and another dark clouds has folded our sky today, again.... [Archive]

annebandung

03-08-09, 13:00

i was baking some spiky pandan sponge cake when i heard this news on TV one's breaking news, they said that a Merpati plane went missing since have lost contact during it's flight from Sentani airport to Oksibil Airport in Jayapura, Papua. There were 16 passangers inside the plane, including crew and two kids under 5 years old, until i write this post, the SAR team still looking for its track, they still cannot find the exact location of the plane, and the passangers family is in a deep mourn and missing, they said that in papua, they always use a small plane, so it can fly lower to avoid the extreme weather exchange, but as the consequences, they have to deal with lots of mountains and thick mist, so its a high possibility to lose some point of view and contact.
indonesia has endured a series of air disasters in recent years,affecting both commercial and military aircraft, and the news about crash or missing plane is just like a daily food to me, since the European Union forbid our planes to enter their territory (recently pulled out), it must be a proof how the international community has lack trust upon us...since the last 10 years, theres about 46 accidents occurs, with more than 500 victims, largest number in the whole world...
well...my sponge cakes is just fine, fortunately, but i still cant imagine how worry they're missing their families out there, though life and death has been arranged, and im not avoiding to flight using Indonesia Airlines...

it will be nice if you guys would like to sharing opinions and how's ur feeling and trust about the indonesian flight service.

regards

anne :)

kingwilly

03-08-09, 13:23

it will be nice if you guys would like to sharing opinions and how's ur feeling and trust about the indonesian flight service.

annoyed that the powers that be blame the EU for racism rather than accepting that inodesian airlines are substandard.

annebandung

03-08-09, 13:34

annoyed that the powers that be blame the EU for racism rather than accepting that inodesian airlines are substandard.

:nod: yes...agreed that, i think it's one of Indonesian characteristic, not gentle enough to admit our incapability in something, it will be better if we're find another issues that can cover our deficiency :frown2:

atlantis

03-08-09, 14:34

Once again, corruption is the root. Any law, any standard, any control is far too easy to bypass.
I fly around Indonesia about 30 times a year and to be honest, it became a routine to check carefully the company along with the type and age of aircraft, before flying. It requires me to spend a few minutes on Internet and/or on the phone before booking a ticket, but I have a very limited trust in indonesian operators. However I don't have much choice. I must fly.

Mas Fred

03-08-09, 15:56

I once saw a video on youtube of an Indonesia passenger jet with gaffa tape holding a hatch down on the stbd wing.
I'll try to dig it out.

ninja247

03-08-09, 17:45

I tried to lookup that video, but all i found was this pic.

http://i37.tinypic.com/69kpvq.jpg

and email from the photographer to Boeing personal

From: xxxxxxxx
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:07 AM
Subject: B737-400 - Do you know what this hole/section made for?
Dear Sir,
I flew with one of Indonesian airline. And when i saw to right engine through a window, I saw a strange hole on the top of the engine. Do you know what this hole/section made for? I don’t understand, why they didn’t close the hole/hatch but only used some bloody tapes and all the tapes lost during take off? Is it safe?
Thanks for your future reply
Regards,
xxxxxxxx

globetottermom

03-08-09, 18:16

Yes, sadly it boils down to maintenance and these low cost operators are cutting back on their maintenance to save money. Don't blame the old aircrafts itself as with proper maintenance even a much much older plane can still fly safely.

My husband just got a job in one of the local airlines and he was 'shocked' to say the least about what's going on behind the scenes LOL. Fortunately, the airline that he's working for seems to be working hard to fix their 'rating' (following the current government rating safety system). They still have a long way to regain the international trusts.

Mas Fred

03-08-09, 22:33

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/asia-pacific/8180222.stm

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46143000/gif/_46143454_indonesia_papua.gif
A plane with 16 people on board has gone missing over the remote Papua region of eastern Indonesia.
The journey, from Jayapura to Oksibil, usually takes 50 minutes. The region is thickly forested. Some planes that crashed there have never been found.
Three crew and 13 passengers, including two babies, were on board. The search and rescue operation is being hampered by bad weather.

Not looking good for the passengers and crew.

annebandung

03-08-09, 22:54

Well,every airlines must have its own standards of fly,of course its necessary for the government to interference and watching the procedures run, once I heard the head of indonesian Airforce said 'its unnecessary for you to ask whether the plane is proper to fly or not,the plane that had took off has passed a set of test and research whether its proper or not,so the plane that have flight in the sky MUST BE A PROPER ONE, so when it came to an accident, it must be an unpredictable error and a destiny" WTF!!! Destiny?? Lol, its a desperate answer came from a colonel major, I mean,its ok if 5. Or 10 accidents per 10 months, we can say yes,its a destiny,but 44 accidents and 500 victims?? Come on,its not a destiny,its a silly human resources and mentally ill...I even thought that there's something mystical happened here,its like we're cursed,or the earth is angry with what we have done to cheat each other and stuff...well, hope that they can find something from the rescue attempts...

redsnapr

04-08-09, 00:51

The above photos show an access panel of the right engine pylon (engine's supporting structure) of a 737-400 airplane, obviously missing. On the 1st photo, a maintenance technician is applying what seems to be "high-speed" tape, a standard procedure for temporarily repairing this type of discrepancy. Airlines must use 2 main documents to act on discrepancies like this one: the minimum equipment list (MEL) and the dispatch deviations procedures guide (DDPG), both produced by the aircraft manufacturer and approved by the aviation authority of the country of manufacture. These documents tell how and under what conditions certain equipment or parts of the airplane could be deficient or missing in order to continue operating the airplane under airworthy conditions. The discrepancy shown on the photos is an example of the type of situations where the mentioned documents have to be carefully applied, as the missing panel negatively impacts the efficiency of the engine's fire suppression system in case of an engine fire (the fire suppressing agent would blow away from the potential fire area). The use of high-speed tape may have been allowed by the manuals mentioned above, but the tape was evidently not correctly applied, as is shown on the 2nd photo and is mentioned in the photographer's message to Boeing.

Not destiny nor curse is to blame here. Low cost airlines have one relatively "easy" way to maintain their fares (read internal cost structure) levels low: cutting expenditures in maintenance, training and overhead (experienced personnel). If you combine that with a corrupt oversight system that do not do their job, you then have a scenario of poor flight safety.

I heard not long ago the Indonesian government had called for an international audit of Indonesia's civil aviation regulations and organization. What was the outcome of this audit ?

atlantis

04-08-09, 06:12

Very interesting input Redsnapr... :) Thanks for it.

gffgold

04-08-09, 07:31

I once saw a video on youtube of an Indonesia passenger jet with gaffa tape holding a hatch down on the stbd wing.
I'll try to dig it out.

There was also an incredible series of photos showing an Adam Air jet that landed at Bengkulu with no nosegear hydraulics and therefore could not steer at low speed. The pilot should have returned to Jakarta where facilities exist for an emergency landing but chose to continue to Bengkulu as scheduled. That incident was a hair's breadth away from a major disaster.

Atlantis is correct - corruption is the underlying problem. Adam Air's flying circus was an extreme case but it illustrated how easy it was for an airline operator to bribe their way out of virtually any safety responsibility with the civil aviation inspectorate. That inspectorate has long been a cash cow for officials in the transport ministry which is why the ministry has resisted all moves to wrest control of the inspectorate to an independent body.

annebandung

04-08-09, 08:49

Source: metroTV headline news : the missing merpati plane reported missing few days ago has founded by a pilot while across the bintan mountain area, the pilot said that he just saw the backside of the missing plane , he reported it right away to the control tower and gave the cordinate,the sar team is on the way there and until now,still they can't tell us how's the passanger doing up there..*hopes that they can go home safely...wrote this while driving,so I apologize if somethin mistyoe or misgrammar lol thankssss
Mi

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Mas Fred

04-08-09, 10:25

There was an old joke that involved point to the sky and saying, "look, Air asia". Doing to again and saying, "look, British Airways".
The third point would be to the floor while uttering, "Look, an Indonesian aeroplane". Crap joke but it make a valid point.

By the way Anna, don't post and drive. I really don't want to hear you are in hospital.:smile2:

ohmdafyd

04-08-09, 17:02

annebandung

04-08-09, 22:34

I heard not long ago the Indonesian government had called for an international audit of Indonesia's civil aviation regulations and organization. What was the outcome of this audit ?

Umm...if im not mistaken, yes, in 2008,the ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) has purposed to audit 4 airlines in Indonesia, and the result is that they finally found 121 diversions from international flight basic safety rules. Based on that diversion, the FAA then downgraded the Indonesia Aviation Authority.that's why EU banned us to fly across their territory, then finally, the government success to complete the regulation (Law No. 1/2009) on aviation, which is recognized by the EU as a positive progress so they released the restriction. :)

"The removal of restrictions for Indonesian airlines flying to Europe does not necessarily indicate that the safety level of our airlines has completely met international aircraft safety standards. There is still a lot of work to do." (Chappy Hakim, Chairman of Civil Aviation Transformation Team)

annebandung

04-08-09, 22:53

By the way Anna, don't post and drive. I really don't want to hear you are in hospital.:smile2:

:car: well, mas...i'm an expert enough to do that, some of several things i can do while driving, beside wearing mascara and eat cereals, lol...insya Allah i'll be still careful though

Rushing Doll

04-08-09, 23:07

annebandung

04-08-09, 23:09

You wrote that whilst driving??? :typing:,
Bloody hell have you any idea why some countries have that as a serious driving offence!
Think about it...

lol...my bad :), but no worries, sir... i was on the highway so there will be no

patrol police there, even though there was, still no worries, just with a blink of an eye and 20.000 idr, all problems will be solved :thumb:

redsnapr

04-08-09, 23:10

Anne, just DON'T DO IT!! Maaf, it's well meant. :frown2:

SMS'ing, texting, typing or however you want to call it, while driving is more dangerous than driving while intoxicated. I'm sure you have plenty of time after you get off your car. And we'll be waiting here anyway. :smile2:

Rushing Doll

04-08-09, 23:15

lol...my bad :), but no worries, sir... i was on the highway so there will be no

patrol police there, even though there was, still no worries, just with a blink of an eye and 20.000 idr, all problems will be solved :thumb:

Tim M signature springs to mind.
"Common sense and communal responsibility should prevail above any laws a country may or may not have "
Has it crossed your mind that some one "ELSE" may get hurt?

annebandung

04-08-09, 23:18

I am sure you are joking right?:frown2:

lol, no i'm not ma'am..it's like a habit, driving while doing some BB stuff like posting blog, twitter-ing, etc is my specialities, beside curlying my lashes and put on mascara and stuff...*have to do it when i'm late enough to do it at home :eyebrows:

ninja247

04-08-09, 23:19

:car: well, mas...i'm an expert enough to do that, some of several things i can do while driving, beside wearing mascara and eat cereals, lol...insya Allah i'll be still careful though

this is whats wrong with this country. trying to get away with everything.
"as long as i'm not crashing"
"as long as i'm careful"
"as ling as i can pay the bribe"
" as long as the police not around"

why not stick to the rule. the whole world is not revolve around you. by obeying the rule you might save other people life

ninja247

04-08-09, 23:23

lol, no i'm not ma'am..it's like a habit, driving while doing some BB stuff like posting blog, twitter-ing, etc is my specialities, beside curlying my lashes and put on mascara and stuff...*have to do it when i'm late enough to do it at home :eyebrows:

oh my ...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3094/2713049064_a756f5dceb.jpg

annebandung

04-08-09, 23:27

Tim M signature springs to mind.
"Common sense and communal responsibility should prevail above any laws a country may or may not have "
Has it crossed your mind that some one "ELSE" may get hurt?

lol...it was just a sarcasm ironical joke, ma'am...of course i don't bribe officers just because i put my make up on while driving, beside i do it in the safest way, took the left way and do it while the highway traffic is kinda empty. in other words, i think, calculate, and take everyone's safety as my main consideration :hippie:

Rushing Doll

04-08-09, 23:29

lol, no i'm not ma'am..it's like a habit, driving while doing some BB stuff like posting blog, twitter-ing, etc is my specialities, beside curlying my lashes and put on mascara and stuff...*have to do it when i'm late enough to do it at home :eyebrows:

Its a bad habit and maybe you should think about giving it up? Before your hurt yourself or someone else..........................
Really disappointed to read the above..........

annebandung

04-08-09, 23:43

this is whats wrong with this country. trying to get away with everything.
"as long as i'm not crashing"
"as long as i'm careful"
"as ling as i can pay the bribe"
" as long as the police not around"

why not stick to the rule. the whole world is not revolve around you. by obeying the rule you might save other people life

woww... you guys are such a mature and obedient characters, well...my characteristic now, some of them are formed by my environment and formal/informal institutions educated me, those 'as long as' character has been deep-rooted in me and millions other indonesian people, beside if we are become the only one who have that idealic attitude, we will troubled ourself, however, still i put this optimist and comforting quotes in my head

"Starts from the simplest thing, starts from ourselves, and starts from now" ( KH. Abdullah A. Gymnastiar aka AA Gym ) *thinkin to take this as my signature :peace:

annebandung

04-08-09, 23:51

Its a bad habit and maybe you should think about giving it up? Before your hurt yourself or someone else..........................
Really disappointed to read the above..........

:nod: of course, thanks ma'am... uumm, i will trying hard to shift my dashboard middle mirror to the other way but my face, my mom has also warned me that, lol...but you know, bad habit is like a chocolate cake, i knew they're bad for me, but i can't leave them alone...:hungry:

globetottermom

04-08-09, 23:52

woww... you guys are such a mature and obedient characters, well...my characteristic now, some of them are formed by my environment and formal/informal institutions educated me, those 'as long as' character has been deep-rooted in me and millions other indonesian people, beside if we are become the only one who have that idealic attitude, we will troubled ourself, however, still i put this optimist and comforting quotes in my head

Anne, I am Indonesian and I understand where you're coming from but seriously girl, you gotta stop doing that. Yes, you've been careful but that is not practising safety driving. Just so you know, a few seconds in a car accidents counts! Something that is deep rooted and just because other millions of people are doing it doesn't mean we have to follow them. Take the good, ditch the bad.

Just my 0.2 cents.

annebandung

05-08-09, 00:02

Anne, I am Indonesian and I understand where you're coming from but seriously girl, you gotta stop doing that. Yes, you've been careful but that is not practising safety driving. Just so you know, a few seconds in a car accidents counts! Something that is deep rooted and just because other millions of people are doing it doesn't mean we have to follow them. Take the good, ditch the bad.

Just my 0.2 cents.

:hug:yes, ma'am...keep it in mind, seriously... i'm trying though, but that BB-ing and mascara thing is just because i done it once, then succeeded, so i did the 2nd, 3rd, and so on... but i promise not to do that thing anymore :nono:

Mas Fred

05-08-09, 06:35

:hug:yes, ma'am...keep it in mind, seriously... i'm trying though, but that BB-ing and mascara thing is just because i done it once, then succeeded, so i did the 2nd, 3rd, and so on... but i promise not to do that thing anymore :nono:

Good or I'll pop up there and give you a right spanking.
Seriously, you do need to take care while driving. Indonesian roads and road safety are bad at the best of times and I really don't want to read a post from you about your hospital stay or, even worse, no posts ever again.

Now pack it in or my spank goes to botty land.:bounce:

ohmdafyd

05-08-09, 09:19

Here is just one example why the laws exist against using Mobile Phones or being distracted whilst driving by applying make up or whatever.
A young Australian lady was texting whilst driving not so long ago and ran into a cyclist, unfortunately the cyclist died and the young ladies life is now ruined having been convicted for manslaughter.
Two families grieving and for what?...impatience and stupidity!

annebandung

05-08-09, 10:37

Awww...naudzubillah min dzalika, mas!!!! Hopefully it's not this fast, I'm not married yet :(,and I want to taste what is it like to feel that switzerland truffle chocolate melts in my mouth,lol...there you go spankers,lol..

Good or I'll pop up there and give you a right spanking.
Seriously, you do need to take care while driving. Indonesian roads and road safety are bad at the best of times and I really don't want to read a post from you about your hospital stay or, even worse, no posts ever again.

Now pack it in or my spank goes to botty land.:bounce:

annebandung

05-08-09, 10:50

Yes sir, thought about how can I ruined my own life if I accidentaly slaughter someone, that's why I did it in a highway there's no cycle,however,yes I admit that my bad habit is dangerous, my mother also warned me about that many times..because whenever she take a look at my car, she always found that middle dashboard mirror reflects on my face's way..which means I used it for put on my moisturizer cream and stuff, though I feel that left and right 'spion' mirrors is enough, still she warned me not to continue that bad habit, or she plans to ripped it off away from my dashboard, by the way, I'm on the way to campus,now :p but its red traffic lamp and got my handbrake on :p

Here is just one example why the laws exist against using Mobile Phones or being distracted whilst driving by applying make up or whatever.

A young Australian lady was texting whilst driving not so long ago and ran into a cyclist, unfortunately the cyclist died and the young ladies life is now ruined having been convicted for manslaughter.
Two families grieving and for what?...impatience and stupidity!

atlantis

05-08-09, 15:23

Hopeless...:frown2:

femme

05-08-09, 15:42

ohmdafyd

05-08-09, 16:31

Hopeless...:frown2:

I'm afraid so mate...:deadhorse:
Just like the guy on his motorcycle I met almost head on in my little but very solid SUV as we were rounding a corner, he with his left hand on the handlebars and his right hand texting as he was looking at the screen of the hand phone, all whilst turning the corner of a small Jalan, lucky for him at least I was paying attention... unbelievable!

Mas Fred

05-08-09, 17:20

ninja247

05-08-09, 17:50

I'm afraid so mate...:deadhorse:
Just like the guy on his motorcycle I met almost head on in my little but very solid SUV as we were rounding a corner, he with his left hand on the handlebars and his right hand texting as he was looking at the screen of the hand phone, all whilst turning the corner of a small Jalan, lucky for him at least I was paying attention... unbelievable!

:jaw:texting while riding motorcycle??? i remember seeing people talking on the phone on motorcycle, but texting???? damn ...

My ojek man once picked up his phone while we're on the road. I told him to pull over and finish the conversation. I'm not in a hurry to the other side

annebandung

05-08-09, 19:09

Come on, Anne..
You know that's a dangerous habit, yet you still do it?
Beside you should put moisturizer and sunblock BEFORE you out of the house. The function of those cream is to protect you from UVA and UVB. Don't you think it's a bit late to apply it when you're in outdoor area already?

lol, i usually did it on my way to campus, when i late enough to attend my morning class or an exam :p, yet i'm trying not to do that anymore, sist...step by step at least... :)

annebandung

05-08-09, 19:18

Hopeless...:frown2:

siirrrr... i made progress am i??? at least today i only play with my phone during the traffic lamp was red with the handbrake on, it was because i have to reply my mom's text message and reply my lecturer's message on messenger, it's not dangerous, is it? beside i sometimes got horned by those cars behind me cause when the lamp is green, i stayed there still...

annebandung

05-08-09, 19:32

Innalillahi...:rip:

just heard a news that all of the merpati plane passenger have passed away when the plane dropped down at the Bintang mountain area near abmisibil... praying for the lost souls and may the family given courage and strength to get through this...:sad:

atlantis

05-08-09, 20:06

femme

05-08-09, 21:05

But Anne,
Whether you make progress or not is your concern. You know that texting/making calls/putting make up while driving is dangerous. Or if you didn't know that, there are people who warned you so you should know by now. In my humble opinion,
making progress is not enough. You may still be dangerous for other people.
But then, you're an adult. You should know better :)

ninja247

05-08-09, 21:42

excuse me, i think it's time drop the stubborn call

femme

05-08-09, 21:50

excuse me, i think it's time drop the stubborn call

I'm with you, ninja :)

well... at least until you start doing your ninja trick and dissapear.... :bounce:

annebandung

05-08-09, 21:52

:),yess...sometimes being an adult is not enough to make us do what's right and leave the bad :),but however, I have a will to fix it,lol...even though not suddenly removed from me, I'm sure that I can leave it step by step, its like my other bad habit like biting nails,eating chocolate at midnight, etc...bad habit won't harm any other people but myself, and yes..I'm quitting that danger driving habit,step by step
,lol...thanks a lot,sis..

But Anne,
Whether you make progress or not is your concern. You know that texting/making calls/putting make up while driving is dangerous. Or if you didn't know that, there are people who warned you so you should know by now. In my humble opinion,
making progress is not enough. You may still be dangerous for other people.
But then, you're an adult. You should know better :)

femme

05-08-09, 21:56

bad habit won't harm any other people but myself
biting your nails and eating choclate at midnight, yes it will only harm yourself.
But not with phoning/texting/make up-ing while driving... It is dangerous for other people, too.... And don't tell me you don't know whow that habit can be dangerous for other people..

sorry ninja... I couldn't resist... :p I will drop this issue after this :D

annebandung

05-08-09, 22:11

I'm not being a stbborn, siirrrr...how can I make you believe that I'm open to any advice and keep it in my mind very well, lol...today I even got my phone silented and just reach through it while I was on red traffic lamp stop,I bought myself a double scoop baskin robins ice cream as a reward for myself, which makes me have some spirit to do better,lol...wish me luck anyway :D

excuse me, i think it's time drop the stubborn call

annebandung

05-08-09, 22:21

Oh, yess...I do know it, that's why I decided to stop,just like I know that biting nails habit won't give a good effect to my health, and I know for sure that chocolate is such an evil, the point is me and some other people sometimes do things that we know its not a proper thing to do,caused by any reason,and I do understand the 'harm other people' point, and I made efforts to stop that bad thing,lol...all I need is a little time, patience, and an alarm who could promptly spank my a** if I accidentaly break my promise to myself :)

biting your nails and eating choclate at midnight, yes it will only harm yourself.
But not with phoning/texting/make up-ing while driving... It is dangerous for other people, too.... And don't tell me you don't know whow that habit can be dangerous for other people..

sorry ninja... I couldn't resist... :p I will drop this issue after this :D

annebandung

05-08-09, 22:29

Yeahh...that is possibly could happened,sir...maybe he's too busy to update his facebook status or received some 'cendol' on 'kaskus',due to the impossibility of he was too late to put on some mascara and blush on at the airport so he did it at the cockpit while flying the plane....

May be it is another case of a pilot smsing while having carefully drop the gas?

Mas Fred

05-08-09, 22:37

annebandung

05-08-09, 23:16

Anne. Any chance of changing that avatar?
I'm considering taking up epilepsy after a couple of moments reading your posts.
I would like to suggest something involving a view of these nice legs of yours.

lol:photo:allright, mas... i promised not to harm any other people with my bad habit, now i don't want you to get an epilepsy caused by my avatar, i'm actually looking for a female sheep avatar bouncing up and down with a spankable a** carrying handcuffs :whistle: have any idea where to find it?

Mas Fred

06-08-09, 06:05

lol:photo:allright, mas... i promised not to harm any other people with my bad habit, now i don't want you to get an epilepsy caused by my avatar, i'm actually looking for a female sheep avatar bouncing up and down with a spankable a** carrying handcuffs :whistle: have any idea where to find it?

Porn is illegal in this country. I'm disgusted at the suggestion. :bounce:

annebandung

06-08-09, 06:54

Lol...why??its cute,isn't it? Beside it's not included as a porn material if it doesn't raise someone's desire to do any bad thing to the others,compare to a pair of half-naked legs wearing black stockings and heels, lol...*i bet there
will be a sub-thread concerns to pornography law after this* lol,never mind,mas..was just kidding :p

Porn is illegal in this country. I'm disgusted at the suggestion. :bounce: