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Protest boat destroyed!
Have a look at the video and pictures in the link.
http://www.theage.com.au/environment/whale-watch/protest-boat-destroyed-20100106-lubs.html
I've been watching this one on the news.
The protesters have stated they were out to physically block the nasty bastard Japanese out to kill whales for research. (The Japanese are talking a load of bollocks by the way. They are hunting.)
The angles are difficult to sort out on the video but, unless the Japanese captain was a total prat, that was a deliberate attack.
Pick the charges he should be in court for.
I hope that provides an unbiased view of the event.
I've been watching this one on the news.
The protesters have stated they were out to physically block the nasty bastard Japanese out to kill whales for research. (The Japanese are talking a load of bollocks by the way. They are hunting.)
The angles are difficult to sort out on the video but, unless the Japanese captain was a total prat, that was a deliberate attack.
Pick the charges he should be in court for.
I hope that provides an unbiased view of the event.
Right Fred... very unbiased.
As a boat owner I'm a member of many boating forums. The overwhelming majority on those forums say the Sea Shepherds are just a bunch of media-seeking eco-terrorists.
There are many videos of this event on the web, both from the Sea Shepherd and the Whaler boats.
Unfortunately, my broadband is not fast enough to usefully see the videos but many others have commented that the speed and maueverability of the Sea Shepherd boat, compared to the giant whaler, precluded the Japanese from cause.
They also observed that the purpose of the Sea Shepherd was to throw nets into the props of the whale boat.
That, in itself, can be viewed as high sea hi-jacking.
IMO the political, ethical and legal case needs to be handled accordingly...not by self-appointed vigilantes.
Anti-whaler David
David, there two videos available, one from each group.
The one that was taken from the furthest position away from the two vessels, appear to show that at the point of impact the Ady Gil was stationary having just slowed down, it also appears to be the casein this video, and is being reported in the Australian Media that the Japanese trawler actually changed it's position resulting in the collision.
It was also reported that the Japanese trawler completely ignored the distress signals given out by the Ady Gil.
Both the New Zealand and Australian Authorities have both announced investigations and that Maritime law specialists say charges are likely to be laid over the collision, but it's too early to say against who.
Right Fred... very unbiased.
As a boat owner I'm a member of many boating forums. The overwhelming majority on those forums say the Sea Shepherds are just a bunch of media-seeking eco-terrorists.
Anti-whaler David
One of the few things I don't like about Indonesia is the poor internet speeds. It stops me getting these videos.
I must agree the protesters are out for publicity and may well be out to damage the whalers.
In this case I don't see much problem with either.
The Japanese are just out hunting while trying to convince the world it's research. Not that anyone would actually believe them.
Normally I would agree with you that vigilantes1, and even most protests, are a load of old crap.
In this case no bugger is stopping them so what else is there to do?
I suppose we could always talk and hold conferences until they hunt the whales to extinction. That way we could say "I told you so" and be really smug at the Japanese.
1 - Not Charles Bronson. He was cool.
There have been numerous talk fests with the Japanese on this issue, all with no result, which is why these Action Protests have been organised, to dramatically publisise, the mass slaughter of the Whales, and all in Australian, not Japanese waters I believe.
I once read somewhere, that despite the Japanese claiming a Cultural and historical link to eating Whale meat, that it actually was a direct result of the food shortages emanating from WW2, anyone know anything more about this point of view.
It's for scientific research.
and all in Australian, not Japanese waters I believe.
The area is in International Water, off Antartica, about 1500 miles from Australia.
This is a copy from a report issued last summer:
The Earthrace biodiesel boat made headlines last year during an around-the-world trip using biodiesel - it wasn't an easy journey (http://green.autoblog.com/2008/07/01/earthrace-finally-finally-finishes-record-circumnavigation-atte/). The ship's future could also be fraught with difficulty. The Earthrace website (http://www.earthrace.net/index.php?section=1) says the boat is for sale with an asking price of $1.5 million but we hear reports that the boat may soon find another life as part of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society fleet hunting down whale hunting ships in Antarctica. In fact, it's the Sea Shepherd group that might purchase the boat, and the ship's owner likes the idea. "I would like to see it go to someone whose heart is in the right place. Sea Shepherd would be the perfect ending to this," he told Stuff.co.nz (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2344400/Earthrace-to-enter-new-era). The fast Earthrace boat could be used as a "strike vessel" to hassle whaling ships while the group's slower Steve Irwin vessel brings up the rear.
Looks like they got their wish...it sure was struck...wonder how much this doomed boat was insured for.
I saw this strange craft in Vancouver on its world trip...that was before it crashed into a fishing boat off the coast of Guatemala at night, killing 1 and seriously injuring 2.
Compensation was paid to the victims families and the crew were released from custody.
One wonders how a multi-spendy boat like this could not see a fishboat on radar...going too fast maybe?
About the same time as the above incident I helmed/navigated a 66 foot private power yacht across the Sea of Cortez at night...I saw everything ahead of me either visually, using a searchlight, or on radar.
Mind you...I was safely steering at 8-10 knots and not out to break any records, nor risk killing a sea turtle or even a plastic bag...and there were lots of both.
Conservation friendly David
It's for scientific research.
What's that smell?
Ah, Bullshit.
'The whaling is conducted in international waters, but usually within the huge patch of ocean that is designated as Australia's maritime rescue zone and that Canberra considers a whale sanctuary.
But rules governing Antarctica are not clear cut. The frozen continent and the oceans around it are administered by agreement between nations, and there are conflicting claims about sovereignty.'
'Japan did not recognise Australia's jurisdiction in the region.'
'Sea Shepherd says the Ady Gil was sitting idle and the whaler deliberately rammed it. Japan says the activists' boat was moving toward its ship and a miscalculation on their part caused the collision. Neither side's version - which happened near Commonwealth Bay about 2400km south of Australia - could be independently verified.'
"The Japanese harpoon vessels stayed close by but offered no assistance at any time."
"They refused to acknowledge any distress signal."
Japan kills about 1200 whales a year in Antarctica under what it says is a scientific programme allowed by the International Whaling Commission despite a broader moratorium on killing the mammals.
Full report...
http://www.theage.com.au/national/ady-gil-sinks-after-collision-20100108-lxlh.html?autostart=1
Melbourne Age
8th January
OM...thanks for the link to the AU newspaper but that report was broadcast by AAP. I read it elsewhere.
What is interesting, however, is they show a picture of the crew on Ady Gil shining a laser at the whaler. This is a tactic being used at JFK to landing pilots and has been declared, at least by the US, as abetting a terrorist attack.
I'm not a betting man, nor a lawyer, so I'll wait in anticipation on the legalities of this strategy. But, IMO, it should not be difficult to argue the Japanese helmsman was blinded.
Given there is a picture of it as you say, the argument will certainly proceed along those lines, whether or not it was true we will never know.
The recent Soccer match between Kuwait and Australia was marred by the very same thing, fans shining a laser into the faces of the Aussie players.
Some people in Australia have also been prosecuted, I believe, for doing the same thing to Airline Pilots in NSW, FN idiots!
I can't think of the name of the Captain of the Sea Shepherd, but I believe I read somewhere he was thrown out of Greenpeace for being too radical.
Japan kills about 1200 whales a year in Antarctica under what it says is a scientific programme allowed by the International Whaling Commission despite a broader moratorium on killing the mammals.
It's conservation work.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4106688.stm
Not.
you absolutly right.... omdafyd "Japan kills about 1200 whales a year in Antarctica under what it says is a scientific programme allowed by the International Whaling Commission despite a broader moratorium on killing the mammals".
They must build a farm of whales for scientific they self..
I can't think of the name of the Captain of the Sea Shepherd, but I believe I read somewhere he was thrown out of Greenpeace for being too radical.
Om...His name is Paul Watson...he is a Canadian.. and he was thrown out of Greenpeace and the Sierra Club for his violent attitude.
You can find all his activities, including his criminal background, on Wikipedia.
Enlightening Davita...
Taken from Wikipedia, on Paul Watson.
'Media relations
In Earthforce! An Earth Warrior’s Guide to Strategy, Watson also expresses disdain for truthfulness in the pursuit of environmental protection goals:
The nature of the mass media today is such that the truth is irrelevant. What is true and what is right to the general public is what is defined as true and right by the mass media. Ronald Reagan understood that the facts are not relevant. The media reported what he said as fact. Follow-up investigation was “old news.” A headline comment on Monday’s newspaper far outweighs the revelation of inaccuracy revealed in a small box inside the paper on Tuesday or Wednesday.[/URL]
Watson was explicit on this score: “If you do not know an answer, a fact, or a statistic, then simply follow the example of an American President and do as Ronald Reagan did—make it up on the spot and deliver the information confidently and without hesitation.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Watson#cite_note-25"] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Watson#cite_note-24)' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Watson#cite_note-26) In a subsequent book, Ocean Warrior, Watson reiterated this view, saying: “Survival in a media culture meant developing the skills to understand and manipulate media to achieve strategic objectives'
I can't think of the name of the Captain of the Sea Shepherd, but I believe I read somewhere he was thrown out of Greenpeace for being too radical.
His name is Paul Watson and he is a bit of a dick-head - don't get me wrong I'm on their side and the Whales. :-)
omdafyd;54287]Enlightening Davita...
Taken from Wikipedia, on Paul Watson.
'Media relations
In Earthforce! An Earth Warrior’s Guide to Strategy, Watson also expresses disdain for truthfulness in the pursuit of environmental protection goals:
The nature of the mass media today is such that the truth is irrelevant. What is true and what is right to the general public is what is defined as true and right by the mass media. Ronald Reagan understood that the facts are not relevant. The media reported what he said as fact. Follow-up investigation was “old news.” A headline comment on Monday’s newspaper far outweighs the revelation of inaccuracy revealed in a small box inside the paper on Tuesday or Wednesday.
Watson was explicit on this score: “If you do not know an answer, a fact, or a statistic, then simply follow the example of an American President and do as Ronald Reagan did—make it up on the spot and deliver the information confidently and without hesitation.' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Watson#cite_note-26) In a subsequent book, Ocean Warrior, Watson reiterated this view, saying: “Survival in a media culture meant developing the skills to understand and manipulate media to achieve strategic objectives'[/QUOTE]
I don't understand your point OM?
Are you attempting to enlighten me with your new-found knowledge to which I directed you....or....
increasing our mutual understanding! :playball:
If the latter, may I also direct you to another great Canadian that I have read and would prefer to be inspired by other than Mr. Watson.
He is Marshall McLuhan.
He wrote more about the effects of the media on the message than Mr. Watson's huge ego could comprehend. Given that Marshall McLuhan died in 1980 when Watson was about 30 leads me to think that perhaps Watson studied McLuhan and plagiarized.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message
Either way the ugly boat sank and all the fuel...supposed to be bio-diesel ...was removed before sinking according to; Mr. Watson...I presume! :rip:
I can't increase your understanding of the guy Davita because as you say, you directed me to the site and already know about his background, I'm simply posting his views on manipulating the media for general consumption.
waarmstrong
08-01-10, 19:15
This could turn into a really nasty (and entertaining) production -- the arrogant pirate versus the whaling vanguard of an arrogant culture. In this little war, as an American, its good to be on the sidelines for a change. (Although I guess our well healed celebrity class is bank-rolling the pirate.)
I'm simply posting his views on manipulating the media for general consumption.
Then OM, we are in complete agreement...that is his purpose!
I have left naivety behind....that is why I posed the question, in a previous post, on insurance payout.
It is not beyond belief that this could have been provocatively intended. Your enlightened observation proves that is in his capacity of rational thought.
The boat could have been insured for more than its value...who knows...provocation ensued and the provocateurs got sunk.
The Sea Shepherd crew, from the mother ship (Bob Barker) tried desperately to remove the fuel for environmental reasons and then complained that others involved did not respond to safety at sea.
All the while, Watson was chasing another whaler in his boat 'Steve Irwin'.
And still..... Ady Gil sank.
Massive media attention and money back.
Not a bad deal for Mr. Watson and his crew.
The risk to reward ratio I would not entertain but heck, much like suicide bombers. IMO.
Follow the money....David
This could turn into a really nasty (and entertaining) production -- the arrogant pirate versus the whaling vanguard of an arrogant culture. In this little war, as an American, its good to be on the sidelines for a change. (Although I guess our well healed celebrity class is bank-rolling the pirate.)
Waarm...you were writing at the same time as I.
Could not agree more with your observation...but not only for US celebrities.
Many others are also involved.
Such it is when lawyers and accountants advise well-healed people on how to maximize exposure to their ego and minimize the cost back to the taxpayer.
btw Paul watson's office is in fFiday Harbor, WA....hardly on the sidelines, I suggest.
also btw I cannot read what I write without increasing the font size and yet, when it appears on the foru,m the font increases, please do not think I am yelling.
this is the result when i don't increase the font.
Waarm...you were writing at the same time as I.
Could not agree more with your observation...but not only for US celebrities.
Many others are also involved.
Such it is when lawyers and accountants advise well-healed people on how to maximize exposure to their ego and minimize the cost back to the taxpayer.
btw Paul watson's office is in fFiday Harbor, WA....hardly on the sidelines, I suggest.
also btw I cannot read what I write without increasing the font size and yet, when it appears on the foru,m the font increases, please do not think I am yelling.
this is the result when i don't increase the font.
Well Dave, don't say anything bad about the whales, if things keeping going as they are now with that Toyota they may be your only form of transport.
Lasers by the Sea Shepherd, Sonic Booms by the Japanese...
Here is another report in today's Melbourne Age.
Whale war whips up a perfect storm
ANDREW DARBY
'Can whaling be stopped?
Donald Rothwell, Professor of International Law at ANU, looks at Australia's options for tackling Japan's whaling.
THE battle began with a tourist's tip-off. Passengers were dining on the five-star cruise ship Orion last Tuesday when the captain announced the liner was about to sail beside some whales, and the nearby Japanese whaling fleet, north-east of Commonwealth Bay in Antarctica. Food was abandoned in favour of weatherproof clothing and a rush to the deck. Under the tourists' watchful gaze, the whales swam by unharmed and the fleet slowly moved away. Someone on board Orion contacted the anti-whaling group, Sea Shepherd.
Until then, the US-based group had had few breaks this whaling season. Despite the fact that Sea Shepherd's leader Paul Watson had pulled together an $8 million anti-whaling campaign, the Japanese had turned the tables.
Watson's protest ship, the Steve Irwin, had been trailed by the whalers' security ship, Shonan Maru No. 2, ever since it left Australian waters in early December, its location having been pinpointed by a Japanese spy flight out of Albany. Watson could get nowhere near the fleet while the Shonan was around.
The Japanese ship also seemed very willing to take the fight to the Steve Irwin. When Watson sent up a helicopter, the Shonan's crew focused a sonic blast that rocked Sea Shepherd pilot Chris Aultman. No sooner was he back on the Steve Irwin's deck than the Shonan began firing its water cannon, and the activists rushed to pull a retractable steel hanger over the fragile helicopter to prevent it being trashed.
Eventually the Steve Irwin shook the Japanese pursuit and returned to Hobart, evading more spy flights out of Tasmania on New Year's Day.
Further south, Sea Shepherd had two other hopes. One was the Ady Gil, a 16-tonne carbon fibre and Kevlar ''Bat Boat'' with a top speed of 50 knots that could run rings around any Japanese whaling vessel. The second was the 1200-tonne Bob Barker, an ex-Norwegian ice-breaker donated by Barker, the 86-year-old former US host of The Price Is Right.
The Bob Barker was meant to be the surprise ace to close the game for Sea Shepherd this season. It would out-muscle all the ships in the Japanese fleet except the factory ship Nisshin Maru. But though they were close, neither the Ady Gil nor the Bob Barker had found the fleet. Then came the tourist's tip-off.
Early Wednesday the whalers began to run north-east under Ady Gil's harassment. Its crew used a projectile launcher to blow capsules of foul-smelling butyric acid at the whaling ships. They also pointed lasers at Shonan's crew. More threatening was the use by Ady Gil's crew of fouling ropes in a failed attempt to entangle the propellers of the Japanese ships.
After about 12 hours, the Ady Gil withdrew from the battle. It was idling in the water when, from a distance of about 75 metres, the Shonan Maru No. 2 powered up. The next few seconds' activity thrust the long-simmering conflict over Japanese Antarctic whaling onto the world stage. Inquiries will hear Australian, New Zealand and Japanese official versions of what happened, but some events are clear.
Shonan Maru No. 2 turned at speed into a collision course with the Ady Gil, a vessel obviously no match for the 712-tonne Japanese ship. Seconds later, as Shonan loomed above, the Ady Gil edged forward, perhaps worsening the crash. About three metres of bow on the Ady Gil exploded under impact, and its six-man crew tumbled across its deck.
Sea Shepherd's hardline tactics have led to trouble in the Antarctic before. In 2007, two activists were forced to huddle in a dinghy with a cracked hull for eight hours after it hit the whale factory ship Nisshin Maru. The following year another two were held for several days on a Japanese chaser ship they boarded.
There have been other collisions between the Steve Irwin and Japanese ships. In early 2009, the Steve Irwin locked its bow onto the deck of the whale chaser Yushin Maru No. 2, causing both to tilt alarmingly.
The whalers also have been willing to out-muscle protesters. Greenpeace's Arctic Sunrise was hit bow-on by a fast-turning Nisshin Maru in 2006.
But this week's collision was an escalation into a sea battle that put lives at stake. So what should Australia do?
For more than two years any potential action by the Federal Government has been muzzled by its decision to seek a diplomatic deal with Japan to end Antarctic whaling. Japan's 22-year-old ''scientific'' whaling program has been called a sham by Australia, but it remains the loophole in International Whaling Commission rules that lets Tokyo send a fleet south.
It is also the bulwark that Japan regards as vital to prevent any further restrictions on what it regards as its right to take food from the seas. With the International Whaling Commission deadlocked, ongoing secret peace talks between an inner group of 12 IWC nations, including Australia, are seen by the Rudd Government and the Coalition as the best hope of a solution. ''We continue to forcefully put our position to the Japanese Government,'' Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard said this week.
But these talks were dealt a severe blow last month when the new Japanese Foreign Minister, Katsuya Okada, said: ''We do not think that there is a need for a policy review [on whaling] at this point of time.''
Following the attack on the Ady Gil, a participant in these talks, Brazil's Jose Truda Palazzo, said: ''With its actions, Japan is making a mockery of the negotiation process of the IWC."
But the Rudd Government remains bound to the overall diplomatic process, at least until the next IWC meeting in June. Environment Minister Peter Garrett has given this date as the deadline for ''substantial progress towards a commitment [by] Japan to completely cease the taking of whales in the Southern Ocean in the name of science''.
But the Coalition's environment spokesman Greg Hunt argues that the action on the water this summer threatens to outpace Australia's capacity to fulfil other obligations.
''It's important that [the Government] end the paralysis, stand up for Australian waters and show the world what is occurring whilst also acting as a buffer to calm things down,'' he says. Commonwealth Bay is the sentimental heart of Australian Antarctica, the home of the historic Mawson's Huts. But Gillard's advice was that the Ady Gil collision occurred north of the bay, just outside an exclusive economic zone declared off the Australian Antarctic Territory, but inside Australia's search and rescue zone. It's a zone in which Australia often employs expensive defence assets to rescue distressed solo racing sailors.
Nevertheless, the Government is refusing to repeat the 2008 Oceanic Viking voyage, which gathered evidence of Japanese whaling as well as acting as an intermediary in retrieving the two Sea Shepherd activists from the Japanese ship they boarded.
ANU international law professor Don Rothwell believes the presence of an official Australian ship would have a cooling effect, but Gillard says the last voyage by Australian Customs vessel Ocean Viking made no difference to the whaling and may even have emboldened protests.
''What will make a difference is people exercising calm judgments,'' she says. ''This matter will not be resolved through violence at sea. It will ultimately be resolved through diplomacy or through the [international] courts.''
As the Ady Gil's hull finally disappeared under the waves yesterday, Sea Shepherd turned its attention back to the whalers. The Steve Irwin, free of a tailing vessel, was out hunting the Nisshin Maru, which used the distraction afforded by the collision to escape.
"We are up against the might of one of the most powerful governments in the world and they will justify and defend any violent actions by the Japanese whaling fleet," says Paul Watson.
Japan's Institute of Cetacean Research, for its part, says Sea Shepherd's ''actions are nothing but felonious behaviour''.
Andrew Darby is Hobart correspondent.'
Sea Shepherd has grown so fast. Few years back when I lived in Southern California, one of my best friend is a good friend of Paul Watson and Sea Shepherd's crews and I got invited (by association of course) to their fund raising party and art auction and heard the passionate speeches about saving the whales. Since I could not afford any of the art pieces to help raise money for them, I ended up buying one t-shirt. I don't know if there's really a point to my story, maybe just a silly trivia, but I can't help to think that my $20 USD t-shirt might help fund the purchase of Ady Gil - umm maybe just the little plastic button cap of Ady Gil.
'Boat sank in Australian zone: protesters
ANDREW DARBY, HOBART
January 10, 2010
Melbourne Age
ANTI-whaling group Sea Shepherd believes the Rudd Government is trying to evade Australia's maritime responsibilities following the sinking of its ship Ady Gil.
As the group sought to mount a legal campaign against Japanese whalers, Sea Shepherd leader Paul Watson said yesterday the Government was falsely claiming the collision that led to the sinking happened outside Australia's jurisdiction. The site of the sinking inside the Australian 200 nautical mile Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) has been cited by academics as a key reason for Australia to send a ship south to monitor the conflict.
But Environment Minister Peter Garrett said the activists' high-speed trimaran was not in Australia's EEZ off Antarctica when the collision happened.
Asked on Friday whether Australia had a special responsibility to act because the collision happened in its waters, Mr Garrett replied: ''Well, this boat wasn't sunk in Australian waters.''
This followed a statement by Acting Prime Minister Julia Gillard, who said: ''Preliminary advice is that the collision took place within Australia's search and rescue zone, but just beyond Australia's Economic Zone, although this still has to be confirmed''.
But Captain Watson disputed this, telling The Sunday Age yesterday: ''In fact it took place 50 miles inside the EEZ, at the position of 64 degrees, 3 minutes south and 143 degrees, 6 minutes east.
''It appears that Australia is trying to weasel out of the jurisdiction for the incident by claiming it took place outside the Australian Antarctic Territorial Zone.''
A spokesman for Mr Garrett said it would be up to official investigations to determine the exact position where the collision happened. Ms Gillard has asked the Australian Maritime Safety Authority to investigate the collision.
Captain Watson said he was asking the New Zealand Government to issue an arrest warrant for the crew of the Shonan Maru No. 2, the ship that collided with the NZ-registered Ady Gil.
''I believe that if we had rammed a Japanese vessel and it sank, that NZ or Australia would be sending a ship down here to arrest us,'' he said.
Sea Shepherd has also begun legal action in Dutch courts against Japan, claiming acts of violence by the whalers constitute piracy. Lawyer Liesbeth Zegveld alleges Ady Gil crewman Laurens de Groot, is a Dutch national.
''This was close to murder. It was such an extreme act that if no one takes action now, we may have an even more serious incident in future,'' Ms Zegveld said.
The whaling fleet and its pursuers are believed to be heading west off the coast of the Australian Antarctic Territory. The Shonan was trailing Sea Shepherd's vessel Bob Barker, while Captain Watson's Steve Irwin was trying to track down the factory ship Nisshin Maru.
The Australian Customs and Fisheries Patrol vessel Oceanic Viking is to be sent south from Fremantle on a ''routine patrol''.
Japan's Institute of Cetacean Research claims the Shonan recovered ''lethal force'' arrows from the water near the sinking hulk of the Ady Gil, which also spread an oily substance on the sea.
Captain Watson said 400 litres of fuel was taken from the Ady Gil before it began to sink under tow, and he denied that arrows had been held on board.
''I suppose the only reason for this is that guns don't float and (the whalers' spokesman, Glenn Inwood) needed a 'smoking gun' but had to settle for a 'floating' arrow.''
Back from the dead
10-01-10, 20:22
In my opinion we need to get rid of all these whales and the trouble will stop instantly........... can't anyone else see that ?
Much like ALL these supposed "Endangered Species" ... they are all me me me ....... get rid or them and there's more stuff to go around for species that are NOT attention freaks..... never hear anyone trying to "Save the Halibut" do you ?
Quote..... Captain Watson said 400 litres of fuel was taken from the Ady Gil before it began to sink under tow, and he denied that arrows had been held on board.
That's odd because, on another report I read, Mr Watson said the Ady Gil had stopped and was not under way because "It was running out of fuel" and the whaler clearly attacked the Ady Gil, as it was stopped.
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