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I live in Jakarta and have an IDP (international driving permit) certified for Motorcycles.
Can someone answer questions about the fundamentals of buying and riding a motorbike here, such as:
1) What are the steps involved from IDP to owning & riding legally?
2) I don't need to get an Indonesian driver's license or Kita (resident card), do I?
3) Anything I should know in selecting a merchant from which to buy?
4) Can I just walk in and buy a bike and begin riding it immediately, or do I need to wait for some process/paperwork?
5) Are there any hidden fees or abnormal taxes associated with the purchase?
6) Is it true that insurance is not legally required?
7) Do most merchants make you buy insurance anyways?
8) How does insurance work?
9) Does the motorbike need to be inspected for safety and/or emissions? Does this happen only once or repeatedly?
10) Does the motorbike need to be registered with the government? Does this happen only once or repeatedly?
11) Does the merchant handle registration (getting license plates) for me? How long does it take?
12) Are helmets required by law? I would assume yes.
13) Is there an English translation of motorcycle (or car) driving laws available anywhere?
14) Anything unique about motorcycle driving laws here?
Thanks much
simarkbotak
16-03-09, 16:46
1) What are the steps involved from IDP to owning & riding legally?
2) I don't need to get an Indonesian driver's license or Kita (resident card), do I?
Yes, AFAIK you need at least a KITAS for an ILD.
3) Anything I should know in selecting a merchant from which to buy?
Depends on the type of bike and budget.
4) Can I just walk in and buy a bike and begin riding it immediately, or do I need to wait for some process/paperwork?
You can walk in and buy, but not ride until the bike is registered.
5) Are there any hidden fees or abnormal taxes associated with the purchase?
Not usually.
6) Is it true that insurance is not legally required?
No, legally required only for public transport!? ;) (it's true!!)
7) Do most merchants make you buy insurance anyways?
No
10) Does the motorbike need to be registered with the government? Does this happen only once or repeatedly?
Yes, registration valid for 5 years, taxes annually.
11) Does the merchant handle registration (getting license plates) for me? How long does it take?
Yes, about 2 weeks.
12) Are helmets required by law? I would assume yes.
Yes
14) Anything unique about motorcycle driving laws here?
Just twist and go! ;)
2) I don't need to get an Indonesian driver's license or Kita (resident card), do I?
Yes, AFAIK you need at least a KITAS for an ILD.
No. I mean can I own a motorbike and drive legally using only my foreign driver's license and an International Drivers Permit, without a Kitas and without an Indonesian driver's license?
4) Can I just walk in and buy a bike and begin riding it immediately, or do I need to wait for some process/paperwork?
You can walk in and buy, but not ride until the bike is registered.
So do I take the bike home by walking it or loading it onto a truck, (or ride it illegally) or do I leave it with the merchant until it is registered?
10) Does the motorbike need to be registered with the government? Does this happen only once or repeatedly?
Yes, registration valid for 5 years, taxes annually.
How do I pay taxes? Do I receive a tax statement by mail?
Oh and Simarkbotak, thanks for the information!
If you don't have a KITAS, you will be in trouble to buy it under your name...:cool:
simarkbotak
17-03-09, 10:52
No. I mean can I own a motorbike and drive legally using only my foreign driver's license and an International Drivers Permit, without a Kitas and without an Indonesian driver's license?
So do I take the bike home by walking it or loading it onto a truck, (or ride it illegally) or do I leave it with the merchant until it is registered?
How do I pay taxes? Do I receive a tax statement by mail?
You will need KITAS for Registration and IDL.
AFAIK, Int.DL not valid in Indonesia.
Bike will be sent to any address by truck F.O.C. after purchase, and you can only stare at it until it's registered.. ;)
Taxes are payed through SAMSAT (Police Division for Road Vehicles)
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Bike will be sent to any address by truck F.O.C. after purchase, and you can only stare at it until it's registered.. ;)
Strictly speaking this is true..however if you live in the Kampung, tidak apa2, ride around as much as you like..just be bloody careful! :}
I do not have a KITAS but I do have the documents shown in photos in this other thread:
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php?t=3355
I do not know the common/colloquial name of these documents, but I think at least one of them is called a "Dinas".
The motorcycle dealers that I have visited refuse to sell me a bike unless I have a KITAS (as people said above in this thread), but I do not know how to get a KITAS.
Also I have a feeling that a Dinas is just like a KITAS but it is for diplomatic/service people instead of foreigners with more traditional jobs. So shouldn't I be able to use either a KITAS or the Dinas to buy a motorbike?
I want to buy a bike and have the dealer register the bike and get numbered license plates for me, which I believe is called "On the road", as opposed to "off the road", where one buys a bike but must register it themselves in order for it to be legally driven. I want "on the road", not "off the road".
One dealer said to go to my local (Menteng) "Keluarahan Menteng" or "Kecamatan Menteng" to get a card that I would need (maybe this is called a KTP), but another dealer said that these places are for Indonesians and not foreigners.
Please help
Others here are far more expert in legal matters but a KITAS is a card to demonstrate that you are a 'temporary resident' in Indonesia and is granted to those with certain types of 1 year visa. The stamp in your picture suggests a 3 month visa. You can't simply get yourself a KITAS though if you intend to be here for a year or more I'm surprised your employer doesn't sponsor you for one.
An alternative is to get a TRUSTED friend to buy a bike in his/her name, give you the ownership docs and you can ride it perfectly legally with an IDP. You don't need to get an Indonesian diving licence if you are a 3 month 'visitor', and indeed quite a few bules with a 1 year KITAS drive around on a IDP.
'Fully legal' is a slippery concept in road traffic terms here and is not to be confused with the same term in some other jurisdictions.
1) What are the steps involved from IDP to owning & riding legally?
I understand you can use an international licence but I think you have to tell the local cops about it. Even if I'm wrong it won't hurt anything anyway.
2) I don't need to get an Indonesian driver's license or Kita (resident card), do I?
To get an Indonesian licence you have to do a 2 part test. the licence will be valid until the date of your legal stay in Indonesia
3) Anything I should know in selecting a merchant from which to buy?
Assuming you intend to buy new, go to a dealer for the brand you like. I prefer Honda and went to Astra motor who are a main dealer here.
4) Can I just walk in and buy a bike and begin riding it immediately, or do I need to wait for some process/paperwork?
I can't comment on the cities but here in the sticks they bung a temp plate on it that says "TES" and you just ride. I kept the receipt from the shop in my pockets as I was advised to do by others and no one gave me any trouble when I was stopped by the police. I bought i in my wife's name to make things easy for the registration.
5) Are there any hidden fees or abnormal taxes associated with the purchase?
They will quote a price 'on the road'. Remember, once a year, you have to pay road tax. Your plates will have a date on them.
6) Is it true that insurance is not legally required?
That's a laugh. I tried to buy it and failed totally. I could get it for theft at 10% of the bike's value per year but no way I could find accident insurance.
7) Do most merchants make you buy insurance anyways?
Not that I noticed
8) How does insurance work?
Badly with a reputation for running off with premiums.
9) Does the motorbike need to be inspected for safety and/or emissions? Does this happen only once or repeatedly?
Ha ha. :D
10) Does the motorbike need to be registered with the government? Does this happen only once or repeatedly?
Once on the sale and. I think, when the plate expires.
11) Does the merchant handle registration (getting license plates) for me? How long does it take?
Yes and a few weeks for me.
12) Are helmets required by law? I would assume yes.
Yes and enforced in large towns but not much bothered with in the small towns and villages.
13) Is there an English translation of motorcycle (or car) driving laws available anywhere?
Not that I've found but I believe there may be.
14) Anything unique about motorcycle driving laws here?
Most are ignored by the people that know them. Most people don't know them.
The real trick is not the law but the real day to day riding. Basically people here are total head cases on the road. Watch the buggers like a hawk if you want to live.
The stamp in your picture suggests a 3 month visa.
That particular instance was 3 month due to a mess up by my employer, but normally (prior years, future years), it is a full 1 year.
You can't simply get yourself a KITAS though if you intend to be here for a year or more I'm surprised your employer doesn't sponsor you for one.
My sense is that the reason that they do not sponsor it is because they believe that the 2 items attached in that other thread (http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php?t=3355) are equivalent to a KITAS for my job, because it is the World Bank and they use Dinas instead, while other more common jobs use KITAS. To be clear, those 2 items are employer-sponsored and they are the only employer-sponsored immigration/residency/identity documents that I have
Scooter, I'll answer to your other thread, soon. Sorry, I am quite busy at the momnt. In short, your problem is not gonna be easy to solve. Being a Dinas visa holder, your legal papers are sorted out by DepLu (Departemen Luar Negeri/ Foreign Ministry) and NOT Imigrasi (which belongs to the Minister of Justice and Human Rights). Imigrasi is in charge to give residency permit named KITAS, while DepLu issue an equivalent which is the plastic card that you've scanned in your thread. Unfortunately for you both to buy and to pass a SIM, people will ask you to produce a KITAS... The problem is that you have a "special status", and don't have the same rights, nor the same obligations than a KITAS holder. You don't have to bother about NPWP and Fiskal do you?, no need MERP also, I think?...etc
Thanks. I look forward to more detail if you can provide it when you are less busy.
Since I don't actually require the SIM (as far as I understand), I am more interested in the ability to purchase and use the bike "on the road" with numbered license plates with my US driver's license and IDP.
Are these correct?
SIM = Indonesian Driver's License
NPWP = Personal income tax number. Correct we do not have this or pay tax.
Fiskal = Departure tax. Correct we do not have to pay this.
MERP = Multiple exit/re-entry permit. This is the right-hand stamp (of the 2 stamps) in the passport, correct?
I would definitely like more information on these differences in rights and obligations.
Let me cut to the chase for you. The quickest way is to buy it under an Indonesian person´s name. You cannot register it and get the STNK and plates unless you have a KITAS or you are Indonesian.
You can buy a used motorbike yourself, but the name of the STNK will remain the previous owner´s. When the STNK needs to be renewed and the yearly tax paid on the bike, you will need the previous owner to sort it out for you. This won´t be easy.
Thanks. Yes it seems that way.
I am equally interested in learning the law, in order to abide by it, benefit from it, teach others, and participate in society here, even if in this case the law does not benefit me.
STNK = Vehicle registration/tax number?
STNK: Surat Tanda Nomor Kendaraan (Vehicle Number Certificate) is valid for five years. The expiration date is inscribed in the license plates. The tax certificate is a separate document which has to be renewed every year with the yearly payment of tax on the vehicle.
So normally if you buy a vehicle "on the road" (which costs more), then the dealer takes care of acquiring the STNK and license plates for you so that you don't have to go to, contact, or interact with any facility (government or otherwise) other than the dealer, correct?
And "off the road" means that you must deal with those things yourself, so you pay a lower price to the dealer, but the vehicle cannot be driven until you do those things, correct?
By the way, the dealer that I have spoken to the most, Astra Honda (aka Jakarta Honda Centre) on Jl. Dewi Sartika (one of at least 3 Honda dealers/shops on this street) claims to be the biggest Honda dealer in Jakarta and maybe the country. They have said:
- Only KITAS holding foreigners can buy a bike "on the road". My Dinas is useless.
- Apparently Dinas holding foreigners can buy a bike "off the road", but that requires a letter from someone. I cannot understand if that someone is the employer or their embassy, perhaps because I think many Dinas holders happen to work for their embassy, so they are the same entity. But I doubt the US Embassy would give me such a letter, so it must be the employer who would give it. But I don't want "off the road"
- Only KITAS holding foreigners can buy a bike "on the road". My Dinas is useless.
Correct. Technically only resident can buy a car/motorbike. Resident=KITAS holder.
- Apparently Dinas holding foreigners can buy a bike "off the road", but that requires a letter from someone.
I believe that "someone" is the Departemen Luar Negeri (http://www.deplu.go.id/?)/foreign ministry. It is them that you should contact, since your Dinas is issued by them and they are responsable for you.
Technically only resident can buy a car/motorbike. Resident=KITAS holder.
I do not understand how I am not a resident. My residence here is legal, and I am not a "visitor", right?
I believe that "someone" is the Departemen Luar Negeri (http://www.deplu.go.id/?)/foreign ministry. It is them that you should contact, since your Dinas is issued by them and they are responsable for you.
None of the letters that the dealer showed me were from an Indonesian entity. They were both from embassies (one US and one Brazil)
Can you explain why a Dinas holder (if that is what the documents that I have are called) is not allowed to purchase a vehicle? Is this a conscious decision to exclude this right from such people? Or is it an oversight or bureaucratic hole?
Someone has told me privately that Dinas holders can purchase a vehicle legally but most people are unaware of this, including the dealer. And so they look at my Dinas, not knowing what it is, and by default say that it cannot be used. Is this the case?
Does anyone have a reference to the relevant laws?
Thanks
Who would be best to contact for help first?
1. An Indonesian lawyer/attorney
2. The Departemen Luar Negeri/foreign ministry
3. My employer
4. The US Embassy
5. Other?
In fact the left-hand stamp on my passport says "Izin Berdiam / Residential Permit". So doesn't this also mean that I am a legal resident of Indonesia?
Can you explain why a Dinas holder (if that is what the documents that I have are called) is not allowed to purchase a vehicle? Is this a conscious decision to exclude this right from such people? Or is it an oversight or bureaucratic hole?
I am just guessing. As a general rule, people staying here on a Dinas or on Dahsuskim visa always have the same problem: since they don't have a KITAS, they are not considered as "resident" while in fact they are often resident! the system has been tailored for KITAS holder, and if you don't fit in the box, then you are gonna have a few headaches.
In the list that you gave:
1. An Indonesian lawyer/attorney
It is gonna cost you money for nothing.
2. The Departemen Luar Negeri/foreign ministry
It is free to ask, but it will mainly depend on who you ask...:(
3. My employer
It could be a good start
4. The US Embassy
Pointless, IMHO, unless you are part of diplomatic corps. Embassies have no authority in Indonesia over Indonesian law... at least for the moment.
5. Other
Don't see who.
To be honest, it may be a lot of headache for not so much. Can't you find an Indonesia who would buy it for you. Ask a surat kuasa (bermeterai) signed from him/her, a copy of his/her KTP (must be a valid one) and keep the BPKB with you and it's done.
Scooter, you are legally residing in Indonesia, that's a fact. I believe that you would just need a letter from Deplu confirming it to be able to buy it. Dealers get taught that the person who purchase the vehicle MUST be Indonesian or KITAS holder. Show a slightly different card and that's a mess, people don't know how to deal with it. To be honest, Dinas holder are a rare breed nowadays. Personally I have limited knowledge about the laws governing it. :(
Thanks again for the help
2. The Departemen Luar Negeri/foreign ministry
It is free to ask, but it will mainly depend on who you ask...:(
I believe that you would just need a letter from Deplu confirming it to be able to buy it.
Do you have a recommendation for how to proceed at the Deplu or what person to ask for?
5. Other
Don't see who.
How about the police?
To be honest, it may be a lot of headache for not so much. Can't you find an Indonesia who would buy it for you.
I understand. I have an Indonesian friend who can but it for me but I want to figure out if it is legal for me to do it myself or if I can do something to make it legal, even if an Indonesian buys it and I don't figure this out for months and I've already gotten the bike.
Correct?:
surat kuasa (bermeterai) = power of attorney/notary with seal
BPKB = vehicle proof of ownership book
BPKB: Buku Pemilikan Kendaraan Bermotor (Motor Vehicle Title of Ownership)...
I agree with Atlantis. Just get an Indonesian to buy it for you, and get it over with and start driving. The less you have to interact with the Indonesian government, the better.
I suggest a first approach to your employer who will probably have encountered a similar situation before.
It actually sounds as if it would be a whole lot easier to get an Indonesian/KITAS holder whom you work with to buy a bike on your behalf. To do so is perfectly legal.
I am already going to have an Indonesian buy the bike for me, but I still want to learn about what is going on.
Would it help to get an SKLD? Can I get an SKLD if I do not have a KITAS?
This page (http://www.expat.or.id/info/docs.html) says it is required and I am breaking the law if I do not have one within 30 days, but perhaps this does not apply to Dinas holders. No one at the office has ever mentioned the SKLD as a requirement, and I don't think any of my co-workers have one.
Is there a specific police office in Jakarta that is best to get the SKLD from?
I ask about the SKLD because one dealer showed me a photocopy of another customer's SKLD. That customer was a foreigner and was allowed to purchase the bike with the SKLD, I believe.
Or would it help to go to the place where you get your SIM/STNK/BPKB? For Jakarta Pusat, I think this is the Kantor Pos Pasar Baru, which is a bit northeast of Monas on Jl. Lapangan Banteng Utara, right?
My employer is basically useless when it comes to these topics.
Would it help to get an SKLD? Can I get an SKLD if I do not have a KITAS?
Theorically, no. Though the article 61 of the UU 9/1992 is not very clear about what "type" of rsident has to report to the police to get a SKLD, the article 19 of the Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 31 tahun 1994 tentang POA specifically excludes you from it. It reads:
Pasal 19
(1) Setiap orang asing yang memperoleh Izin Tinggal Terbatas atau Izin Tinggal Tetap, wajib melapor kepada Kantor Kepolisian Republik Indonesia
ditempat tinggal atau kediamannya dalam jangka waktu 30 (tiga puluh) hari terhitung sejak memperoleh izin tinggal tersebut.
More over the procedure to get a SKLD established, as described in the Petunjuk Teknis Nomor JUKNIS/12/III/1995, requires you to provide photocopies of... your KITAS
it is required and I am breaking the law if I do not have one within 30 days, but perhaps this does not apply to Dinas holders.
As you can read on the link, "Expatriates holding a KITAS card must register with the National Police within 30 days of issuance of their Stay Permit".
As you can read on the link, "Expatriates holding a KITAS card must register with the National Police within 30 days of issuance of their Stay Permit".
I saw that, but since the amount of information available about my immigration and residency status and documents is so little, I feel as if I must question whether everything that applies to KITAS holders does or does not apply to me.
In other words, due to the lack of information, there is no way of knowing whether the author of that page:
1) Wrote KITAS because they did not know about the existence or details of Dinas
2) Wrote KITAS because the sentence applies only to KITAS, but omitted language to explicitly exclude other immigration statues, thus leaving it ambiguous
3) Wrote KITAS, implicitly assuming that Dinas is dealt with as an equivalent
If more details were available on Dinas, I might have been able to establish a pattern and guess as to which of #1-3 were most probable.
Hopefully this thread will serve as at least one repository for future people with similar questions.
Thanks atlantis for the help
In other words, due to the lack of information, there is no way of knowing whether the author of that page:
1) Wrote KITAS because they did not know about the existence or details of Dinas
It can not be this one since there is a paragraph about Dinas in the page, a bit above.
"Service Visa (DINAS)
Service Visas are given to foreign citizens bearing service passports, on assignment to Indonesia for diplomatic purposes. They are working in Indonesia under official government entities such as UN bodies, aid organizations, etc. Visa Dinas are directly handled by the Indonesian government department who employes the expats and they apply direct to the Sekretariat Negara to process the visa. Private agents are not allowed to handle this type of visa"
Note that the last sentence explain you why very few informations are available concerning your visa. It is a relation exclusively in between the holder's organisation and an indonesian ministery.
2) Wrote KITAS because the sentence applies only to KITAS, but omitted language to explicitly exclude other immigration statues, thus leaving it ambiguous
Being the one who wrote or corrected quite a few infos in this page, I believe that my intend was to say that KITAS holder must have a SKLD. Thus excluding VoA holder, Sosbud holder, business visa holder, transit visa holder, Dinas visa holder, Dahsuskim holder...etc. In short, only KITAS holder. :)
Thanks atlantis for the help
You're welcome. :)
It can not be this one since there is a paragraph about Dinas in the page, a bit above.
"Service Visa (DINAS)
Service Visas are given to foreign citizens bearing service passports, on assignment to Indonesia for diplomatic purposes. They are working in Indonesia under official government entities such as UN bodies, aid organizations, etc. Visa Dinas are directly handled by the Indonesian government department who employes the expats and they apply direct to the Sekretariat Negara to process the visa. Private agents are not allowed to handle this type of visa"
Note that the last sentence explain you why very few informations are available concerning your visa. It is a relation exclusively in between the holder's organisation and an indonesian ministery.
Being the one who wrote or corrected quite a few infos in this page, I believe that my intend was to say that KITAS holder must have a SKLD. Thus excluding VoA holder, Sosbud holder, business visa holder, transit visa holder, Dinas visa holder, Dahsuskim holder...etc. In short, only KITAS holder. :)
You're welcome. :)
I was about to ask what a 'Dinas' was...
You say Diplomatic staff amongst others, I'm sure that I read somewhere that Diplomatic staff, eg; Dinas' holders can import luxary cars under a special type of scheme, therefore they must then be able to legally own them, right?
I was about to ask what a 'Dinas' was...
You say Diplomatic staff amongst others, I'm sure that I read somewhere that Diplomatic staff, eg; Dinas' holders can import luxary cars under a special type of scheme, therefore they must then be able to legally own them, right?
I am more than 50% certain that with the existing documents that I have, it is legal for me to purchase a vehicle, however the real problem is that no dealer is aware of this law, and as a result they will not conduct the sale.
It is probably also an issue of "class" or "league" in the sense that I simply want a cheap scooter, while the average foreign diplomat probably wants an expensive automobile, and probably wants to IMPORT it. Perhaps the dealers who do such things are more aware of this law
Here is the (English) documentation from the Foreign Ministry on the rights of diplomats regarding cars:
Link no longer working: http://www.deplu.go.id/?category_id=19 (*Note: In order for the link to actually open the correct page instead of the home page, you will have to click on it twice. Alternatively, use the left side navigation on that site and select "Public Services" and then "Diplomatic Protocoler and Facilities")
This new link has the same information: http://www.deplu.go.id/Pages/ServiceDisplay.aspx?IDP=9&IDP2=5&Name=DiplomaticFacilities&l=en
it is legal for me to purchase a vehicle, however the real problem is that no dealer is aware of this law, and as a result they will not conduct the sale.
I think you are spot on here.
Erm... I clicked on the link and I found an article on poco-poco and dangdut in Germany... :eek::confused::)
Dangdut dan Poco-poco Hangatkan Kota Göttingen, Jerman
Note that I clicked only once on the link... Though when I clicked twice I found the infos.... very funny.
Browsing the link gives you the following infos:
Procedure for Local Purchase of a Car
As in the case of car importation, a request for preliminary approval is conveyed to the Directorate of Diplomatic Facilities. If a preliminary approval is granted, the mission shall send another with the following information:
a. Name, occupation and arrival date of the application in Indonesia
b. Number, type and purchase price of the car
c. Car Identification Number
d. Terms of order
e. Name and address of the vendor
The following shall be attached to the note:
a. A filed out PP. 8/57 form as amended by the Minister of Finance’s Decision No. 9OIKMK- 04/2002 dated 12 March 2002, which is endorsed by the Ambassador
b. Car order letter from the agent
Though it is for diplomats, it may be the same for all Dinas holder? Just wondering...
Yes I saw that one. I just don't know how to translate it into non-diplomats.
The first step seems to be to convey some sort of approval request to the "Directorate of Diplomatic Facilities". Is that an Indonesian government person or someone from my employer? Seems like an Indonesian person, because the next step is to send another letter to that person. Doesn't sound like an interaction between employer and employee.
Why would I need to involve my employer or the government for pre-approval in the specifics on the purchase of a personal vehicle with personal funds?
Perhaps it's because they need to track the specifics of diplomatic vehicles because they are exempt from import tax. But are they also exempt from the yearly vehicle tax that even domestic vehicles pay? In the US, we call this "excise tax", and it is usually paid yearly to the city/town in which you live.
If non-imported vehicles owned by diplomats are also exempt from the excise tax, then I can see why there has to be this special process.
Today the Toyota (car) dealer on Sudirman showed me photocopies of documents from a foreigner who had purchased a car there using the exact same immigration/residency documents that I have. This person was also not a diplomat/embassy employee, but had the same Dinas visa and card that I have.
In addition they required a letter from her employer that was just a basic proof of employment, I believe.
The purchase was personal, not tax exempt, and it was an "on the road" purchase. And I am pretty sure the car was domestically made and not imported.
The legal side is all well and good but staying alive is another thing.
I've tripped off to Purwokerto today to see a couple of mates and explore some business.
I set off at 5.30am in the dark and rain. That can be a real sod as the other vehicles that actually have and use lights all have them way too high. That blinds you big style.
By the time I got the first hour behind be and to a place called Banjarnegara, I saw my first accident of the day.
Two kids on their way to school were overtaken by an idiot without helmet or a clue. He them promptly turned left straight in from of them. No guesses as to what happened. No one fell off so no injuries but bit of plastic all over the shant.
other than the odd car, lorry and bus overtaking while I was travelling the other way, not much more happened on the way there.
The return journey saw what happens when one overtakes on the wrong side and the others don't manage to get out of the prat's way.
I didn't see who got hurt and how many of them but two bikes were laid down with smashed in front ends and lots of coppers were hanging around.
Other then that, just the usual crop of cretins on the wrong side of the road for no good reason.
One van clipped his mirror on my helmet as I was going round a right hander. That's closer than I like.
By the time i returned to wonosobo the police were sweeping. Stopped loads without the correct paperwork and they were all lined up waiting to sign the forms and go to court.
No sign of anyone taking 'peace money' in case anyone asks. :)
Atlantis (or anyone), do you have a copy of the law that grants KITAS holders the right to own and register a motorbike (or car)?
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