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I just finished watching a very moving documentary on organ Transplantation called Kidney on Ice, apart from the immorality and inhumanity of illegal human trafficking, of the individual suffering of those people concerned, what I am unable to understand fully is the appalling low rates of donation around the World...
In Europe the average rate of donation is about 16 donations per MILLION people with Spain having the highest rate of 34 per MILLION as they have an assumed consent programme.
What is absolutely astounding to me are these very low figures, even at 34 donations per MILLION people, I cannot understand the reluctance of people to donate their body organs after death.
So I'm interested to ask you people, why wouldn't you offer life to another, when yours ceases to be...
Addit: I personally am registered as a potential organ donator in the Victorian/Australian donation programme.
I did register in France long time ago and made it clear to my wife that I was willing to give any part of my body after my death if something happen to me (no plan yet tho').
However I have no clue if it can be done in Manado and if not, if I can make it to France quickly enough to take what is still worth...:whistle:
My partner is aghast that those are my wishes, just as she is horrified that I wish to be cremated when I kick the bucket...
Good to know there is at least one other here who is a Organ donator, but I'm seriously interested in the views of those who wouldn't do it and the reasons why not...
Atlantis, if you check with the Authorities responsible in France I'm not sure but hopefully there may be a way that they would transport any usable organs back there.
I doubt that there is a viable industry here, tho' I'm sure Singapore would have one, actually I do know of an Expat who did have an Organ Transplant in Singapore.
My partner is aghast that those are my wishes, just as she is horrified that I wish to be cremated when I kick the bucket...
Huh? Do they know each other?
The first time I said to my lovely wife "no mass, a dissection and a cremation" she almost fainted. It took me two or three time to realise that I was serious about the three points.
I just finished watching a very moving documentary on organ Transplantation called Kidney on Ice, apart from the immorality and inhumanity of illegal human trafficking, of the individual suffering of those people concerned, what I am unable to understand fully is the appalling low rates of donation around the World...
In Europe the average rate of donation is about 16 donations per MILLION people with Spain having the highest rate of 34 per MILLION as they have an assumed consent programme.
What is absolutely astounding to me are these very low figures, even at 34 donations per MILLION people, I cannot understand the reluctance of people to donate their body organs after death.
So I'm interested to ask you people, why wouldn't you offer life to another, when yours ceases to be...
Addit: I personally am registered as a potential organ donator in the Victorian/Australian donation programme.
Please validate your numbers.
Sounds like bullshit.
16 donations per million what?
if i remember well, when i filled in the forms to apply for my uk driving licence there was a donor box to fill in and tick (which i did). can find my licence at the moment, so cant check, but theoretically there should be a little heart or a sign that im willing to be a donor. i could imagine a large percentage has ticked that box...
Please validate your numbers.
Sounds like bullshit.
16 donations per million what?
Another one of your milisecond assessments cirebloke?
How about, providing your opinion on the point instead of flaming...I would be interested to know your thoughts on the matter, especially if it was yourself or a family member that required some Medical Intervention.
16 Organ Donations per one Million people...obvious wasn't it!
Statistics can be verified in the Wikpedia external links...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_donation
http://www.danishdoc.dk/kidney_uk.php
http://www.journeyman.tv/59093/documentaries/kidneys-on-ice.html
The big problem with organ donation is possibly being pronounced dead when you are not.
I am not speaking for the EU the USA or Aus on this matter but would you seriously donate your organs in countries that already sell them from people still alive and healthy, for a profit?
I think it is misleading to suggest the small number of donations is due to a small number of willing donors. For a donor organ to be transplanted requires a lot of conditions to be met all at the same time. The organ needs to pass rigorous checks and tests before it can be used - the donor must be fit and healthy, and there must be no circumstances surrounding the death or medical treatment received that might have put lots of stress on the organ. Tissue and blood type must match a potential recipient and the recipient must be operable immediately with all the logistics in place to get the donor organ to the recipient in time. Last, and by no means least, there must be some form of assurance that funds to pay for the operation are available.
all quality links there.....
but to suggest an answer to your question, religion plays a big part in it.
Catholics, up until very recently were forbidden to 'desicrate the body after death'
I beleive Muslims still are.
Many Protestants are.
etc...
I think it is misleading to suggest the small number of donations is due to a small number of willing donors. For a donor organ to be transplanted requires a lot of conditions to be met all at the same time. The organ needs to pass rigorous checks and tests before it can be used - the donor must be fit and healthy, and there must be no circumstances surrounding the death or medical treatment received that might have put lots of stress on the organ. Tissue and blood type must match a potential recipient and the recipient must be operable immediately with all the logistics in place to get the donor organ to the recipient in time. Last, and by no means least, there must be some form of assurance that funds to pay for the operation are available.
No I do not believe it is misleading at all!
If it were true that there were enough donors, why then does a thriving black market exist.
The Medical points you make are obviously true, but irrelevant to the thrust of the Documentary and researched accounts, that out each million people, very few numbers are actually willing to be donors...
12 actual donors for every million people in the UK speaks for itself.
As for costs, Spain has proven, according to their Minister of Health I think it was, that the treatment costs for each person requiring ongoing Dialysis in the case of kidney failure, is double that of a transplant. Hence Spain claims to have doubled it's resources available for it's transplant programme by dramatically reducing the ongoing costs associated with ongoing Medical care for chronic illness..
I have ticked all the boxes in Aus except my eyes, doubt it would make any diffence if I kick the bucket here....is there any tax advantage....:bounce:
all quality links there.....
but to suggest an answer to your question, religion plays a big part in it.
Catholics, up until very recently were forbidden to 'desicrate the body after death'
I beleive Muslims still are.
Many Protestants are.
etc...
Of course Religion would have to play some part in it, but I'm still left wonderring why many individuals find the idea taboo...many Catholics are forbidden to use contraception too, but that small detail doesn't stop them...
One interesting story was of a Spanish {probably Catholic} family who lost a son, they decided to allow his organs to be harvested saving the lives of others. Some years later their second son was on the point of dying through Liver failure and just in time was saved by a transplant, as the father said, if I hadn't had allowed my first son's organs to be used for transplantation, how would I have felt when my second son needed a transplant to save his life...
waarmstrong
03-11-09, 16:13
My organs are probably like the mystery substance in the recycled plastic cottage cheese container at the back of the frig -- should have been thrown out long ago.
drahman2in1
03-11-09, 21:12
Of course Religion would have to play some part in it, but I'm still left wonderring why many individuals find the idea taboo...many Catholics are forbidden to use contraception too, but that small detail doesn't stop them...
my beloved uncle (who had passed away) 7years ago got eye donations in jakarta from a foreigner...we were looking for eyes with same color but then we got from the eye hospital but its from a foreigner who donated his eyes...and it really helped him to do his activities until he passed away...im thinking of donating my eyes if i die...but i tell you the truth, i still dont know what to choose...
my beloved uncle (who had passed away) 7years ago got eye donations in jakarta from a foreigner...we were looking for eyes with same color but then we got from the eye hospital but its from a foreigner who donated his eyes...and it really helped him to do his activities until he passed away...im thinking of donating my eyes if i die...but i tell you the truth, i still dont know what to choose...
Right or left eye. Doesn't matter.
I agree with you Omdafyd . I keep a card from "Reader's Digest" which states "The Bearer of This Card is a Tissue/Organ Donor" . I think the governments are also to blame as they don't make the necessary efforts .
The Medical points you make are obviously true, but irrelevant to the thrust of the Documentary and researched accounts, that out each million people, very few numbers are actually willing to be donors...
12 actual donors for every million people in the UK speaks for itself.
There are 60 million people in the UK.
Are you suggesting that only 720 of them are "willing donors"?
Or do you mean that from the 60 million, and in one year, 720 died and a transplant was subsequently attempted using their organ(s)?
Your posts are indeed misleading.
BTW, I always carried a donor card in the UK.
Another one of your milisecond assessments cirebloke?
How about, providing your opinion on the point instead of flaming...I would be interested to know your thoughts on the matter, especially if it was yourself or a family member that required some Medical Intervention.
16 Organ Donations per one Million people...obvious wasn't it!
No, it was not and it still is not.
I think you should stop watching "moving" TV shows.
I think it is misleading to suggest the small number of donations is due to a small number of willing donors. For a donor organ to be transplanted requires a lot of conditions to be met all at the same time. The organ needs to pass rigorous checks and tests before it can be used - the donor must be fit and healthy, and there must be no circumstances surrounding the death or medical treatment received that might have put lots of stress on the organ. Tissue and blood type must match a potential recipient and the recipient must be operable immediately with all the logistics in place to get the donor organ to the recipient in time. Last, and by no means least, there must be some form of assurance that funds to pay for the operation are available.
Good post.
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