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  • macvert
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    Originally posted by martindo View Post
    Mac, didn't you comment a month or so ago about non-Hindu kids being forced to participate in Hindu ceremonies at public schools in rural Bali? I guess you moved to Denpasar?

    Anyway, my 11-year-old said they all stand outside for EVERY assembly, not just the first day of the school year. Frankly, I don't see what else they can do in a small elementary school, because few public ones are built with auditoriums -- the only large meeting area is the schoolyard.

    She said that sometimes kids faint from the heat. I guess the best preventive (other than changing school, if a better one is actually an option) would be to make sure she/he drinks enough liquids before the assembly.

    Indeed I did comment about public schools, no we haven't moved to Denpasar but among other reasons outlined that is why he is now staying with the Salvos & we enrolled him in this private school.

    I saw a school assembly on my way to Medewi the other day, maybe 100 kids or so, the big difference was that they were all standing under an enormous tree. In Australia maybe 10 years ago a program was implemented to plant large shade trees in all public schools for this very reason.

    & yes, carrying water is something we are actively drumming into his head..
    Last edited by macvert; 03-08-14, 12:16.

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  • martindo
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    Mac, didn't you comment a month or so ago about non-Hindu kids being forced to participate in Hindu ceremonies at public schools in rural Bali? I guess you moved to Denpasar?

    Anyway, my 11-year-old said they all stand outside for EVERY assembly, not just the first day of the school year. Frankly, I don't see what else they can do in a small elementary school, because few public ones are built with auditoriums -- the only large meeting area is the schoolyard.

    She said that sometimes kids faint from the heat. I guess the best preventive (other than changing school, if a better one is actually an option) would be to make sure she/he drinks enough liquids before the assembly.

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  • macvert
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    [COLOR=#222222][FONT=Verdana]My wife tells me hazing is a leftover from the Soeharto era so I suppose that means everybody was looked upon as a potential soldier.[/FONT][/COLOR]


    [COLOR=#222222][FONT=Verdana]It's a bit of a difficult situation for us with our options for schooling limited but we are looking into alternatives ...... the thing is that he now has many friends with whom he goes to school & is very happy in that respect.[/FONT][/COLOR]

    [COLOR=#222222][FONT=Verdana]My wife is in charge of proceedings, not that I am shy or reserved but we are in Indonesia where it sometimes seems to me that bules count for SFA except what's in our wallets.[/FONT][/COLOR]


    [COLOR=#222222][FONT=Verdana]We are treading lightly & as I said he has a doctor's note which excuses him from taking part in any of these activities & we are at present concentrating on his personal well being because this ordeal has scared him somewhat ..... thanks for the thoughts & input...... I particularly like the Lame Excuse strategy that The Diamond suggested, sort of like playing them at their own game. [/FONT][/COLOR]


    [COLOR=#222222][FONT=Verdana]Akubrahat…. no worries mate (from 1 Australian to another ) yours & any constructive advice is always appreciated but honestly, taking the family to Australia isn't really that much of an option for me despite free medical & (apparent) free schooling, it's so goddam expensive to live there these days, the rent I pay here isn't much more than the council rates I pay in Australia & living on the poverty line aint really that much fun.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    Last edited by macvert; 03-08-14, 00:08.

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  • saigon
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    Originally posted by macvert View Post
    Recently our 17 year old attended School Orientation Day & onarrival at school all students were made to run around the basketballcourt in mandatory uniform of long pants & shirt before having toMarch in front oa a police presence of half a dozen officers. Allstudents then had to stand in the sun for 2 hours while the police &teachers took shelter in shade...
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    My oh my, at the first read I thought you enrolled him on military academy!

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  • ScooterIndo
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    Sorry to hear about your boy - if this was the first day and he was treated this way alarm bells should be ringing. Name and shame the school after you pull him out and let the headmaster know your feelings and intentions. There was a case recently whereby hazing left 3 pupils dead after a mountaineering trip and the police actually brought charges against the offenders.

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  • dafluff
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    During my time in school here, hazing was pretty common. Mostly it was done under the guise of orientation or initiation. People fainting was pretty common, though I don't recall anyone hospitalized or injured. There was the 1 week orientation which was on school grounds, with the hazing ritual in the afternoon. Mostly the seniors design tasks that are basically impossible to complete, then you get "punished" for it. Mostly involving physical things like push-ups or crawls etc, but also theatrical things like pretending to be a dog or something. Also lots and lots of standing at attention, saluting and marching (maybe some Japanese influence...I'm not sure). Then later in the school year there was another week long initiation to join school organizations which was off school grounds and was a bit more rigorous. Most "memorable" was laying down in a wet sawah. Yay.

    Typical small-minded, ignorant behavior if you ask me, but then this country is full of that. Unfortunately it has taken victims and sometimes makes the news. If they really want to stop this behavior they should start leveling criminal charges at perpetrators and school administrators, with real prison terms. If it were my child I would press charges and file lawsuits.

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  • macvert
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    He's only staying with The Salvation Army, it's a private school in question SMK PGRI 3 in Denpasar

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  • martindo
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    The university hazing by "seniors" described by Little M has been banned, but the OP was talking about an official ceremony. Last time I attended one was when my stepdaughter served as drum majorette for the band of her high school, which was about 10 years ago.

    I'm unclear if the devastating event occurred at public school and THEN you put him into Salvation Army School. Or did it occur at the latter?

    Even if orientation has been banned from public schools, I wonder if the same "assembly" method is still used for graduation or other ceremonies?

    BTW, this kind of outdoor "respect by standing still in the hot sun" also occurs in other countries, like Thailand.

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  • naughtygab
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    if you have twitter.. try to add anies baswedan. he's the candidate for Mendikbud.
    Originally posted by macvert View Post
    Thanks for the input guys, very much appreciated. My wife has just told me that Jokowi apparently has a Facebook or Twitter account.

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  • macvert
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    Thanks for the input guys, very much appreciated. My wife has just told me that Jokowi apparently has a Facebook or Twitter account.

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  • jimmi james
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    That would be DIKNAS, and yes you can.

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  • mrtessster
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    You could make a complaint to whatever organisation gives accreditation to private schools. But I would think you would first have to make an approach to the school itself. I certainly would not be letting it go. If you can afford it, you might consider seeing a lawyer first. After all, apart from the damage done to your son, you are paying for a service.

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  • naughtygab
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    so sorry to hear what happen with your son. orientation day at school should have been banned long time ago. but seems as people restart it again and thought it was fun they re-do it again without considering how far could they go and what's the limit. talking to the head master would be the first thing to do, to avoid any further torture. orientation day was supposed to make the newbies understand the rules of the school, know their place, classes, teachers and seniors. it could have been done in a more positive way ..i hate orientation day.. thank god i was naughty enough to managed skipping all orientation days at school and university .

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  • akubrahat
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    mate....seriously, this is a terrible story. How horrible for you and family.

    You didn't ask for advice , but of if were you I would stop mucking around and get the wife and kids to Australia. No where is perfect but he will get free school, any bullying issues the school has to sort out, and he can probably get a decent job after. So many of my friends are trying to stick it out here with corrupt immigration, monthly visa runs, school issues and no job prospects. Get a job with Kitas in country when you can and come back on a good basis. Better medical care for the wife too.

    I feel for you no anyway, best of luck. Hard times for lots of Indo married expats right now.

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  • macvert
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    Home schooling isn't really an option for us as things stand, wetook him out of the local public school for several reasons, 1. theirpathetic excuse for an education, 2. he had no friends where we live& 3. he had become increasingly addicted to facebook &wandering around like a lost soul & annoying his younger sisters.


    He is now in this private school (yes private school) in Denpasar& staying at the Savation Aemy Orphanage which he really likes &has many friends. I have inspected the orphanage & it is a niceplace with good facilities & good people running the show, whohelped my wife enormously when he was in hospital & I was stuckin Australia so absolutely no problems there.
    Other boys from the orphanage (which does not only house orphans)go to the same school which at least has definite job opportunitieswhen he finishes & that is the main reason we enrolled him there.


    We were lucky that our medical insurance covered all his medicalbills.


    I have encouraged my wife to contact other parents whose kids wereeffected & form a plan of action, I feel my personal hands arerelatively tied being a bule & I don't want to make matters worsebecause of that fact, I'll just hang in the background.


    Ya, I've imagined many ways of extracting the shit from theheadmaster but I think I'm just dreaming …. lol


    We have a doctors certificate stating that he can no longer takepart in any of these kinds of activities & will put it to gooduse & also drummed it into his head to always carry water toschool.


    Really, Orientation day banned? ….. my wife told me about UniOrientation Day & I said the same,... just flatly refuse.


    Good ideas about spreading the word through media I think thatshould be a major part of the combined parents action plan &hopefully we can get something off the ground off the ground.


    Maybe I'm sounding a bit lame myself at the moment but honestlyI'm worn out after doing the raging tiger act for a couple of weeks…..

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