that we still live in belgium but that we have plans for moving to semarang.thank you

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sugijarto View Post
                    hello everybody.atlantis I have noticed that you are the person who knows the most about visas and all.my wife is indonesian and she heared from somebody she knows ,who works for the gouverment ,that there is a new law for men who are merried with an indonesian.it seems that you can get a doubble nationality,so you don't have to leave the country every 6 months.i have to tell you that we still live in belgium but that we have plans for moving to semarang.thank you
                    Hi Sugijarto,
                    I answered to your question on that thread:
                    http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...ead.php?t=1146
                    At post #5

                    You asked me the question last time but may have not noticed the answer. Just click on the link.
                    If it is still unclear, or if you have any other question, feel free to ask directly there.

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                    • #11
                      Tks very much

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by atlantis View Post
                        For Etienne and you, there is a few "technical" stuff to address, but it won't be a problem to stay 30 years or more. KITAS Lansia (retirement visa) are now quite easy to get though the legal requirements are a bit of an headache and this is why I often advice to go through an agent for this particular type of visa (all the others can be addressd alone to my opinion). The main technical problem to address for you guys is the fact that you need to be married so that Etienne can sponsor you for a KITAS (as a joining spouse) once he will get his own KITAS Lansia. If not married, you will have to wait your own 55 y.o to get your own KITAS and stay in Indonesia with Visa Kunjungan Sosial Budaya untill then if you don't want to marry.
                        Thanks Atlantis, I see the point on the age thing in the requirements re: KITAS Lansia. Perhaps its best for me to be the joining spouse, instead of going through the rigmarole of applying my own when I come of age Save time, administration and money.

                        OMG!! a wedding!! more OMG!! freak out!!!(oops!, wrong thread...I'll go to love diary for that)
                        kau begitu sempurna, dimata ku kau begitu indah

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                        • #13
                          thanks atlantis, you are doing good work here. keep it up.
                          the information you provide is really useful.
                          regards
                          azfar

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                          • #14
                            Atlantis

                            I recently asked one agency in Bali about obtaining a retirement visa on my and my wifes behalf. I am 63 so no problem but they said it would not be possible for my wife as she is 20 years younger than me.

                            We have been married for 25 years and have all the paper work etc. Do you have anything definitive on this. We are both UK passport holders.
                            Regards

                            Jimbo

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jimbo View Post
                              Atlantis

                              I recently asked one agency in Bali about obtaining a retirement visa on my and my wifes behalf. I am 63 so no problem but they said it would not be possible for my wife as she is 20 years younger than me.

                              We have been married for 25 years and have all the paper work etc. Do you have anything definitive on this. We are both UK passport holders.
                              Hi Jumbo,

                              Answer is: CHANGE AGENT

                              Many regulations talk about KITAS but one in your case is interesting because inside one article you have the answer of your question for both you and your wife. It is the Article 67 of the Peraturan Menteri M.02.IZ.01.10 tahun 1995 correctly amended by the Peraturan Menteri nomor M.01-IZ.010 tahun 2007. It states the different categories of people which are entitled to get a transformation of their Izin Kunjungan in an Izin tinggal terbatas. It says:
                              [FONT=Times New Roman]Pasal 67[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Times New Roman](1) Alih Status Izin Kunjungan menjadi Izin Tinggal Terbatas dapat diberikan kepada orang asing dalam rangka:[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Times New Roman]a. menanamkan modal;[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Times New Roman]b. bekerja sebagai tenaga kerja ahli;[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Times New Roman]c. bekerja sebagai pimpinan perusahaan;[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Times New Roman]d. melaksanakan tugas sebagai rohaniwan;[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Times New Roman]e. mengikuti pendidikan dan pelatihan;[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Times New Roman]f. mengadakan penelitian ilmiah;[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Times New Roman]g. menggabungkan diri dengan suami atau istri warga negara Indonesia;[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Times New Roman]h. menggabungkan diri dengan suami atau istri pemegang Izin Tinggal Terbatas atau Izin Tinggal Tetap;[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Times New Roman]i. menggabungkan diri dengan orang tua pemegang Izin Tinggal Terbatas atau Izin Tinggal Tetap bagi anak yang berumur di bawah 18 (delapan belas) tahun dan belum kawin;[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Times New Roman]j. pertimbangan kemanfaatan untuk kesejahteraan masyarakat dan/atau alasan kemanusiaan berdasarkan pertimbangan Keputusan Direktur Jenderal Imigrasi;[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Times New Roman]k. memperoleh kembali kewarganegaraan Republik Indonesia berdasarkan Undang-Undang Nomor 12 Tahun 2006 tentang Kewarganegaraan Republik Indonesia;[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Times New Roman]atau[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Times New Roman]l. wisatawan lanjut usia mancanegara.[/FONT]

                              Now, if you take a look at point h.) and point l.) you already get the answer.
                              As a retired (over 55 y.o - definition of "lanjut usia" to be found in Permen nomor M.04-IZ.01.02 Tahun 1998 tentang Pemberian Visa dan Izin Keimigrasian Bagi Wisatawan Lanjut Usia Mancanegara) foreign tourist you are entitle to a KITAS. Becoming a KITAS holder, you can sponsor your legally married wife to have a KITAS (point h.).
                              The agent did not explore all the possibilities of the law and just answer you as if both of you would apply for a KITAS Lansia (Lanjut usia). Your wife being 43 is still 12 years short from one of the requirement of the KITAS Lansia... But who said she wanted to have a KITAS Lansia when she can have a KITAS ikut suami with no age requirement!?
                              This agent obviously does not even know the law about KITAS Lansia. Permen nomor M.04-IZ.01.02 Tahun 1998 tentang Pemberian Visa dan Izin Keimigrasian Bagi Wisatawan Lanjut Usia Mancanegara states in its article 7:
                              [FONT=Tahoma-Bold]Pasal 7[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Tahoma]Istri sah dari Wisatawan Lanjut Usia pemegang Izin Tinggal Terbatas dapat diberikan status keimigrasian yang sama dengan suaminya.[/FONT]
                              (The legal wife of a retirement ITAS holder can be given the same status (ie ITAS) of her husband).

                              Where did he see that there is an age requirement for your wife !? The only requirement is that she is your legal wife.

                              So in your case, here is the best solution.
                              1. You enter in Indonesia with a Visa Kunjungan Lansia
                              2. Your wife enter in Indonesia with a Visa Kunjungan Sosbud
                              3. You process through an agent (a real one, who knows what he is doing/talking about) the transformation of your izin kunjungan lansia in an izin tinggal terbatas lansia.
                              4. Once you get it, you become the sponsor of your wife for her to obtain the transformation of her izin kunjungan sosbud to an izin tinggal terbatas ikut suami.

                              As simple as that...

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