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fear-God n gentle hearted is required.. are u?? :)
fear-God n gentle hearted is required.. are u?? :)
The god-fearing type may be hard to come by nowadays in the westerner breed.
Tho' if you are open to nikah siri you may have an opening in JaTeng... I know a nice bloke who was considering adding a few wives.:whistle:
Hombre de Maiz
25-08-09, 20:55
Where do you stand on the issue of khalwat?
You should quote the OP, Hombre... For a second I thought you were addressing me:scared:
Hombre de Maiz
25-08-09, 21:11
I think it'll be easier to find a wife-fearing Westerner than a god-fearing one...
fear-God n gentle hearted is required.. are u?? :)
I don't know about the 'fear God' thing
but gentle hearted, if the person you date is not a westerner, will you not look for it?
West, East ?
I do not see any borders...The only borders that I see are those that I see on the map
and the ones made by politicians..
West, East ?
I do not see any borders...The only borders that I see are those that I see on the map
and the ones made by politicians..
A nice thought but not always true. There are divides in various attitudes as well. Sometimes better, sometimes not.
Abigail is looking for a kind hearted westerner. Lots of them about but she may have more of a problem with the god fearing requirement.
To get an idea of the man, see if he opens the door for you on the first date.
A gentleman always will and continues to do so after marriage.
It was my parents golden wedding (50th) last Saturday. My father stills does so. Now maybe that's crap but I was brought up to be chivalrous and it sticks.
Even at my worst behaviour as a drunken, leather clad, bonking biker, I remained gallant and courteous. I was the poshest hooligan for miles.
A nice thought but not always true. There are divides in various attitudes as well. Sometimes better, sometimes not.
Abigail is looking for a kind hearted westerner. Lots of them about but she may have more of a problem with the god fearing requirement.
To get an idea of the man, see if he opens the door for you on the first date.
A gentleman always will and continues to do so after marriage.Well it looks that You think that I lost the beat, in this thread. All what is in Your quote comes with the territory.
Once You start something all kinds of things must be considered by both parties, the longer it goes, the more one has to open his mind to all scenarios.
Word dating means something right ? (unless one is looking for a thrill/flirt, then You better start batmobilling asap) So one must make choices.
I can be anything you want for the first date....
I can be anything you want for the first date....I bet that You can
Can I ask you for a date, KW? :p
of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
oh it's almost too easy..... :p
Well it looks that You think that I lost the beat, in this thread. All what is in Your quote comes with the territory.
Once You start something all kinds of things must be considered by both parties, the longer it goes, the more one has to open his mind to all scenarios.
Word dating means something right ? (unless one is looking for a thrill/flirt, then You better start batmobilling asap) So one must make choices.
I got the idea the OP was looking for a serious relationship with a westerner.
I still hold doors open for my wife.
I can be anything you want for the first date....
OK. Pop on a Batman suit with no arse and I'll see you next week ducky. :bounce:
oh it's almost too easy..... :p
I'm also easy. :)
I'm also easy. :)
oh I know that already, Fred :)
Fred do You know what ¨batmobilling¨ means ?
Because I think that You missed my beat here.. babe.
Fred do You know what ¨batmobilling¨ means ?
Because I think that You missed my beat here.. babe.
Both google and I share the same total ignorance on the subject but KW did say he would be anything on the first date. :)
Both google and I share the same total ignorance on the subject but KW did say he would be anything on the first date. :)KW is the king so he is allowed to be anything on his first date.
But I was dead serious about the date that leads to serious relationship. Not just playing head games. so if we consider the true intention of the man towards a women on that first, second or a third date.
She might have clue or feel if he is capable to comprehend the culture and/or religion factors that are important to continue the relationship/dating thing.
If not, she has a chance to batmobille before is too late and say goodbye.
Definition of ¨batmobilling¨ wich a jargon but also a figure of speech that one has the chance to escape the relationship before is too late.
This is the real original definition version:
¨Putting up an emotional shield just as a relationship enters that intimate, vulnerable stage. Refers to the retractable armor covering the Batmobile¨
KW is the king so he is allowed to be anything on his first date.
But I was dead serious about the date that leads to serious relationship. Not just playing head games. so if we consider the true intention of the man towards a women on that first, second or a third date.
She might have clue or feel if he is capable to comprehend the culture and/or religion factors that are important to continue the relationship/dating thing.
If not, she has a chance to batmobille before is too late and say goodbye.
Definition of ¨batmobilling¨ wich a jargon but also a figure of speech that one has the chance to escape the relationship before is too late.
This is the real original definition version:
¨Putting up an emotional shield just as a relationship enters that intimate, vulnerable stage. Refers to the retractable armor covering the Batmobile¨
I had no idea about that the film had had an impact on language. It's not like it's star trek you know. :)
I have had a few serious relationshits and some shit relationships as well but most were just bonks. That was one advantage of being a biker, nothing serious is expected of you.
I had no idea about that the film had had an impact on language. It's not like it's star trek you know.
I have had a few serious relationshits and some shit relationships as well but most were just bonks. That was one advantage of being a biker, nothing serious is expected of you.Well now You know...it is a Wall Street yuppies lingo.
Fred You and I are very far apart about the dating thing.
I am beyond the point of flirting or playing head games to try to impress one another.
Plus I do not drink for 20 years already so I am out of the bar hangout scene.
If I go to the Bar is only to see The Bundesliga or Premiere liege, and I drink milk or orange juice without the driver and the screwing thing.
Banzai Fred:rain:
I take that as you are not easy, hades? :p
I take that as you are not easy, hades? :pmy heart, my love, my feelings, my body and my soul must be earned.
On the other hand I have to earn the very same things from other side.
It is a two way street.
But not by playing games.
Nice conversation will do on the first date, in the zoo or in the park on the bench,
then afterwords just go with the flow and see what happens.
Well now You know...it is a Wall Street yuppies lingo.
Fred You and I are very far apart about the dating thing.
I am beyond the point of flirting or playing head games to try to impress one another.
Plus I do not drink for 20 years already so I am out of the bar hangout scene.
If I go to the Bar is only to see The Bundesliga or Premiere liege, and I drink milk or orange juice without the driver and the screwing thing.
Banzai Fred:rain:
I stopped drinking as well. It was for about 10 years as I was driving every day but started again towards the end of a really bad relationship with an old girlfriend I lovingly call 'the bitch'.
<self deleted filthy stuff>
I stopped all of that (Deleted stuff above) after I met my wife so I'm a good boy now.
Odd as it seems. I feel I'm all the better for not doing that any more. Besides, I'm 47 now so I would probably have died of a heart attack anyway.
I'm also away from the bars. Not that there are many here anyway but I'm not bothered. I may be going to KL at the end of next month but I won't bother with so much as a coke in a bar. I will probably arrange to meet a lass I know over there but she is just a friend and we have never touched each other in a naughty way.
I feel better for it and I know it's a better way to live.
So I'll have to refuse all the PM offers I get for casual sex from the ladies on the forum. Sorry girls. I know you all wanted the chance to experience me but I must refuse. :bounce:
PS - To the bloke who wanted me. Sorry I'm not that way but I will keep your name secret. Not that I can speak French anyway.
OK. Pop on a Batman suit with no arse and I'll see you next week ducky. :bounce:
erm,
I think you're male.
I aint doing nuffink for you!
If not, she has a chance to batmobille before is too late and say goodbye.
Definition of ¨batmobilling¨ wich a jargon but also a figure of speech that one has the chance to escape the relationship before is too late.
Guys quite often may wish to do the same....
without the driver and the screwing thing.
damn, where's the fun in that?
innit that the whole point of going to a bar?
Just check it my profile...if you get chemistry...so Why not we make date.
Cherrs
I can be anything you want for the first date....
erm,
I think you're male.
I aint doing nuffink for you!
You did say "anything you want". :bounce:
You did say "anything you want". :bounce:
in reply to the females on this thread!!!!!
I am thinking hard of what to request
in reply to the females on this thread!!!!!
I can't help it if you don't make yourself clear. I was getting all exited a the thought of you in that arseless batman suit. :bounce:
I am thinking hard of what to request
I can't help it if you don't make yourself clear. I was getting all exited a the thought of you in that arseless batman suit. :bounce:
well, there's an idea!
The god-fearing type may be hard to come by nowadays in the westerner breed.
Tho' if you are open to nikah siri you may have an opening in JaTeng... I know a nice bloke who was considering adding a few wives.:whistle:
sorry, im christian and off course im not open to nikah siri...
well, there's an idea!
Why do I got the impression that you are more than willing to do the batman thing :p
sorry, im christian and off course im not open to nikah siri...
You could always convert to give me a chance. :bounce:
Why do I got the impression that you are more than willing to do the batman thing :p
Maybe I'm with two chances yet. :bounce:
I don't know about the 'fear God' thing
but gentle hearted, if the person you date is not a westerner, will you not look for it?
fear God means have a religous life.. have personal relationship with God in prayers, reading bible, attend church, etc. i love westerners profile so i prefer to date a western man. it would be better if he stays in indo.
[QUOTE=fred uk;38232]You could always convert to give me a chance. :bounce:
what things that im sure to give u a chance??
Hombre de Maiz
29-08-09, 21:27
You´ll have to excuse some expats here, Abigail, who think that Indonesia is nothing more than a homogenous Javanese kampung writ-large. Some, you see, are under the impression that Indonesia is a "Moslem" country, and that a Muslim man telling a Christian woman that she should convert so that she´ll become an illigitimate second, third or fourth wife is amusing and inoffensive.
You´ll have to excuse some expats here, Abigail, who think that Indonesia is nothing more than a homogenous Javanese kampung writ-large. Some, you see, are under the impression that Indonesia is a "Moslem" country.
About 86% Muslim discounting bule semi converts. :)
Guys quite often may wish to do the same....Do not wish, just do it.
At Least for the sake of not hurting the womens in general.
It is an art to know when to put the foot on the brake pedal.
When You know when, then one can say that he/she is mature.
damn, where's the fun in that?
innit that the whole point of going to a bar?First of all it is taken out of the context.
There is no fun. It never meant to be fun.
Also it was not meant to be funny.
Dating should be fun for both parties. But advices or opinions on the matter should not.
I do not hang around in personal threads. I answered only because it was serious question brought up in the opening post.
So I have tried to stay on the subject and be serious about.
But now You opened the door.
I am thinking hard of what to requestGet in touch with me. I will give You few pointers.
Especially how to see the warning signs if the guy is for real or another phony player.
Free Consultations.
To abigail:
I sincerely hope you will find the right guy. In 9 years here I have met only one guy who matches your description: He is westerner, have a religious life - catholic -and a personal relationship with God in prayer, attends church every sunday at least, reads the Bible, stays in Indonesia a couple of decennies and even became WNI... His name is Pastor John.
Why do I got the impression that you are more than willing to do the batman thing :p
erm, cos I would!
Maybe I'm with two chances yet. :bounce:
yup.
Buckleys, and none!
annebandung
01-09-09, 01:43
fear-God n gentle hearted is required.. are u?? :)
:), if i may have an opinion, it's normal for everyone to expect a perfect match and apply some criteria for their future husband or wife, lol...it's also not a sin to search for an online date or 'biro jodoh' my aunt met her husband from match.com and they live happily until now, with two cute sons... of course it's not always work well, depends on many factors, me myself always dreaming for a guy who has a Channing Tatum's face with Collin Farrel's hair and body, robinhood's heart and as religious as Aa Gym, but since i realized that it's so hard to find, i started to learn not to always push my ideal on anything, so i let go some of those criteria and keep the most important and principal for me :) good luck and don't give up, ms. abigail, :hug:trust me you will find your Mr.Right, as right as your preferences, marriage is about forever, don't pick random guys for any reason
erm, cos I would!
yup.
Buckleys, and none!
iron man for the first date, KW :D
shall we set the date?
iron man for the first date, KW :D
shall we set the date?
okiely dokiely,
hows about today?
okiely dokiely,
hows about today?
will you pick me up with Stark's helicopter? :D
Danny Dangler
02-09-09, 18:40
There is nothing to fear, if, like me you don't believe in God.
why would anybody FEAR GOD? :):) fear is not a healthy relationship with anybody. I fear 'copet' and 'maling' not God :):) religious is not merely a routine doing rules and obligated by it. on top of these... what's religion had to do about finding soulmate anyway? hi...hi
Ms ANNE BANDUNG, in my humble opinion NOTHING IS FOREVER not even our life (jiwa/nyawa) marriage is no different. Love may be forever but love doesn't have to be bond as marriage. Marriage is COMMITMENT between two people it can't b e forever since you will never have control on one another....
annebandung
16-09-09, 03:34
Ms ANNE BANDUNG, in my humble opinion NOTHING IS FOREVER not even our life (jiwa/nyawa) marriage is no different. Love may be forever but love doesn't have to be bond as marriage. Marriage is COMMITMENT between two people it can't b e forever since you will never have control on one another....
:) of course there would be nothing last forever, though im not really sure about what the meaning of "FOREVER" for everyone is, i consider "forever" as the times that we lived before we finally die and got buried, and YES, i want my marriage someday to be lasts FOREVER, and i will do my own efforts to reach that goal, YES, everyone has a right to define what is the meaning of marriage according their opinion, and there's nothing wrong to have a different opinion and point of view towards that thing :), as long as we don't push our personal thought to the others to make them think like our own way...
why would anybody FEAR GOD? :):) fear is not a healthy relationship with anybody. I fear 'copet' and 'maling' not God :) religious is not merely a routine doing rules and obligated by it. on top of these... what's religion had to do about finding soulmate anyway? hi...hi
you love your parents but at the same time you fear their wrath when you royally mess up. Every one has a fear even those who are considered fearless. :playball:
why would anybody FEAR GOD? :):) fear is not a healthy relationship with anybody. I fear 'copet' and 'maling' not God :):) religious is not merely a routine doing rules and obligated by it. on top of these... what's religion had to do about finding soulmate anyway? hi...hi
fear God is not the same as fear 'copet' or 'maling'.. fear God also is not merely doing rituals but it's what u really feel from ur heart that u don't want to rise God's wrath because u love Him and u do all He wants because u don't want to hurt Him. This really has connection with finding soulmate since anyone who has this kind of heart he will try his best not to hurt his spouse and be faithful until the end of time.
Hombre de Maiz
19-09-09, 09:03
I'll play along for a bit. You really think that you can "hurt" God, the supreme creator of everything. You think He gives a damn whether you are naughty or nice. Just who exactly do you think you are to think that he is paying attention to you?
I'll play along for a bit. You really think that you can "hurt" God, the supreme creator of everything. You think He gives a damn whether you are naughty or nice. Just who exactly do you think you are to think that he is paying attention to you?
just read the Bible then u'll find the answer.. He considers me as the apple of His eyes. i've been through miracles in my life that i can't say that He's not paying attention to me. even more than attention, He's saved my soul..
That humour just brightened up my bleak afternoon
waarmstrong
19-09-09, 16:44
I'm glad I'm not sitting next to you, Tim; its beginning to thunder and lightening.
Hombre de Maiz
20-09-09, 07:31
I don´t know if you´ve heard, but it´s now pretty much an open secret that the Bible, the New Testament, was altered and sanitized to make it coincide with the prophecies of the Old Testament. There is reason to think also that Jesus never claimed to be divine, and that he was nothing more than human, like all the prophets who preceeded him and like you and me. In the words (and music) of Jethro Tull´s Hymn 43 in their masterpiece Aqualung:
If Jesus saves -- well, He'd better save Himself
from the gory glory seekers who use His name in death.
Oh Jesus save me!"
Jethro Tull´s Aqualung: http://www.amazon.com/Aqualung-Jethro-Tull/dp/B00000GAIW
Fantastic theme, terrific smart, richly textured classic Rock & Roll
waarmstrong
20-09-09, 19:34
So, Hombre, are you siding with the Jews on the divinity of Jesus question? I would prefer the jocular version, rather than the dry, academic answer to this one.
If Jesus saves -- well, He'd better use HSBC, the world's local bank.
Fixed for him. :bounce:
Hombre de Maiz
21-09-09, 10:58
I am on the side of those who assert i) we cannot know whether divine beings exist or existed, ii.) that the probability of their existence is rather remote, iii.) that their existence would raise a new set of questions, and iv.) that if they do exist they likely have bigger fish to fry than to pay us petty, pathetic humans any mind. I gave you Jethro Tull earlier. Wasn´t that jocular enough?
fear-God n gentle hearted is required.. are u?? :)
I am on the side of those who assert i) we cannot know whether divine beings exist or existed, ii.) that the probability of their existence is rather remote, iii.) that their existence would raise a new set of questions, and iv.) that if they do exist they likely have bigger fish to fry than to pay us petty, pathetic humans any mind. I gave you Jethro Tull earlier. Wasn´t that jocular enough?
That's your chances of a shag well out of the window then. :bounce:
Hombre de Maiz
22-09-09, 11:31
Yes, quite sad. The stress is on belief, fear and ritual, rather than on behaviour and actions. The tail wagging the dog.
If only you had not been kufir, you could have avoided having to wag your own tail. :bounce:
This thread has gone wild. What happened to the woman wanting a date with a westerner? Perhaps all this nonsence can be settled by the woman who started this thread if she can answer what priority she puts of the qualities she seeks. What is the priority of the following attributes and which are not important?
- Faith (god fearing)
- Foreign citizen (thus an easy exit from Indonesia)
- Money (since foreigners are typically richer then local workers)
Hombre de Maiz
23-09-09, 16:19
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g230/devildoc25/You-Are-Faith_Disturbing.jpg
Yes, quite sad. The stress is on belief, fear and ritual, rather than on behaviour and actions. The tail wagging the dog.
i think ur belief and action are going together and correlated one another. everyone will know what u believe by ur action. they both are similarly important.
This thread has gone wild. What happened to the woman wanting a date with a westerner? Perhaps all this nonsence can be settled by the woman who started this thread if she can answer what priority she puts of the qualities she seeks. What is the priority of the following attributes and which are not important?
- Faith (god fearing)
- Foreign citizen (thus an easy exit from Indonesia)
- Money (since foreigners are typically richer then local workers)
i notice it could raise a conflict when we discuss about faith since it's a very sensitive issue so i suggest not to continue talking about it if the discussion gets to offend one party. all believers realize that they wouldn't have faith if God doesn't grant it to them and i thank God that He did it in me.
off course, im looking a foreigner since i like westerners' profile. but as for me, money is not as important as his behaviour because some expats in indo don't have good attitude although they live in indo in prosperity and i won't consider dating such man. uupss sorry... as a woman i have a right to select to whom i want date, right?!!
I'm very happy that nothing "granted me faith" thats for sure.
Thankyou evolution!
Hombre de Maiz
23-09-09, 23:04
I don´t think anyone is offended by the discussion, Abigail. What you sense, rather, is a few people´s astonishment at your naivete and the emphasis that you place on things such as fear and faith which do not necessarily a good spouse or ethical human being make.
I don´t think anyone is offended by the discussion, Abigail. What you sense, rather, is a few people´s astonishment at your naivete and the emphasis that you place on things such as fear and faith which do not necessarily a good spouse or ethical human being make.
Faith does not guarantee a good soul as the lack of it does not preclude the possibility of that person being good but it makes a difference to the OP and that should be respected.
The lady has faith and is looking for a partner who is similarly enlightened.
I'm often told that westerners are considered better husbands by local lasses. I'm told we are more prone to showing love and appreciation for our wives than local blokes.
I recall one day, a friend was visiting and I wanted to give him some especially nice home made crackers the people next door produce. I asked my wife if she could pop over and buy a couple of bags. This took the form of a request and, of course, I used 'please' and 'thank you' as well as addressing her as 'sayang'.
When she popped out my mate was astonished. He just had no idea that's the way I talk to her. He explained local blokes just don't have that attitude to their wives. Perhaps that has more value to a lady than a bag of cash. (Except for prostitutes of course. :bounce:)
Faith does not guarantee a good soul as the lack of it does not preclude the possibility of that person being good but it makes a difference to the OP and that should be respected.
The lady has faith and is looking for a partner who is similarly enlightened.
I'm often told that westerners are considered better husbands by local lasses. I'm told we are more prone to showing love and appreciation for our wives than local blokes.
I recall one day, a friend was visiting and I wanted to give him some especially nice home made crackers the people next door produce. I asked my wife if she could pop over and buy a couple of bags. This took the form of a request and, of course, I used 'please' and 'thank you' as well as addressing her as 'sayang'.
When she popped out my mate was astonished. He just had no idea that's the way I talk to her. He explained local blokes just don't have that attitude to their wives. Perhaps that has more value to a lady than a bag of cash. (Except for prostitutes of course. :bounce:)
nice n sweet
i go with u.
Rushing Doll
24-09-09, 16:11
"i notice it could raise a conflict when we discuss about faith since it's a very sensitive issue so i suggest not to continue talking about it if the discussion gets to offend one party. all believers realize that they wouldn't have faith if God doesn't grant it to them and i thank God that He did it in me"
Thats what the forum is about "discussion" of sometimes contraversial issues - its how we learn about our fellow homo sapiens and their views. Its healthy and good and interesting!!!
Keep talking you all.
nice n sweet
i go with u.
Sadly I'm married and have no plans for another wife.
I love the one I have far too much to do that. :)
Rushing Doll
24-09-09, 20:05
Sadly I'm married and have no plans for another wife.
I love the one I have far too much to do that. :)
Last time I read you were looking for new recruits - will u make up your mind for Petes sake.:happy:
waarmstrong
24-09-09, 20:15
Perhaps that [respect] has more value to a lady than a bag of cash. (Except for prostitutes of course.)
In keeping with Rushing Doll's admonishment to speak up, I'm going to put in a kind word for ladies of the evening. Having sex for money is just a job, albeit a thankless, dangerous job, but just a job. We all do something for money, for survival. It does not define the worker as undeserving of respect when she goes home after work to her loved ones.
Rushing Doll
24-09-09, 20:33
In keeping with Rushing Doll's admonishment to speak up, I'm going to put in a kind word for ladies of the evening. Having sex for money is just a job, albeit a thankless, dangerous job, but just a job. We all do something for money, for survival. It does not define the worker as undeserving of respect when she goes home after work to her loved ones.
Nor does it mean we should overlook the pedallers who keep the bicycle wheels turning........... should we respect them?
The oldest profession in the world.
Off thread! Admonishment:happy: - had to look it up, thank you Warm (thats what I call you) a new word to add to my dictionary.
In keeping with Rushing Doll's admonishment to speak up, I'm going to put in a kind word for ladies of the evening. Having sex for money is just a job, albeit a thankless, dangerous job, but just a job. We all do something for money, for survival. It does not define the worker as undeserving of respect when she goes home after work to her loved ones.
I suppose it's all down to why they do it.
I know a lass back in the UK who does it for fun and sees the cash as a bonus. Not my cup of tea but it's up to her. She's from Hull. Enough said. :whistle:
I have met some that do it because there is little choice. Again, not my idea of work but I can see it.
Some, I understand, do it to feed drug habits. Rough life.
Some are forced by other people. There was a big one in Sheffield (http://traffickingproject.blogspot.com/2008/02/human-trafficking-center-in-sheffield.html)(and other cities), UK a while ago with pimps using trafficked Thai lasses as pros. Rape by any other name.
Rushing Doll
24-09-09, 20:56
What about the customers Fred? Demand creates a supply - no?
What do you think the percentage of male prostitutes is to the percentage of female prostitutes? The answer might say a lot?
You would not open a sweetie shop if no one ate sweets would you?
I don't like it either as it breeds a plethora of nasty evil activities which involves children, drugs, disease, violence and other tragedies. They say 1 in 3 married men visit so where does that leave the wives? I am asking all these questions out loud as I don't have the answers and look forward to hearing optional answers from the forum.
What about the customers Fred? Demand creates a supply - no?
What do you think the percentage of male prostitutes is to the percentage of female prostitutes? The answer might say a lot?
You would not open a sweetie shop if no one ate sweets would you?
I don't like it either as it breeds a plethora of nasty evil activities which involves children, drugs, disease, violence and other tragedies. They say 1 in 3 married men visit so where does that leave the wives? I am asking all these questions out loud as I don't have the answers and look forward to hearing optional answers from the forum.
Of course it's supply and demand.
In my opinion, blokes who use pros are daft. Dodgy at best and death at worst. it's also a bit sad of them. I don't think I could get 'excited' in bed with one. Just seems like a serious turn off. I had a lot of friends in London's chinatown and, sometimes, used to walk through Soho. I was invited into many a 'peep show' and brothel by ladies who I could not have fancied if I was pissed out of my mind and had not had a roll for 10 years.
The use of kids as forced sex slaves is past comment save dick, blade, rusty, off and chop.
Married blokes that use these services need about the same.
Hi love, I;m home. By the way I caught AIDS from a tart I shagged last year and you and out new born are also going to die of it.
Rushing Doll
24-09-09, 21:43
Of course it's supply and demand.
In my opinion, blokes who use pros are daft. Dodgy at best and death at worst. it's also a bit sad of them. I don't think I could get 'excited' in bed with one. Just seems like a serious turn off. I had a lot of friends in London's chinatown and, sometimes, used to walk through Soho. I was invited into many a 'peep show' and brothel by ladies who I could not have fancied if I was pissed out of my mind and had not had a roll for 10 years.
The use of kids as forced sex slaves is past comment save dick, blade, rusty, off and chop.
Married blokes that use these services need about the same.
Hi love, I;m home. By the way I caught AIDS from a tart I shagged last year and you and out new born are also going to die of it.
Your comments are noted. I just wanted to pick up on one thing and please anyone correct me if u feel the need. Your post suggests the 'gurrls" are not fanciable because of the nature of their profession. Its a documented fact that men are drawn initially to a woman by astetics firstly - human nature. I have seen some gorgeous women in the "windows" of Amsterdam and I believe Russian women are renouned for beauty............whatever the circumstances can you say that you refute astetics when they are in your face and your warty member still behaves?
waarmstrong
24-09-09, 21:46
I don't like it either as it breeds a plethora of nasty evil activities which involves children, drugs, disease, violence and other tragedies.
I don't thing that having sex for money is inherently evil. Its our attitudes that make it so and define the behavior as illicit. If the moral hypocrisy were stripped away, and it were legal and regulated, perhaps the assumed associations with child molestation, drug abuse, transmission of disease and violent crime could be eliminated or minimized.
Your comments are noted. I just wanted to pick up on one thing and please anyone correct me if u feel the need. Your post suggests the 'gurrls" are not fanciable because of the nature of their profession. Its a documented fact that men are drawn initially to a woman by astetics firstly - human nature. I have seen some gorgeous women in the "windows" of Amsterdam and I believe Russian women are renouned for beauty............whatever the circumstances can you say that you refute astetics when they are in your face and your warty member still behaves?
I have seen some pros in Asia that were seriously good looking. The Thai ones in the extreme but I felt no urge to go for them at all.
The London ones were just shagged out old tarts. Filthy and disgusting would be a kind way to describe them.
The very sight of that lot was enough for my bumpy burung to shrink to the size of a peanut but not so hard.
It is true that men are generally interested in good looking lasses but sometimes other factors are considered by the bird before it decides if it wants to nest. Mine never gets out of control of it's chances of going green and falling off are too great.
Your post suggests the 'gurrls" are not fanciable because of the nature of their profession.
gurrls/gurlls/gurrllls are all good girls.
I thank you not to prostitute my "art". :lol::lol::lol:
Rushing Doll
24-09-09, 22:29
I don't thing that having sex for money is inherently evil. Its our attitudes that make it so and define the behavior as illicit. If the moral hypocrisy were stripped away, and it were legal and regulated, perhaps the assumed associations with child molestation, drug abuse, transmission of disease and violent crime could be eliminated or minimized.
I never implied that having sex for money was inherently evil. I mean what is a marriage? many married people stay in relationships for money reasons whether sex is involved or not so its a form of prostitution I suppose. Thats all I have to say just now. :)
waarmstrong
24-09-09, 22:42
Sorry RD. My comment was not intended to cast dispersion in your direction. I just used your words as a jumping off point for my own view.
Rushing Doll
24-09-09, 23:41
Sorry RD. My comment was not intended to cast dispersion in your direction. I just used your words as a jumping off point for my own view.
that will cost you 500 pounds......baby.x
Ya "oldest profession" for a reason. There is that demand and there is the supply so whats at issue? For that reason to say guys who utilize pros are daft is daft. To each is own. If your balls are somewhat smaller than the average male human there isn't much you can do about it. You're probably borderline gay. If that isn't the case and you can't get it up for a beautiful woman pro or not, seeking a shrink instead of airing your problems in this forum is most in order. Go back to the UK. I don't think there is anyone in Indonesia who has the credentials to solve your problems. Kill two birds with one stone. Try to become sane and rid one less twat here in Indonesia.
Ya "oldest profession" for a reason. There is that demand and there is the supply so whats at issue? For that reason to say guys who utilize pros are daft is daft. To each is own. If your balls are somewhat smaller than the average male human there isn't much you can do about it. You're probably borderline gay. If that isn't the case and you can't get it up for a beautiful woman pro or not, seeking a shrink instead of airing your problems in this forum is most in order. Go back to the UK. I don't think there is anyone in Indonesia who has the credentials to solve your problems. Kill two birds with one stone. Try to become sane and rid one less twat here in Indonesia.
Of course even the clapped out, crusty, drug addicted and ugliest old pros tell some customers to sod off. They also have standards. :)
If we eliminate the dives where Fred "meets" his hookers as being extremes, how would we classify the following:
1) You (a male) approach a woman in Aphrodites and ask her to join you for a drink.
2a) A rather delectable female approaches you (a male) in Burgundy and asks you to join her for a drink.
2b) A rather delectable female approaches you (a male) in Burgundy and asks you to buy her a drink.
3) You (a male) approach a woman in the library, chat her up and invite her out for dinner.
4) You (a female) approach a guy in Pondok Indah Mall, chat him up and invite him out for dinner.
5) Make up your own pickup scenario.
Homework: Fill in the rest of the stories and find a word in the dictionary that adequately describes each man and woman.
Now, where do we draw the line???
Faith does not guarantee a good soul as the lack of it does not preclude the possibility of that person being good but it makes a difference to the OP and that should be respected.
The lady has faith and is looking for a partner who is similarly enlightened.
I'm often told that westerners are considered better husbands by local lasses. I'm told we are more prone to showing love and appreciation for our wives than local blokes.
I recall one day, a friend was visiting and I wanted to give him some especially nice home made crackers the people next door produce. I asked my wife if she could pop over and buy a couple of bags. This took the form of a request and, of course, I used 'please' and 'thank you' as well as addressing her as 'sayang'.
When she popped out my mate was astonished. He just had no idea that's the way I talk to her. He explained local blokes just don't have that attitude to their wives. Perhaps that has more value to a lady than a bag of cash. (Except for prostitutes of course. :bounce:)
i like ur comment.. and i like ur attitude to ur wife
simbak_semarang
26-09-09, 07:39
i like ur comment.. and i like ur attitude to ur wife
Is that your reason why you wanna date with westener?
My bf isnt westener but he is the most romantic person i ever know (compare to the previous, and both were Indonesian also)
Or maybe because i succed melted his frozen heart for 3 years only in 3 weeks :d
I never try to make him love me.. But i just did it :)
I think if you wanna romantic person, just tell him what you want.. Speak your mind but always respect him..
G.luck for you
Is that your reason why you wanna date with westener?
My bf isnt westener but he is the most romantic person i ever know (compare to the previous, and both were Indonesian also)
Or maybe because i succed melted his frozen heart for 3 years only in 3 weeks :d
I never try to make him love me.. But i just did it :)
I think if you wanna romantic person, just tell him what you want.. Speak your mind but always respect him..
G.luck for you
All the Asian ladies I've been 'friends' with assure me that westerners also have a larger thingy and are better lovers. Of course, for some, I'm the only westerner they have ever met in a biblical sense and I'm a little wider in the trousers that most with abilities that most acrobats would envy. :whistle:
simbak_semarang
26-09-09, 15:42
All the Asian ladies I've been 'friends' with assure me that westerners also have a larger thingy and are better lovers. Of course, for some, I'm the only westerner they have ever met in a biblical sense and I'm a little wider in the trousers that most with abilities that most acrobats would envy. :whistle:
Nah.. I dont have those experience :p
Maybe i just too innocent.. No comment for that...
Is that your reason why you wanna date with westener?
My bf isnt westener but he is the most romantic person i ever know (compare to the previous, and both were Indonesian also)
Or maybe because i succed melted his frozen heart for 3 years only in 3 weeks :d
I never try to make him love me.. But i just did it :)
I think if you wanna romantic person, just tell him what you want.. Speak your mind but always respect him..
G.luck for you
yeah maybe tht's one of the reasons why i like westerners. many of them know how to treat woman in gentle manner that is hard enough to be found in locals. but it's the condition when i get a good one.
some are bad even worse than locals, they only think about sex and don't want to have a commitment in their relationship. they also tend to be atheist that they don't need God and act as if they are their own god. it finally could create selfish in their mind and have no humility and grateful in their heart.
Hombre de Maiz
27-09-09, 21:54
And then people have the temerity to question and wonder why I am not religious!
All the Asian ladies I've been 'friends' with assure me that westerners also have a larger thingy and are better lovers. Of course, for some, I'm the only westerner they have ever met in a biblical sense and I'm a little wider in the trousers that most with abilities that most acrobats would envy. :whistle:
But my wife thinks you're a twat.
And then people have the temerity to question and wonder why I am not religious!
Would you say you fit in nicely with the Secular Humanists?
For all the girls out there that are in searching of the 'perfect one'....
Rules of the thumb : a FOX is a FOX - a JERK is a JERK......Doesn't matter where their origins, they come in with all different colors - white,black,yellow,green,purple...:whistle:
What's make it matter is what perfect for you - not others:)
Happy hunting.
Very true Indomom.:thumb:
Hombre de Maiz
28-09-09, 13:27
I´d say that using one´s brain and reason is a far cry from conceiving oneself as a god or from incurring in pride. To suggest otherwise is ignorant and/or smugly perverse.
simbak_semarang
29-09-09, 07:19
yeah maybe tht's one of the reasons why i like westerners. many of them know how to treat woman in gentle manner that is hard enough to be found in locals. but it's the condition when i get a good one.
some are bad even worse than locals, they only think about sex and don't want to have a commitment in their relationship. they also tend to be atheist that they don't need God and act as if they are their own god. it finally could create selfish in their mind and have no humility and grateful in their heart.
Abigail, it isnt fair if you think that Westerners always think about sex.
Mostly peoples think about sex, local, westerners including you (dont deny it) at least once. Sex is one of human basic need, like food, health and shelter.
About commitment, it depend with maturity level.. no matter local or westeners. I remember the reason why i broke up with my previous bf because he hasnt ready yet to commit, and he was an Indonesian rather to be player.
Atheism, it isnt fair to judge peoples based on what their belief, and being atheist doesnt make peoples selfish or have no humility, have you ever heard aboud humanism movement?
An many of them are atheist?
im not atheist, my relationship with my God is very personal.
just try to see from the other prespective without judging
drahman2in1
29-09-09, 16:21
Dear Abigail,
with all respect,
this is a berrry interesting topic..:)
I agreed with what Indomom said...dont see someone from the skin color...
We couldnt order our skin colors before we were born ... right?
I'd rather to see this case by case and i try to be careful in expressing my opinion about private or sensitive matter like this...
Some Indonesian friends of mine are very nice, also my friends who are not from Indonesia...just like 2sides of coin, you must take your partner in life as one whole package.. thats why we try to complete each other...
my prayer for Abigail...
simbak_semarang
29-09-09, 19:35
Dear Abigail,
with all respect,
this is a berrry interesting topic..:)
I agreed with what Indomom said...dont see someone from the skin color...
We couldnt order our skin colors before we were born ... right?
I'd rather to see this case by case and i try to be careful in expressing my opinion about private or sensitive matter like this...
Some Indonesian friends of mine are very nice, also my friends who are not from Indonesia...just like 2sides of coin, you must take your partner in life as one whole package.. thats why we try to complete each other...
my prayer for Abigail...
Totally agree........ :)
some are bad even worse than locals, they only think about sex and don't want to have a commitment in their relationship. they also tend to be atheist that they don't need God and act as if they are their own god. it finally could create selfish in their mind and have no humility and grateful in their heart.
Yeah, how dare they!
For shame.....
........................ keep :blabla:
stt_cibubur
04-10-09, 20:11
In my opinion, westerner guys will only commit into serious relationship AKA married if they have great sex life, great relations, good income and it'll take time ( 1-3 years)..thats what the different with asian. Many indo ladies too rushing to get married due to the " age, parent reason, status".
:typing:
So, ladies..even thou you found the perfect guy, it doesn't mean he is perfect for you...take it slowly. Sex for men is like daily meal..LOL.. Correct me if I am wrong guys...( for women is like "once in a while")... LMAO
:lol:
In my opinion, westerner guys will only commit into serious relationship AKA married if they have great sex life, great relations, good income and it'll take time ( 1-3 years)..thats what the different with asian. Many indo ladies too rushing to get married due to the " age, parent reason, status".
:typing:
So, ladies..even thou you found the perfect guy, it doesn't mean he is perfect for you...take it slowly. Sex for men is like daily meal..LOL.. Correct me if I am wrong guys...( for women is like "once in a while")... LMAO
:lol:
For the more shallow amongst us blokes, we need our ladies to be good cooks and good f.............. . :bounce:
If she has a good income, that's a bonus. :whistle:
I have also known many a lady that liked cooking (should I have spelled hat with another 'c' instead of one of the 'o's?) even more often than me.
waarmstrong
05-10-09, 01:13
For the more shallow amongst us blokes, we need our ladies to be good cooks and good f.............. .
Women as tools, cannot get much shallower than that, Fred. A hold over from your biker days?
Women as tools, cannot get much shallower than that, Fred. A hold over from your biker days?
Yes.
It may have been good fun at the time but I used to see lasses as super delux willy warmers with a 'feeding me' function.
Of course, as time passes and a man becomes wiser, I now realise they are handy for changing shitty nappies as well. :evil:
waarmstrong
05-10-09, 10:09
Same attitude, different task.
Same attitude, different task.
I was going to suggest it's also a dirtier task but you have no idea of my base sexual requirements. :bounce:
stt_cibubur
05-10-09, 20:48
I thougt woman is the balls and man is the prick in the middle...LOL ..
We are the meat and you are the veg !! :bounce:
actually i like fun relationship,
But i dont want think too far about married
Better i start to think,what the positive things for me have a relationship with this man?
what i feel after he comes to my life?
Are he really good for me?
just take it easy and fun...dont think too heavy about relationship...
Get in touch with me. I will give You few pointers.
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it reminds me of some sort of 'code',,, a couple years ago when i was still in college,,,
yeah maybe tht's one of the reasons why i like westerners. many of them know how to treat woman in gentle manner that is hard enough to be found in locals. but it's the condition when i get a good one.
some are bad even worse than locals, they only think about sex and don't want to have a commitment in their relationship. they also tend to be atheist that they don't need God and act as if they are their own god. it finally could create selfish in their mind and have no humility and grateful in their heart.
IMHO, u're looking for westerner not because of their romantic attitude, but merely because of their appearence, right?
Some Western men, when they live in Indonesia, they are handsome and surrounded by women and think that they are God’s gift to women.. In their countries, they are invisible.
Some Western men, when they live in Indonesia, they are handsome and surrounded by women and think that they are God’s gift to women.. In their countries, they are invisible.
Oh! Tantori...you are soooo right.
I come to Indonesia and become surrounded by beautiful women.
THEY tell me I really am handsome.
In Canada I'm an old, short, white-haired smiley guy (real teeth), that is invisible to women, as you observe.
I'm only visible to the Tax man; because I'm rich.
Do you think Indonesian women have insight, can see what the Tax man knows, and make adjustments to believe I am handsome?
David :biggrin:
drahman2in1
24-10-09, 10:08
Oh! Tantori...you are soooo right.
I come to Indonesia and become surrounded by beautiful women.
THEY tell me I really am handsome.
In Canada I'm an old, short, white-haired smiley guy (real teeth), that is invisible to women, as you observe.
I'm only visible to the Tax man; because I'm rich.
Do you think Indonesian women have insight, can see what the Tax man knows, and make adjustments to believe I am handsome?
David :biggrin:
i never think an indonesian woman having date with westerner because of the money (i dunno maybe someone does...)...
hm...people have their own perception, maybe you look like a prince to her and you fall in love to each other...( falling in love is important ...as indonesians said, when you fall in love the world is just yours, you're the owner and other people just stop by...:) )
what I see in My Man is not about his money...
i fall in love with him because he has a warm heart and i find all i need in him...
we love each other,
and we want to spend our life together...:)
not for his money...
maybe white people has lighter skin tone than indonesian ( some indonesians ) so, they look more attractive to them...
i still believe an old saying, that love is about finding "your home" (for me if i got "the click")
in someone...and it means it may cross the culture, countries border...and dont want to judge someone for her or his choice...
Thank you drahman...you have given me great confidence that I AM a handsome man....just as I suspected.
I think Canadian ladies have vision impediments!
David :lol:
drahman2in1
24-10-09, 13:34
Thank you drahman...you have given me great confidence that I AM a handsome man....just as I suspected.
I think Canadian ladies have vision impediments!
David :lol:
+1 for your wife, you're kindest one for her...
say hi to Ibu David... :)
Do you think Indonesian women have insight, can see what the Tax man knows, and make adjustments to believe I am handsome?
That was not really nice
I hope you are not referring it to all Indonesian women since you married one for years now
But let me know your wife's number, I think you need some kicks in your ass for once or more perhaps.....:phone:
Hombre de Maiz
24-10-09, 19:24
That was not really nice
.....
i would say he made a valid point.
when women flock to these otherwise so-called invisible men, does it reflect badly on the men? or rather does it reflect more poorly--and sadly--on the women?
I would say,It was wrong question by Mr Davita about Indonesian women having an insight as a Tax men.
To be honest when they flock around men like football hero, I don't really care, it's not my business, and it might happens in the club or bar anyway, they know what they are doing, women after their stupid money and guys need them for sex.
It irritates me when guys bring that case out and apply it to all Indonesian women who after western men or married them because of their money.
Every people has their own reason.
1. because they feel insecure.
2. because they are attracted to the other, Interested.
3. Mutual ism (did I pick up a right word?)
4. Frustrated.
I think can't judge other people because the have different thought. There's so many people out there we never seen, don't look not even 1% of human who live and we took a conclusion because what we saw only bad side. (I dunno how to explain, also don't wanna type too long since my English away from good :P)
Hombre de Maiz
24-10-09, 23:50
I would say,It was wrong question by Mr Davita about Indonesian women having an insight as a Tax men.
To be honest when they flock around men like football hero, I don't really care, it's not my business, and it might happens in the club or bar anyway, they know what they are doing, women after their stupid money and guys need them for sex.
It irritates me when guys bring that case out and apply it to all Indonesian women who after western men or married them because of their money.
Again, I think that Davita made a fair and valid point in order to address and explain the phenomenon that you brought up earlier. There are many factors, of course, but it is undeniable that the disparities in wealth accounts for a significant part. It´s ok, there´s no need to get offended. It happens in other circumstances, in all countries. There is nothing surprising about women going after men who are more financially successful.
Nevertheless, if you, Tantori, think Davita is off the mark, let me ask you: what do you think explains the fact that many Indonesian women are attracted to these otherwise invisible men? And while we´re at it, since you opened the door to this conversation about invisible people, let me turn the table on you: how invisible or visible would you say the average Indonesian woman with the prevaliing educational and income levels be in the West?
C'mon you guys...please stay on subject...about how extremely handsome I am....let us not be distracted by wealth. :drama:
David, the one with the killer bod.
Again, I think that Davita made a fair and valid point in order to address and explain the phenomenon that you brought up earlier. There are many factors, of course, but it is undeniable that the disparities in wealth accounts for a significant part. It´s ok, there´s no need to get offended. It happens in other circumstances, in all countries. There is nothing surprising about women going after men who are more financially successful.
I didn't make a comment about him being invisible in his country and suddenly being visible in Indonesia. What I was referring to was his question and hey..since English is not my first language, I might understood what he meant by "Indonesian women". Was he referring to "all" or "some" ?
You or Davita feel free to explain to me if you think I misunderstood it
Nevertheless, if you, Tantori, think Davita is off the mark, let me ask you: what do you think explains the fact that many Indonesian women are attracted to these otherwise invisible men?
First of all I don't think Indonesian women care if they invisible in their country.
some of them after their stupid money because they think they have the money
Some would be attracted to their physical appearance.
Some would like to have their companion, because they open minded.
Some would be genuinely interested in him the way he is.
At the end of the day it will depend on Western men how to deal with Indonesian women, since they are the center of attention in her country.
Whether taking the advantage or put off their negative thinking and respect what they are.
how invisible or visible would you say the average Indonesian woman with the prevaliing educational and income levels be in the West?
I tried to understand the question, correct me if I am wrong, was your question referring to Indonesian women who live abroad (West) ?
I believe, for some women, money is a factor but that's only some.
For others, it is the sight of something different or unusual. That can often be attractive.
I know one lass who was interested in having pale skinned babies. He opinion was that an indo baby was likely to have a better life. Maybe true.
I understand westerners have a reputation for looking after their wives better. Could well be a factor for some.
Whatever the reason(s), what is a fact is that white guys do enjoy an attractiveness they would not get in their own country so I'm not moaning. :)
Hombre de Maiz
25-10-09, 16:01
Never mind, Tantori. I was just trying to get you to think more profoundly about things. Truth be told, I actually come down on your side. Sort of.
It wasn´t long ago when I was still a single man in Jakarta. It annoyed me that for many women, far too many for my liking and far too many more than in other coutries where I have lived, skin color trumped the man, money trumped the man. I am not particularly dark skinned, though many years of tanning and living in the tropics has made me acquire a copper tan which is increasingly permanent. On many occassions my non-Northern European looks were held against me, ironically by women who were darker-skinned than I. I still remember a time when I had reached a point of dispair at not being able to find a quality Indonesian woman whom I could proudly, whom I would want to call my girlfriend.
The greater point here is that there is a common thread to my experience and your comment about the invisible men. No matter how decrepit, how uncultured, how garishly he flaunts his wealth, or how ignorant of Indonesia the man is, there is far too many of your fellow Indonesian women for whom skin color and/or $$ trumps all other considerations. This phenomenon of otherwise invisible men becoming desired playboys in Indonesia is wholly the making of Indonesian women and Indonesian mores about skin color.
Hey Hombre, would you give us a breakdown using categories of your choice and percentages, the common places you would meet these women?
Never mind, Tantori. I was just trying to get you to think more profoundly about things. Truth be told, I actually come down on your side. Sort of.
It wasn´t long ago when I was still a single man in Jakarta. It annoyed me that for many women, far too many for my liking and far too many more than in other coutries where I have lived, skin color trumped the man, money trumped the man. I am not particularly dark skinned, though many years of tanning and living in the tropics has made me acquire a copper tan which is increasingly permanent. On many occassions my non-Northern European looks were held against me, ironically by women who were darker-skinned than I. I still remember a time when I had reached a point of dispair at not being able to find a quality Indonesian woman whom I could proudly, whom I would want to call my girlfriend.
The greater point here is that there is a common thread to my experience and your comment about the invisible men. No matter how decrepit, how uncultured, how garishly he flaunts his wealth, or how ignorant of Indonesia the man is, there is far too many of your fellow Indonesian women for whom skin color and/or $$ trumps all other considerations. This phenomenon of otherwise invisible men becoming desired playboys in Indonesia is wholly the making of Indonesian women and Indonesian mores about skin color.
Curiosity....have you ever thought that you might hanged around in the wrong crowd?
When you socializing with Expat more than Indonesian, the chance to meet nice and not money oriented Indonesian women is little..
Who you met maybe they are pro and experienced with expats and some guys might end up and meet with same woman anyway. Don't blame them, it's what they do... suckling Westerners' money.
Back to my experienced five years ago, when I spent 26 years of my life in Indonesia, as far as I remember, I never had an experienced or even tried to think and looking people based on color skin or think money oriented. There was a time when slogan "cewek materialistic"/Materialistic girl/women very popular and to me it's such slap in the face when you got that name. It's like someone call you being racist.
I spent my school day in Bogor, went to college in Bandung, spent for 5 years over there, got jobs in Jakarta and spent there for 4 years, and I met, socialized with very nice and friendly Indonesian women. They are pretty, good quality body, polite and I would say their boyfriends was someone you wouldn't expected to be her boyfriend, it was like Beauty and the beast. They even had more money than their boyfriend. They didn't care as long as he has a good heart, hard work and not give up easily, and I tell you money, physical appearance and skin color was out of question.
So based on my experiences, I would like to say to all very handsome, clever, nice and rich Westerner out there, we are not all the same.:wink:
Curiosity....have you ever thought that you might hanged around in the wrong crowd?
When you socializing with Expat more than Indonesian, the chance to meet nice and not money oriented Indonesian women is little..
Who you met maybe they are pro and experienced with expats and some guys might end up and meet with same woman anyway. Don't blame them, it's what they do... suckling Westerners' money.
Back to my experienced five years ago, when I spent 26 years of my life in Indonesia, as far as I remember, I never had an experienced or even tried to think and looking people based on color skin or think money oriented. There was a time when slogan "cewek materialistic"/Materialistic girl/women very popular and to me it's such slap in the face when you got that name. It's like someone call you being racist.
I spent my school day in Bogor, went to college in Bandung, spent for 5 years over there, got jobs in Jakarta and spent there for 4 years, and I met, socialized with very nice and friendly Indonesian women. They are pretty, good quality body, polite and I would say their boyfriends was someone you wouldn't expected to be her boyfriend, it was like Beauty and the beast. They even had more money than their boyfriend. They didn't care as long as he has a good heart, hard work and not give up easily, and I tell you money, physical appearance and skin color was out of question.
So based on my experiences, I would like to say to all very handsome, clever, nice and rich Westerner out there, we are not all the same.:wink:
Why include a quote in your post and then ignore its contents?
Your last six words suggest that you have done exactly that.
Good day.
Why include a quote in your post and then ignore its contents?
Your last six words suggest that you have done exactly that.
Good day.
I was referring my last six words to my previous post.
A nice thought but not always true. There are divides in various attitudes as well. Sometimes better, sometimes not.
Abigail is looking for a kind hearted westerner. Lots of them about but she may have more of a problem with the god fearing requirement.
To get an idea of the man, see if he opens the door for you on the first date.
A gentleman always will and continues to do so after marriage.
It was my parents golden wedding (50th) last Saturday. My father stills does so. Now maybe that's crap but I was brought up to be chivalrous and it sticks.
Even at my worst behaviour as a drunken, leather clad, bonking biker, I remained gallant and courteous. I was the poshest hooligan for miles.
Your dad opening the door for your mother is anything but crap , Fred I not only open the door for my wife but all woman if I'm handy, you have atoned for any miss deeds I'm sure, ( gallant&courteous) I like your father already without even knowing him,----- my wife and I are 12 years away from fifty, Best wishes to your parents, congrats !!!
If I am at the door before others and they are close behind I hold it open for anyone and appreciate it when they do the same for me be they women or men. It's not a point of being chivalrous. It's a matter of being thoughtful and courteous when one has the opportunity.
Rapists can be clever enough to open doors for women so it's a pretty silly gauge of the man. Ever heard of Ted Bundy, one of the most prolific serial sex offenders and murderers in history. He was very charming from many witnesses accounts, right up to the point when he disabled and raped then murdered them.
On the other side of the coin if a guy doesn't hold the door open this is again a lousy gauge deciding he isn't worthy of a womans time. It's shallow to think otherwise. Often people don't listen carefully to what another is saying. Most slobs hang themselves with their own words. Listen carefully ladies and if you smell bullshit call him on it. If he is forthright with his answers things might be ok even if you disagree with his opinion but if he begins to backtrack and attempts to worm his way out of what he said, bye bye is probably the best solution.
I like to just keep things simple. I have had an attraction to Asian things from a young age Art, history, women and I assume there are some Asian women that have the same attraction for Western things. Maybe opposites do attract or maybe there is just an feeling that can't be explained. If someone is looking for a special type of person, then rather than analyzing it to death and questioning the motives, why not just accept it and help if we can? I could talk all day on why I don't like the term "god fearing" but that wouldn't help the OP. So I will just wish her luck to find what she is really looking for.
I like to just keep things simple. I have had an attraction to Asian things from a young age Art, history, women and I assume there are some Asian women that have the same attraction for Western things.
that's me since kindergarten :lol:
Things? Oh ok I got it. :)
Things? Oh ok I got it. :)
:whistle:
Johnsong1966
21-03-10, 12:32
This turned into a very interesting thread.
My opinion is in summary it doesnt matter where your from, what your beliefs or the colour of your skin each person is an individual and should be treated so until you can form an opinion about them. Everyone is an blank book when you meet them it is only when you meet them that you can start writing the chapters and see what kind of story it will be.
Wow very philosophical for me this morning sorry :)
fear-God n gentle hearted is required.. are u?? :)
Anyone Japanese here?
90DegreesEast
05-04-10, 16:42
Anyone Japanese here?
Gentle hearted? Check the history books lol
This turned into a very interesting thread.
My opinion is in summary it doesnt matter where your from, what your beliefs or the colour of your skin each person is an individual and should be treated so until you can form an opinion about them. Everyone is an blank book when you meet them it is only when you meet them that you can start writing the chapters and see what kind of story it will be.
Wow very philosophical for me this morning sorry :)
I second that.
This turned into a very interesting thread.
My opinion is in summary it doesnt matter where your from, what your beliefs or the colour of your skin each person is an individual and should be treated so until you can form an opinion about them. Everyone is an blank book when you meet them it is only when you meet them that you can start writing the chapters and see what kind of story it will be.
Wow very philosophical for me this morning sorry :)
i don't care where u'r from and what u believe when i deal with people. but being a soulmate for me is a different thing. i have my right to determine what criteria that i wish to be in that person as my soulmate and nobody can judge since it's my personal business. i realize it's not easy to find God fearing person in this wicked world but i believe God and i also believe He's almighty and living God that is able to make me meet the right person at the right time as He plans for me. thanks for all comments
waarmstrong
06-04-10, 22:28
If God-fearing is what you are searching for, increase your odds of success. Avoid the church.
My wife has an Indonesian/Western dating site. Whenever an Indonesian girl requests "God fearing man wanted" she never gets any replies
'God fearing' probably means you have something to hide. I was raised Catholic in Ireland and came across plenty of God fearing people who were total bastards. Who was it who said "the problem with faith is that it is not regulated by conscience".
How about when they say, " I want to have a white baby". Her mailbox gets swamped right?
waarmstrong
07-04-10, 19:45
My wife has an Indonesian/Western dating site. Whenever an Indonesian girl requests "God fearing man wanted" she never gets any replies
I guess that variety of gent is either celibate or into young boys, at least it would appear so to anyone reading the Irish or German news papers.
I guess that variety of gent is either celibate or into young boys, at least it would appear so to anyone reading the Irish or German news papers.
Not to mention the Boston Globe or maybe the Vatican Gazette
LOL. Actually I don't think anyone has specified that yet but I know some of my wife's friends do think that way. Seems that many Indonesian girls have this white skin wish, which is why there are so many ads on TV for useless skin whiteners, many of them with a grade card suggesting that the model started off dark and is now white. Personally I prefer them the way they are.
How about when they say, " I want to have a white baby". Her mailbox gets swamped right?
angelita0812
08-04-10, 15:51
If God-fearing is what you are searching for, increase your odds of success. Avoid the church.
Ghehehe... U gotta point there... LOL...
Well the word GOD-fearing is kindda have a slightly confusing meaning though..
Why a man (and woman) fear GOD..??
Nope not discuss church thingy just my opinion though..
Cheers... (^_^)
angelita0812
08-04-10, 15:55
LOL. Actually I don't think anyone has specified that yet but I know some of my wife's friends do think that way. Seems that many Indonesian girls have this white skin wish, which is why there are so many ads on TV for useless skin whiteners, many of them with a grade card suggesting that the model started off dark and is now white. Personally I prefer them the way they are.
Indeed some of my friends avoiding sunlight n put on a tons of whitening products...
But some my friends (including me nowdays) looking for sun in every daylight and even put on tanning lotion..
Well thats just the way we are (girl will be girl)..
Cheers.. (^_^)
BetawiBlonde
08-04-10, 16:42
Indeed some of my friends avoiding sunlight n put on a tons of whitening products...
But some my friends (including me nowdays) looking for sun in every daylight and even put on tanning lotion..
Well thats just the way we are (girl will be girl)..
Cheers.. (^_^)
I personally luuurve the sprayed carrot look.. :cheer2:
Well the word GOD-fearing is kindda have a slightly confusing meaning though..
No confusion. It translates as, "definitely no nookie before walking down the aisle".
wanna an unforgetable date? :welcome:
ponyexpress
13-02-12, 06:53
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