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    Hello all,

    I have had other topics explaining, my situation.
    To make it short, my wife will never support me, by sponsoring my marriage kitas. We are married officially in Indonesia as a protestant. And the children have 2 nationalities, Dutch and Indonesian.
    My children are there, and I could come with a sosio budaya visa or tourist visa. But I got limited facilities like no bank account or use of my local driving licence and I have to get out of the country.

    I would like to stay in Indonesia to see my kids growing up. As far as i have researched, there is no special visa for a father to visit their children.
    I need to have a sponsor my lawyer said.

    Does anyone knows if there is another way for a long term stay legally without any hassle with immigration etc?

    Thanks

    Danny

  • #2
    make a PMA (Foreign Investment Company) and get KITAS for yourself. it's a way, but not a cheap way.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Danny1234 View Post
      ... Does anyone knows if there is another way for a long term stay legally without any hassle with immigration etc?

      Supposing you mean , getting an one year KITAS not for work and without any Indonesian family member except your kids : Retirement KITAS (for people older than 55) , Investor KITAS (don't know the minimum investment value) , Student KITAS , and Researcher KITAS .

      The easiest option in my view would be the (single entry) Social Cultural/Family visit Visa (Sosbud Visa) , for up to 180 days . About bank accounts , I think it is still possible to open one without KITAS . My rural bank , for example , can open an account without KITAS (good interest rate for saving account , but neither ATM card nor internet banking) . You can also bring a recommendation letter from your country's bank , maybe you can find an Indonesian bank that accepts it + a Surat Domisili as alternative to KITAS .
      And an international driving license may be used .


      http://www.expat.or.id/info/docs.html (visas/documents)

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      • #4
        Thanks for the answers, I do have a bank account since I owned the marriage kitas and its still active, so i guess they would not disable my account if they find out I am not having a marriage KITAS anymore.

        And yeah it would be a sosial budaya, which is the easiest and cheapest sulution. A PMA is too much hassle and very expensive while I don't do any business there yet.

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        • #5
          http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...=5217#post5217 (post no.4 , sample of sponsor's letter for a Sosbud)

          http://www.kbrikualalumpur.org/index...l-requirements (KL Visa General Req./prices)
          http://www.kbrikualalumpur.org/index...-cultural-visa (KL Req. for Sosbud)

          http://www.kemlu.go.id/singapore/Pag...px?IDP=53&l=en (Singapore's Embassy)

          http://www.kemlu.go.id/en/kedutaan/default.aspx (other Embassies/Consulates websites/addresses)

          http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...s+Kuala+Lumpur (how to get a Sosbud in KL)

          http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...0822#post60822 (post no.12 , agents in Singapore)
          Note : agents' prices are old . Since then the Sosbud official fee changed from USD45 to USD50

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          • #6
            Danny, whatever your query might be, i am not familiar of that, but i am so sad to hear about you and your wife,

            Hope you can find a good solution so you may accompany your kids,

            Regards.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Danny1234 View Post
              1. My wife will never support me, by sponsoring my marriage kitas.
              **But I got limited facilities like no bank account or use of my local driving licence and I have to get out of the country.
              You can inbox me, if you wish to for this; but getting sponsor from your wife is the easiest and the best way to enter and stay in Indonesia. ** will be taken care, if you get this sponsorship. Can know the reason of not sponsoring?

              Originally posted by Danny1234 View Post
              2. Does anyone knows if there is another way for a long term stay legally without any hassle with immigration etc?
              Your other best option would be to get a job in Indonesia and the travel to your place would be much easier, or even they can accompany you in other Indonesian city. What is your expertise/ skillset?

              BTW, are you dutch? I think there are special rules for dutch nationals, but need to check on that. Good Luck !!

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              • #8
                Hi, I was hoping to get some advice as feeling desperate. My brother is married to a non Muslim Indonesian and they have two children with dual nationalities. The marriage has broken down and this woman has made his life a living hell. Her hatred towards him is unjustified and toxic. She antagonises him on a daily basis and quotes the law to remind him that he is entitled to nothing and has no rights. They have a business, in her name and thus she has access to all finances. Her family have no idea how she has treated him and she uses them, her legal and police contacts to bully him to leaving Indonesia. He is devastated and absolutely broken and we feel helpless. He will potentially leave with nothing but the clothes on his back. She is taking great pleasure in his unhappiness. Not seeing his kids again is killing him and I worry for his health. Does he really have no rights? I have contacted the embassy and hopefully will get some assistance. This situation seems deeply unfair.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Colleen1 View Post
                  ... The marriage has broken down ... They have a business, in her name ... Not seeing his kids again is killing him ... Does he really have no rights? ...

                  I need to know more details of the situation :
                  (1) Did they divorce already ?
                  (2) Did they make a prenup/separated wealth ?
                  (3) Did they start the business after the marriage ?
                  (4) Does he have a KITAS or a KITAP ?
                  (5) How many years they have been married ?

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                  • #10
                    Hi Marcus, he is not divorced. No pre nup. Yes they started business after marriage. He has a KITAP and been married 6.5 years. Thank you

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                    • #11
                      Be informed that I am not a lawyer .

                      As an ordinary foreigner who knows a little about Indonesian Immigration/marriage rules , I suggest him to stay married and living together with his wife , in order to have the right to take care of the children . By leaving the house his wife has a good reason to get the divorce and the custody of the children , so maybe she will not allow him to even see the children after that .

                      By not having the prenup , the business could be only of the PT PMA type , so if it is only on the wife's name , it is not according to the rule (although I never heard of a problem related to that) .

                      If they somehow end up divorcing (besides loosing the children custody) :
                      - by not having a prenup , the wealth accumulated during the marriage belongs to husband and wife (50% to each one) , according to the Marriage Law (UU no.1 , year 1974 , Article 35 , see below) ,
                      - An Immigration Regulation allow him to keep the KITAP if he finds (within 60 days after the divorce) a new sponsor , but this sponsor needs to be financially well .


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                      UU no.1 , Tahun 1974 , Pasal 35
                      (1) Harta benda yang diperoleh selama perkawinan menjadi harta bersama. (Wealth accumulated during the marriage belongs to husband and wife .)
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                      http://www.expat.or.id/info/divorce-...indonesia.html (about divorce)

                      http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...079#post264079 (post no.5 , reasons for divorce)

                      http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...orce..now-what (divorce , children custody)

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                      • #12
                        Hi Marcus, thank you very much. Can she not divorce him, even if he objects? What if she leaves anyway? My brother needs to come home for a short time as we have had a bereavement in the family, he is obviously not leaving his family but I suspect she will try and suggest that he has. She is already bad mouthing him regarding this and trying to discredit him. Thank you for advice, I will it pass it on.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Colleen1 View Post
                          (1) ... Can she _ divorce him, even if he objects?

                          (2) What if she leaves anyway? My brother needs to come home for a short time ...

                          Note : I withdraw the word "not" from your first question because I suppose you made a mistake .

                          (1) I don't know but guess that it is not easy when the husband doesn't want and the couple has children . Maybe he should hire a lawyer for that .

                          (2) I suggest your brother inform of his future absence to : the local representatives (Mr/Mrs RT and/or RW , kepala Desa/village chief) , local friends , neighbors , ...

                          And better not to stay out too long , as if she files for divorce , the Court will schedule the first meeting but if he cannot be found after some 3 tries , I suppose she can get the divorce due to his absence .


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                          http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...413#post281413 (post no.34, divorce with missing wife)

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