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    [FONT=Arial]Info on dengue is easily accessible on the Internet. Info regarding the risks, transmission,
    consequences of infection and methods to protect yourself (and your family) are all well
    documented. But there remains a large amount of misinformation and ignorance on this
    critical health issue.[/FONT][FONT=Arial]

    If you suspect a Dengue infection the most important steps are:[/FONT][FONT=Arial]

    1. BLOOD TEST: If you suspect you have dengue (sudden onset of fever and first symptoms
    & usually a headache and joint aches & pains) GET A BLOOD TEST IMMDEIATELY.
    You need to know your baseline thrombocyte and hematocrit levels at the outset and
    keep an eye on them in subsequent blood tests. If your thrombocyte level – normally
    150,000 to 400,000/ul - drops below 100,000/ul or your hematocrit increases by more
    than 20% you are in the DHF risk zone. In cases of confirmed dengue fever you will need
    blood testing twice each day and oral/intravenous fluid replacement so hospitalization
    is STRONGLY RECOMMENDED once the disease is confirmed as intravenous and
    oral fluids and daily blood monitoring are required.[/FONT][FONT=Arial]

    2. There are 4 strains of the disease. If infected by any strain you will have lifetime immunity to that
    particular strain… and that strain ONLY – THIS IS THE HIDDEN DANGER OF DENGUE. If
    subsequently you are infected by one of the other strains your immune system will react to
    the new infection as if it is the same as the previous strain and use that antibody to fight the
    new infection - without making a new antibody to fight this different strain - this is where Dengue
    Hemorrhagic Fever (DHF) or Dengue Shock Syndrome (DSS) become real possibilities. DHF and
    DSS are life-threatening even to healthy individuals. Mortality from Dengue Fever is 1 to 2% but
    mortality after the onset of DHF jumps as high as 30%![/FONT][FONT=Arial]

    As to the potency of DHF just last week Michael Ruslim, President Director of Astra and an otherwise
    healthy 56 year-old, sadly passed away in [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Singapore[/FONT][FONT=Arial] due to complications from DHF. He fell ill on 16
    December, was transferred to [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Singapore[/FONT][FONT=Arial] on 18 December, and passed away on 20 December - just 4
    days after first being hospitalized. [/FONT][FONT=Arial]

    It is also reported that in [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Indonesia[/FONT][FONT=Arial] the real death rate due to dengue is under-reported as many deaths,
    especially young children in poverty ridden areas, go unreported.

    [/FONT][FONT=Arial]3. Dengue is transmitted mainly by the Asian Tiger Mosquitoes - aedes aegyptii and aedes albopictus.
    These mosquitoes are active mainly during daylight hours BUT if they enter a house they will also bite in
    the evenings.(The anopheles mosquito which carries the malaria parasite on the other hand bites from
    dusk until late at night)[/FONT][FONT=Arial]

    4. Protection against mosquitoes: [/FONT][FONT=Arial]
    Insecticides: We have seen too much indiscriminate fogging in [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Indonesia[/FONT][FONT=Arial] and this is allowing the
    mosquitoes to become resistant to many of the insecticides used. Also - some space sprays marketed
    here contain insecticides not permitted for indoor use in western countries. Another problem with space
    sprays is they only last a short time and then the mosquitoes will enter the house again soon afterwards.

    Mosquito coils and the electric vaporizing devices have very limited coverage area and are prohibited for
    indoor use in many western countries.

    Commercial insect repellants sold in the local market have limited effectiveness and their us is only
    recommended when venturing outside – they are not recommended for 24 hour protection.[/FONT][FONT=Arial]

    Plants such as lavender, citronella, basil and rosemary are avoided by mosquitoes but there effective
    range is only a meter or two which means you would have to literally fill your house and garden with them
    to get effective protection.[/FONT][FONT=Arial]

    Traps and zappers use light in the UV frequency to attract insects as the light represents a "safe" haven
    for them - unfortunately the female mosquitoes entering your house are driven by a compulsion to feed on
    blood in order to obtain the protein they need to produce eggs - they are NOT seeking a "safe" place.
    Research has shown that traps normally catch the mosquitoes AFTER they bite and do not significantly
    reduce biting frequency. In any case they are mainly effective only after dark as the lamp has limited
    visibility to insects in daylight hours - the hours when the dengue carrying mosquitoes are seeking a
    host. In summary these devices, although effective in trapping & killing insects, are only useful in a dark
    room where humans are not present – rather pointless in terms of protection.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]

    Fortunately there is now a safe and effective solution which continuously protects indoors areas against
    mosquitoes. The product marketed by my company has been approved by EPA and FDA in the [/FONT][FONT=Arial]USA
    [/FONT][FONT=Arial]over 40 years and is approved by the Indonesian Departments of Agriculture and Health. It is now being
    used in an increasing number of expat homes in Indonesia as well as restaurants, offices, schools,
    hotels, hospitals etc - wherever mosquitoes are a problem. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial]Anyone interested in complete protection for your home or business against disease carrying
    mosquitoes please contact me by e-mail or personal message through these forums and I will forward
    some information on our product. If you need more immediate attention (your house or business has
    been taken over by mosquitoes) just call me on 081910491376[/FONT]
    Walk quietly and carry a bloody big stick... (Teddy Roosevelt didnt say "bloody" did he?)

  • #2
    Originally posted by BULE_NYASAR View Post
    [FONT=Arial]Info on dengue is easily accessible on the Internet. Info regarding the risks, transmission,
    consequences of infection and methods to protect yourself (and your family) are all well
    documented. But there remains a large amount of misinformation and ignorance on this
    critical health issue.[/FONT][FONT=Arial]

    If you suspect a Dengue infection the most important steps are:[/FONT][FONT=Arial]

    1. BLOOD TEST: If you suspect you have dengue (sudden onset of fever and first symptoms
    & usually a headache and joint aches & pains) GET A BLOOD TEST IMMDEIATELY.
    You need to know your baseline thrombocyte and hematocrit levels at the outset and
    keep an eye on them in subsequent blood tests. If your thrombocyte level – normally
    150,000 to 400,000/ul - drops below 100,000/ul or your hematocrit increases by more
    than 20% you are in the DHF risk zone. In cases of confirmed dengue fever you will need
    blood testing twice each day and oral/intravenous fluid replacement so hospitalization
    is STRONGLY RECOMMENDED once the disease is confirmed as intravenous and
    oral fluids and daily blood monitoring are required.[/FONT][FONT=Arial]

    2. There are 4 strains of the disease. If infected by any strain you will have lifetime immunity to that
    particular strain… and that strain ONLY – THIS IS THE HIDDEN DANGER OF DENGUE. If
    subsequently you are infected by one of the other strains your immune system will react to
    the new infection as if it is the same as the previous strain and use that antibody to fight the
    new infection - without making a new antibody to fight this different strain - this is where Dengue
    Hemorrhagic Fever (DHF) or Dengue Shock Syndrome (DSS) become real possibilities. DHF and
    DSS are life-threatening even to healthy individuals. Mortality from Dengue Fever is 1 to 2% but
    mortality after the onset of DHF jumps as high as 30%![/FONT][FONT=Arial]

    As to the potency of DHF just last week Michael Ruslim, President Director of Astra and an otherwise
    healthy 56 year-old, sadly passed away in [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Singapore[/FONT][FONT=Arial] due to complications from DHF. He fell ill on 16
    December, was transferred to [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Singapore[/FONT][FONT=Arial] on 18 December, and passed away on 20 December - just 4
    days after first being hospitalized. [/FONT][FONT=Arial]

    It is also reported that in [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Indonesia[/FONT][FONT=Arial] the real death rate due to dengue is under-reported as many deaths,
    especially young children in poverty ridden areas, go unreported.

    [/FONT][FONT=Arial]3. Dengue is transmitted mainly by the Asian Tiger Mosquitoes - aedes aegyptii and aedes albopictus.
    These mosquitoes are active mainly during daylight hours BUT if they enter a house they will also bite in
    the evenings.(The anopheles mosquito which carries the malaria parasite on the other hand bites from
    dusk until late at night)[/FONT][FONT=Arial]

    4. Protection against mosquitoes: [/FONT][FONT=Arial]
    Insecticides: We have seen too much indiscriminate fogging in [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Indonesia[/FONT][FONT=Arial] and this is allowing the
    mosquitoes to become resistant to many of the insecticides used. Also - some space sprays marketed
    here contain insecticides not permitted for indoor use in western countries. Another problem with space
    sprays is they only last a short time and then the mosquitoes will enter the house again soon afterwards.

    Mosquito coils and the electric vaporizing devices have very limited coverage area and are prohibited for
    indoor use in many western countries.

    Commercial insect repellants sold in the local market have limited effectiveness and their us is only
    recommended when venturing outside – they are not recommended for 24 hour protection.[/FONT][FONT=Arial]

    Plants such as lavender, citronella, basil and rosemary are avoided by mosquitoes but there effective
    range is only a meter or two which means you would have to literally fill your house and garden with them
    to get effective protection.[/FONT][FONT=Arial]

    Traps and zappers use light in the UV frequency to attract insects as the light represents a "safe" haven
    for them - unfortunately the female mosquitoes entering your house are driven by a compulsion to feed on
    blood in order to obtain the protein they need to produce eggs - they are NOT seeking a "safe" place.
    Research has shown that traps normally catch the mosquitoes AFTER they bite and do not significantly
    reduce biting frequency. In any case they are mainly effective only after dark as the lamp has limited
    visibility to insects in daylight hours - the hours when the dengue carrying mosquitoes are seeking a
    host. In summary these devices, although effective in trapping & killing insects, are only useful in a dark
    room where humans are not present – rather pointless in terms of protection.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]

    Fortunately there is now a safe and effective solution which continuously protects indoors areas against
    mosquitoes. The product marketed by my company has been approved by EPA and FDA in the [/FONT][FONT=Arial]USA
    [/FONT][FONT=Arial]over 40 years and is approved by the Indonesian Departments of Agriculture and Health. It is now being
    used in an increasing number of expat homes in Indonesia as well as restaurants, offices, schools,
    hotels, hospitals etc - wherever mosquitoes are a problem. [/FONT]

    [COLOR=Red][FONT=Arial]Anyone interested in complete protection for your home or business against disease carrying
    mosquitoes please contact me by e-mail or personal message through these forums and I will forward
    some information on our product. If you need more immediate attention (your house or business has
    been taken over by mosquitoes) just call me on 081910491376[/FONT]


    [/COLOR]
    I wonderred what this was all about, it's an advertisement, dishonestly disguised IMHO and in the wrong thread, as some friendly advice despite the topic being fairly extensively coverred in previous posts within the forum... sneaky mate! and a -1 for you!
    IknowthatyoubelieveyouunderstandwhatyouthinkIsaid, butI'mnotsureyourealisethatwhatyouheardisnotwhatI meant.

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    • #3
      Thanks for the score omdafyd... I guess that means I passed.

      We have done considerable research on Dengue over the past 3 years and I haven't seen any single posting that gives adequate coverage and useful information - especially if you suddenly show symptoms you are unlikely to be in the frame of mind to chase snippets of information contained in the threads.

      Our product is effective and 100% garanteed and as it actually prevents considerable suffering and expense we consider it essential that people at least be aware of it.

      If this is in the wrong thread I apologise. I had read the posting guidelines and am aware 1 post per month is acceptable for advertising a product. Anyway - I am sure the moderators will move it to its rightful place - wherever that may be.
      Walk quietly and carry a bloody big stick... (Teddy Roosevelt didnt say "bloody" did he?)

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      • #4
        No, that means you get downgraded in your rep, and I'm sorry but I simply don't accept that you as a businessman was not aware of the section specifically for business posts at the bottom of the main page...
        IknowthatyoubelieveyouunderstandwhatyouthinkIsaid, butI'mnotsureyourealisethatwhatyouheardisnotwhatI meant.

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        • #5
          Can you please post copies of the official certifications that you claim to have, and also, if you do reply refrain from taking further advantage to again plug your product.
          BTW, is there a refund available if I catch Dengue after using your 100% guranteed product.
          IknowthatyoubelieveyouunderstandwhatyouthinkIsaid, butI'mnotsureyourealisethatwhatyouheardisnotwhatI meant.

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          • #6
            EPA Registration Number: 334-386-7052
            FDA Establishment Number: 334-IL-2
            DEPKES RI PKD: 30701600-569
            DEPTAN RI Nomor Pendaftaran: RI.2463/5-2006/T

            If you can garantee you will not go outside your house we would be happy to garantee 100% refund if you catch dengue, chikungunya, filaria and/or malaria

            I am new on this site so I will go and look at the bottom of the main page now... thanks for the advice...
            Walk quietly and carry a bloody big stick... (Teddy Roosevelt didnt say "bloody" did he?)

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            • #7
              Cool, and as far as your guarantee goes, that's the first time you mentioned the disclaimer... it's always in the fine print ...

              I am a little regretfull, just slightly, at my strong reaction to your post. You are entitled and welcome to advertise, I don't make the rules or have any say, other than being opinionated. I just get tired of the constant bombardment from either Individuals or Companies abusing the site [COLOR=Red]only to try and make a profit.[/COLOR]
              We would welcome advice, this is what this forum is predominately for, and as I have said before, if you provided genuinely good advice by contributing positively to the forum as a poster first, your reputation as a member and a businessman would increase, and therefore potentially offer you better business opportunities.
              IknowthatyoubelieveyouunderstandwhatyouthinkIsaid, butI'mnotsureyourealisethatwhatyouheardisnotwhatI meant.

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by BULE_NYASAR View Post
                EPA Registration Number: 334-386-7052
                [COLOR=Red]FDA Establishment Number: 334-IL-2[/COLOR]
                DEPKES RI PKD: 30701600-569
                DEPTAN RI Nomor Pendaftaran: RI.2463/5-2006/T

                If you can garantee you will not go outside your house we would be happy to garantee 100% refund if you catch dengue, chikungunya, filaria and/or malaria

                I am new on this site so I will go and look at the bottom of the main page now... thanks for the advice...


                Would you be able to help me with my search, I've tried medical devices and Drugs, but as you can see, I'm not having much luck. I'm not familiar with your product or the FDA site so any directions you could give me would be appreciated.
                The name of the Product, a Website, anything at all would be helpful.
                * FDA Home

                Search Search took 0.03 seconds.

                Your search - Establishment Number: 334-IL2 - did not match any documents.
                [COLOR=Red]No pages were found containing "Establishment Number: 334-IL2".[/COLOR]

                * Home
                * Food
                * Drugs
                * Medical Devices
                * Vaccines, Blood & Biologics
                * Animal & Veterinary
                * Cosmetics
                * Radiation-Emitting Products
                * Tobacco Products


                * FDA Home

                Search Search took 0.02 seconds.

                Your search - 334-IL2 dengue fever - did not match any documents.
                [COLOR=Red]No pages were found containing "334-IL2 dengue fever".[/COLOR]
                IknowthatyoubelieveyouunderstandwhatyouthinkIsaid, butI'mnotsureyourealisethatwhatyouheardisnotwhatI meant.

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                • #9
                  [FONT=Arial]I am not sure if the product can be searched on the FDA or EPA sites. It is not a medical device or drug – it is an automatic insect control system which repels insects and stops the biting impulse in mosquitoes. I also tried searching and got no result on FDA.[/FONT]

                  [FONT=Arial]In the [/FONT][FONT=Arial]USA[/FONT][FONT=Arial] and other western countries the product is used in hospitals, schools, restaurants etc. to protect from flies. [/FONT]

                  [FONT=Arial]For Asia we undertook a 3 year research program in cooperation between 3 Universities (1 in Malaysia and 2 in the USA) in order to develop the product to be specifically effective against mosquitoes as the USA product was not effective during initial testing here in 2005.[/FONT]

                  [FONT=Arial]Rather than be accused of plugging the product here I will send you further details and links to product information and MSDS by private message.[/FONT]
                  Walk quietly and carry a bloody big stick... (Teddy Roosevelt didnt say "bloody" did he?)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BULE_NYASAR View Post
                    [FONT=Arial]I am not sure if the product can be searched on the FDA or EPA sites. It is not a medical device or drug – it is an automatic insect control system which repels insects and stops the biting impulse in mosquitoes. I also tried searching and got no result on FDA.[/FONT]

                    [FONT=Arial]In the [/FONT][FONT=Arial]USA[/FONT][FONT=Arial] and other western countries the product is used in hospitals, schools, restaurants etc. to protect from flies. [/FONT]

                    [FONT=Arial]For Asia we undertook a 3 year research program in cooperation between 3 Universities (1 in Malaysia and 2 in the USA) in order to develop the product to be specifically effective against mosquitoes as the USA product was not effective during initial testing here in 2005.[/FONT]

                    [FONT=Arial]Rather than be accused of plugging the product here I will send you further details and links to product information and MSDS by private message.[/FONT]

                    Actually It would be far preferable if you did post the info publiclly, and as for acccusing you of plugging your product, you already have, again!
                    I will allow you the opportunity to post the info you sent me first, after all it is your product, otherwise I will. My point is that you are advertisiing a product, and people are entitled to know the details about it, [COLOR=Red]especially the Health Warnings[/COLOR] given in the brochure you sent me but which are glaringly missing from your advertisement.

                    BTW, Natural Pyrethrins have been around as a counter measure for insect repellant since time immemorial...
                    Last edited by ohmdafyd; 29-01-10, 09:36.
                    IknowthatyoubelieveyouunderstandwhatyouthinkIsaid, butI'mnotsureyourealisethatwhatyouheardisnotwhatI meant.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by omdafyd View Post
                      Actually It would be far preferable if you did post the info publiclly, and as for acccusing you of plugging your product, you already have, again!
                      I will allow you the opportunity to post the info you sent me first, after all it is your product, otherwise I will. My point is that you are advertisiing a product, and people are entitled to know the details about it, [COLOR=Red]especially the Health Warnings[/COLOR] given in the brochure you sent me but which are glaringly missing from your advertisement.

                      BTW, Natural Pyrethrins have been around as a counter measure for insect repellant since time immemorial...
                      Okay Om… now I will have to give a detailed explanation of the product so that you – and any other readers – understand what we are talking about. This was not my intention but it is now necessary in order to adequately reply to your last post.

                      The product we market in Indonesia is the only system of continuous protection against mosquitoes which is considered “safe for humans” under internationally recognised standards. In various forms and formulations this type of system has been used in western countries under numerous brands for over 40 years.

                      When compared to any other insect control product in the market it wins hands down in terms of effectiveness, safety and level of protection.

                      It is true that pyrethrins have been around for a long time – [COLOR=red]but not here in [/COLOR][COLOR=red]Indonesia[/COLOR][COLOR=red].[/COLOR] This long history of usage also means Pyrethrin has been thoroughly tested and its record of safety to humans is well documented. Pyrethrin is also called “nature’s insecticide” and in some European countries has been taken internally to cure worm problems. It is extracted from the chrysanthemum flower and because it is a natural product the price and availability fluctuates. The high cost is one reason it is not widely used in developing countries like Indonesia.

                      The key difference between our product and anything else in the market is that it is a [COLOR=red]controlled system of protection[/COLOR]. The product consists of an automatic aerosol dispenser which, at preset intervals, releases a controlled amount (50 milligrams) of aerosol into a relatively large air volume of 150 – 170 cubic meters recommended for our product. The aerosol is quite different from space sprays as it is much finer and does not settle out of the air – it remains airborne and effective for much longer. Our product is supplied with detailed installation and usage instructions to ensure the regulated limits of safety are adhered to.

                      In summary – what the product does is continually maintain a very low background level of the active component in the air of the space being treated to repel mosquitoes and stop them from biting – it is NOT designed to kill them directly but if they do not leave the area they will die due to dehydration as they cannot feed. As to the relative safety of the level mentioned please read the following information – at the extremely low levels mentioned the product is easily metabolized by humans and is not considered a health risk.

                      In the USA there are regulations set by the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS). Under HHS is the Center for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC) which controls the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) which in turn establishes standards for human exposure to various substances. Under NIOSH guidelines the maximum acceptable tolerance for human exposure to Pyrethrin is 5,000 micrograms per cubic meter of air volume. Our product – when used according to the instructions – results in a level of active ingredient of only 100 to 250 micrograms per cubic meter. This is only 2 – 5% of the level permitted by the US regulatory authority. For this reason the products are approved for use in areas occupied by humans and are widely used in restaurants, food factories, hotels, schools as well as private residences.

                      When we use aerosol space sprays the amount of amount of active component released into the air can be well above the safe level - this is why we have to leave the room after spraying. Under EPA regulations for use of space sprays the instructions that manufacturers are required to print on the cans is that the room should be closed after spraying for 2 hours and then the doors and windows opened for 20 minutes before the room is occupied again. Obviously if we do not follow these instructions we risk exposure to unacceptably high levels of insecticides. [COLOR=red]If we do follow the instructions the mosquitoes can re-enter the room during the airing process.[/COLOR]

                      Also – in Indonesia – there are space sprays which contain the insecticide propoxur – a carbamate insecticide - which under EPA regulations is not permitted for use inside buildings and under NIOSH has no acceptable minimum or maximum continuous exposure limit.

                      Practical experience in Indonesia indicates [COLOR=red]flagrant disregard for safety in use of insecticides[/COLOR]. We see daily television advertisements showing mosquito coils being used indoors and electric insecticide vapourising units being used next to children’s beds when these products are [COLOR=red]not even permitted for indoor use in the [/COLOR][COLOR=red]USA[/COLOR][COLOR=red]![/COLOR] We know consumers spray aerosol insecticides in rooms without leaving the room. They spray the bedrooms and do not wait the required period before entering – usually they check after about 15 minutes – “masih bau nggak?” – then enter the room. We know that aerosol insecticides used here sometimes contain ingredients not permitted for indoor use in the west – these aerosols settle out rapidly on all surfaces including bedsheets and pillows and their residence time is extremely long thereby increasing the risk posed by absorption through the skin.

                      When talking about insect borne diseases and protection from them there is always an argument of benefit (protection from vector insects) and effect (effect of the protection on the health of the individual). We simply state that our product provides [COLOR=red]continuous protection, around the clock,[/COLOR] at levels which are recognised as safe by the regulatory authorities in the USA (and many other western countries).

                      You are Australian (as am I) so I suggest you take a look at the products in our own country. Specifically the “MicroMist” product from Raid and the Mortein “NaturGard” which have recently been introduced. They work on a similar principal to our product except ours is targeted to be more effective against mosquitoes by eliminating the risk of them becoming immune (this reduced immunity risk is the basic difference between our product and those sold in western countries).

                      For application of the system in private residences we normally try to protect the entrance areas rather than the entire house. For example if mosquitoes are only entering through the garage we can normally protect the home effectively by protecting the garage only. If there are multiple entry points we then consider protecting the main living area – but not the bedrooms. In principal we do not recommend using the product in bedrooms because effective protection of the living areas normally provides automatic protection for the bedrooms – [COLOR=red]without any use of chemicals in the bedroom[/COLOR] (very important as we all spend a minimum 30% of our lives there).

                      In other applications – office buildings, schools, hospitals (high risk places for contracting vector borne diseases) etc we use similar principals as above – protect the entrance areas usually provides adequate protection of the entire building.

                      For customers who by personal preference do not want to use any kind of insecticide in their homes we immediately advise that our product may not be for them but offer the information above to allow them to make an informed choice.

                      The links I sent you were for basic product information and the MSDS (Material Data Safety Sheet). The MSDS (not brochure as you incorrectly mention) is a requirement only for commercial users who operate ISO and/or HACCP (Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point) systems. The MSDS is designed to advise users what dangers are involved in case of [COLOR=red]accidental exposure due to product spillage or discharge[/COLOR] – not during normal usage. The MSDS mentions reference to OSHA standards regulated by NIOSH (at the top of the first page) and any commercial user would automatically refer to these standards for “normal” usage limitations – which have already been mentioned above. Under normal usage the product is considered safe for humans.

                      In the end it is for the individual to decide whether they wish to expose themselves to the potential risk of lethal infection by insect vectors or to protect themselves. We simply off an alternative protection product which has many advantages (continuous 24 hour protection, complies to international safety standards, totally controlled system, no need for use in bedrooms, automatic operation) and almost no disadvantage when compared to anything else presently in the market.

                      [FONT=&quot]Questions…???[/FONT]
                      Walk quietly and carry a bloody big stick... (Teddy Roosevelt didnt say "bloody" did he?)

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                      • #12
                        I think the best way is to kill the sodding mozzies in the first place.
                        Spray around at night and use those little plug in insect murder things by "Hit".
                        Spread a bit of deet on if I go out at night and I never get bitten.

                        So much easier.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mas Fred View Post
                          I think the best way is to kill the sodding mozzies in the first place.
                          Spray around at night and use those little plug in insect murder things by "Hit".
                          Spread a bit of deet on if I go out at night and I never get bitten.

                          So much easier.
                          ah yes... you really need to read what is in it on the label... what we expose ourselves to in getting rid of these small winged disease ridden vampires...
                          I had heard that if you drink a bottle of the liquid spray you will never have a problem with dengue - or in fact any other illness - ever again...
                          Last edited by BULE_NYASAR; 29-01-10, 17:37.
                          Walk quietly and carry a bloody big stick... (Teddy Roosevelt didnt say "bloody" did he?)

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                          • #14
                            [QUOTE=BULE_NYASAR;57839]ah yes... you really need to read what is in it on the label... what we expose ourselves to in getting rid of these small winged disease ridden vampires...
                            I had heard that if you drink a bottle of the liquid spray you will never have a problem with dengue - or in fact any other illness - ever again...[/QUOTE]

                            That's also been said of alchohol, watch what happens if you drop some worms into a glass of the stuff, pure alchohol I mean ... Possible but false conclusion, drink the stuff and you will never have worms ...

                            Thanks for your informative and lengthy post, tho' to be honest there are, as always to be fair, qualifications in some of your statements, however moving on.
                            I have made my point, potential consumers are now much more aware and informed and in the process, your personal reputation has been enhanced compared to your first post, for the effort at least...
                            Caveat Emptor
                            IknowthatyoubelieveyouunderstandwhatyouthinkIsaid, butI'mnotsureyourealisethatwhatyouheardisnotwhatI meant.

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                            • #15
                              Actually I'm glad there's some discussion of dengue going on. It;s a really nasty disease. I had a visitor to my house recently who had caught it travelling in Indo, came down with it suddenly, and she didn't have a clue about it. Was wondering why she still felt weak a whole week or so after coming down! I did some research for her and told her how badly it affected the blood count etc.. she was one of those vegan ninnies who's first response was to 'detox and purify'- ie try to starve herself although she seriously needed some nutrition. She was sleeping about 15 hours a day when she was here. At least we persuaded her to get a travel type mosquito net, even if she was averse to advise to eat something..anything... stronger than fruit salad...
                              dogs were undoubtedly provided by the gods to keep Bali from perfection. Miguel Covarrubias, 1937.

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