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As a country with its cultural diversities, Indonesia is also rich of unique and beautiful traditional merchandises. As a responsible tourist, you should be careful and pay attention on the souvenirs before buying them. Otherwise, the commodities may contain protected or endangered animal parts. The curios containing animal parts can be found in art shops, antique shops, shopping centers, and street vendors. Thanks!
http://www.profauna.org/content/en/be_aware/beware_before_buying.html
once would have been enough, thanks.
You're rite. I wish to delete the other one, as i think this forum might be more appropriate...
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You're rite. I wish to delete the other one, as i think this forum might be more appropriate...
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Done for you...:)
I have just found out from my staff that the big lizard (300mm long) living in my roof space is worth 8,000,000 per 500g of body weight. Skin is made into shoes and meat eaten for health.
No wonder the place is devoid of wild life when the staff wages are only 1,500,000 a month.
Until a system allows for wild life to be bought and released for the sums of money people get now it will be a struggle to preserve them and stop the trade that sees them butchered
I have just found out from my staff that the big lizard (300mm long) living in my roof space is worth 8,000,000 per 500g of body weight. Skin is made into shoes and meat eaten for health.
No wonder the place is devoid of wild life when the staff wages are only 1,500,000 a month.
Until a system allows for wild life to be bought and released for the sums of money people get now it will be a struggle to preserve them and stop the trade that sees them butchered
You are right. Those animals are such a valuable expensive things that can be traded. Yet we all realize that it brings their extinction and definitely cruel. Extinction of 1 species somehow will affect the ecosystem, affect the species eaten by him, affect the species eat him, and of course affect the nature who lost his function in the wild. Just a matter of time it all will affect human, or it has?!
And talking 'bout money, hey.. how do you know that? :lol: Just sharing, I left my previous job with double wage than what i have now. If someday I have to leave my job now, trust me, it won't be about the money... :third:
Maybe because there isn't anything to be butchered anymore...
Done for you...:)
Thanks!:bounce:
I have just found out from my staff that the big lizard (300mm long) living in my roof space is worth 8,000,000 per 500g of body weight. Skin is made into shoes and meat eaten for health.
Something not quite right here.
If your "big lizard" is a monitor lizard (biawak), which IS traded for both leather and obat meat, then 300mm is neither big nor long.
If your lizard is a tokei (tokei) then 300mm IS big and tokeis ARE traded for obat meat, but are a little too small for leather ie couldn't get even one shoe out of a tokei.
What else could your lizard be?
BTW, enquiring minds (and our orang kampung) would be interested to know where you get 16jt/kg for monitors. We've got lots (ie they're endemic, not endangered), many over 2 meters long/big.
Hi Gratila, I must confess to being guided by my staff on the matter of lizards. They are wanting to get into the roof space to capture what ever is up there. I have not sighted the animal myself.
I have just found out from my staff that the big lizard (300mm long) living in my roof space is worth 8,000,000 per 500g of body weight. Skin is made into shoes and meat eaten for health.
No wonder the place is devoid of wild life when the staff wages are only 1,500,000 a month.
Until a system allows for wild life to be bought and released for the sums of money people get now it will be a struggle to preserve them and stop the trade that sees them butchered
How could a big lizard live in your roof space? Are you living in a desa or something?
My Aussie expat neighbour swears blind that the biawak in his roof is over 2m; the orang kampung he sends up (chasing the reward he's promised them to get it out) confirm same. I haven't seen it myself, but the racket I've heard it make couldn't come from anything smaller.
We also have lrg/med/sml biawaks living in our underground aquaculture pond drainage pipes, with one I've personally seen being over 2m.
BTW, anyone considering getting friendly with a biawak, think twice. Their bite, their second line of defense, is something to beware of. We've lost two dogs to biawak bites; these were not immediately fatal, but refused to heal however we treated them. Biawaks' first line of defense is their tail, though; a swish from which could leave a nasty whorl, if not worse.
BTW, anyone considering getting friendly with a biawak, think twice. Their bite, their second line of defense, is something to beware of. We've lost two dogs to biawak bites; these were not immediately fatal, but refused to heal however we treated them. Biawaks' first line of defense is their tail, though; a swish from which could leave a nasty whorl, if not worse.
Excellent advice Gratilla, most Monitor lizards etc carry around 40 different poisonous bacteria in their saliva. The Komodo dragon is a good example, you effectively get the equivalent to MRS in one bite, it is quite prepared to wait a few days whilst you die in agony before eating you.
All reptiles should be handled and treat with care, even the Terrapin a common pet is loaded with salmonella bacteria.
My Aussie expat neighbour swears blind that the biawak in his roof is over 2m; the orang kampung he sends up (chasing the reward he's promised them to get it out) confirm same. I haven't seen it myself, but the racket I've heard it make couldn't come from anything smaller.
We also have lrg/med/sml biawaks living in our underground aquaculture pond drainage pipes, with one I've personally seen being over 2m.
BTW, anyone considering getting friendly with a biawak, think twice. Their bite, their second line of defense, is something to beware of. We've lost two dogs to biawak bites; these were not immediately fatal, but refused to heal however we treated them. Biawaks' first line of defense is their tail, though; a swish from which could leave a nasty whorl, if not worse.
Hi Gratilla. I see your location is kinda familiar with biawak. I don't know for sure whether they like to attack or not, but yep, you are rite. They will defense if they feel disturbed. Any animal will do. Just to remind you something you might already know, make sure there is no media for the biawak to reach your house: branches of tree or anything. But to get them away from your pond drainage pipes... any ideas, forum?
I have heard a story like this, let me share to you all.
Human often find animals are bullies that sneak in their house, destroy their field, or attack their livestock. Until we realize that actually they are the first inhabitant of the place we live in. I mean, before we build our houses there, the animals already exist and live there. So from the animal's point of view, the house, the field, and the livestock are prepared by human for them. They can't think, but all they know is there is food, there is prey for them! Well of course, for we human, they are pest. And i agree that when animals become pest, they should be controlled.
So what solution given? I asked the man told me the story above. His philosophy is that everything are created in a perfect dose, though it slightly has become an unbalanced ecosystem we must say, just like the Global Warming believers say. So he thinks that the animals (read pest) should take their portion only, and we should like 'give back' from what we take from nature, so he suggested to make a special place or part of human's field to be eaten by the animals. Just like 'no tiger will come down the hill if they still could find prey in their home/forest'.
I dont know if it can work in the biawak case...
Hi Gratilla. I see your location is kinda familiar with biawak. I don't know for sure whether they like to attack or not, but yep, you are rite. They will defense if they feel disturbed. Any animal will do. Just to remind you something you might already know, make sure there is no media for the biawak to reach your house: branches of tree or anything. But to get them away from your pond drainage pipes... any ideas, forum?
I have heard a story like this, let me share to you all.
Human often find animals are bullies that sneak in their house, destroy their field, or attack their livestock. Until we realize that actually they are the first inhabitant of the place we live in. I mean, before we build our houses there, the animals already exist and live there. So from the animal's point of view, the house, the field, and the livestock are prepared by human for them. They can't think, but all they know is there is food, there is prey for them! Well of course, for we human, they are pest. And i agree that when animals become pest, they should be controlled.
So what solution given? I asked the man told me the story above. His philosophy is that everything are created in a perfect dose, though it slightly has become an unbalanced ecosystem we must say, just like the Global Warming believers say. So he thinks that the animals (read pest) should take their portion only, and we should like 'give back' from what we take from nature, so he suggested to make a special place or part of human's field to be eaten by the animals. Just like 'no tiger will come down the hill if they still could find prey in their home/forest'.
I dont know if it can work in the biawak case...
yup, I agree.
cull the human population, let the animals take back their land.
1) Biawaks are quite shy and will run (quite fast) in the opposite direction when approached by a human. (Or mebbe just me.)
2) Our biawaks (generally) leave us/our animals alone and we do likewise with them.
3) Some time back a couple of lads (from the ikan asin opposite) were leaving large baited hooks on our land for the biawaks; this was without so much as a bye-your-leave from myself or my wife. After telling them to FO and take their dangerous hooks with them (we have children and dogs on our land) I introduced them to my Aussie neighbour who offered them a job trying to get the noisy biawak out of his roof/ceiling gap. They didn't succeed though; the biawak is still there.
4) Except for the Komodo Dragon plus one other which are CITES appendix 1 (ie hands off), all lizards are CITES appendix 2 (ie may occasionally be exploited under license). A couple of years ago another neighbour (a local Haj) went to the trouble of getting the izin to try out a biawak leather business. This was unsuccessful (inadequate QC). However, if anyone is interested in setting up say a work creation program (crazyhorse, are you listening), the necessary paperwork and some experience are already in place.
4) Except for the Komodo Dragon plus one other which are CITES appendix 1 (ie hands off), all lizards are CITES appendix 2 (ie may occasionally be exploited under license). A couple of years ago another neighbour (a local Haj) went to the trouble of getting the izin to try out a biawak leather business. This was unsuccessful (inadequate QC). However, if anyone is interested in setting up say a work creation program (crazyhorse, are you listening), the necessary paperwork and some experience are already in place.
Yeah, it does happen almost anywhere in Indonesia. Not only about wildlife cases but also anything. What ProFauna can do is to encourage (sometimes, pressure) the authorities (with the help of media publication) to enforce the wildlife law.
The good news, the East Java Police Department (http://www.profauna.org/content/en/news/2009/wildlife_law_enforcement_in_east_java.html) has been hand-in-hand with us to enforce the wildlife law in the province.
Whatever reasons they become cooperative lately, we take positive advantages of it, that it brings deterrent effect to the traders and poachers.
From our record, (at least!) traders don't display the protected wildlife in the market.
Yeah, it does happen almost anywhere in Indonesia. Not only about wildlife cases but also anything. What ProFauna can do is to encourage (sometimes, pressure) the authorities (with the help of media publication) to enforce the wildlife law.
The good news, the East Java Police Department (http://www.profauna.org/content/en/news/2009/wildlife_law_enforcement_in_east_java.html) has been hand-in-hand with us to enforce the wildlife law in the province.
Whatever reasons they become cooperative lately, we take positive advantages of it, that it brings deterrent effect to the traders and poachers.
From our record, (at least!) traders don't display the protected wildlife in the market.
This doesn't make sense. It looks more like a response to my msg on the General Advice Board, ie
Tell me about it. Unfortunately, too many so-called conservation organisations spend altogether too much time, effort and especially (other peoples') money on admin and building their managers' cosy little fiefdoms and careers than they do on what they advertise as their raison d'etre. Two TLAs (ie Three-Letter Achronyms) spring immediately to mind. I hope ProFauna does better.
OK, report this. About 7 or 8 years ago I first became aware of Turtle Beach on the south coast of Sukabumi from turtle egg vendors in Ujung Genteng (a few km south of the turtles) and on the Pelabuhanratu fish market. Eggs are no longer being openly sold, after all it IS illegal, however I do hear allegations that they now enter the underground Chinese medicine distribution system (for those "enquiring minds" on the forum, turtle eggs are reputed to encourage "woodies").
Turtle Beach was/is "managed" by a public/private camat/lura/PT operation that supposedly looks after turtle interests. However, if you are lucky you will see maybe (sic) one clutch of about 70/80 hatchlings where there should be many 100s/1000s more!!! I did approach the lura/camat many years ago with an offer to take over proper management of the beach/compound at no charge to the community. The reaction appeared to be one of "don't rock the cosy boat"!!!
I believe that a responsible organization could manage this site at zero net cost and maybe even make a modest surplus.
Any constructive comment(s)?
4) Except for the Komodo Dragon plus one other which are CITES appendix 1 (ie hands off), all lizards are CITES appendix 2 (ie may occasionally be exploited under license). A couple of years ago another neighbour (a local Haj) went to the trouble of getting the izin to try out a biawak leather business. This was unsuccessful (inadequate QC). However, if anyone is interested in setting up say a work creation program (crazyhorse, are you listening), the necessary paperwork and some experience are already in place.
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Yes, as we all know, the authority is in government.
Smoke the bugger out is the easiest way to get rid of one from in your house. Metal grating or a thick wire mesh such as chicken wire for the pipe to keep them out also you can put a long spike in the pipe so it won't decide to go in there.
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