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Can someone help briefly tell me what the upcoming elections are all about.
Given that I work in the field of elections, I could give you a pretty complete snapshot, but not in 15 words or less.
Can someone help briefly tell me what the upcoming elections are all about.
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Easy mite, it's who can pay the most money, to buy the most number of votes, whether it's cash payments to individual voters, or specific groups who will vote as they are told to.
This includes all the money spent on the propaganda 'encouraging' people to believe that they will personally benefit by voting for them.
After getting elected, they initially focus upon making back the money they outlaid and after that on making a profit!
Oh I almost forgot, the 'perks' of Office ;}
Cynical Dave
Given that I work in the field of elections, I could give you a pretty complete snapshot, but not in 15 words or less.
ahhhhhh, so that's why you are as cynical as me mite :}
Given that I work in the field of elections, I could give you a pretty complete snapshot, but not in 15 words or less.
Do it in more than 15 words then, if you don't mind. I would be interested to read your input about it.
I will do it in much more than 15 words (sorry if it is long):o
Indonesian are gonna be voting to renew the totality of MPR (Majelis Permusyawaratan Rakyat (http://www.mpr.go.id/)) which is a bicameral legislature. The first chamber (DPR-RI) has 550 members (it will be brought to 560 with next month election) elected for 5 years by proportional representation while the second chamber (DPD-RI) is composed by 4 members elected in each province, also elected for 5 years, and is the Regional Representatives Council.
The DPD (http://www.dpd.go.id/) deals with bills related on regional autonomy, relations in between central and local governments (kota/kabupaten/propinsi), formation or expansion of regions, the management of local natural or economic ressources and bills related to the financial balance in between the centre and the regions. They also have their word to say on any regional bill proposed by the DPR-RI.
The DPR-RI (http://www.dpr.go.id/) is the lower house and has three main functions which are legifering, budgeting and overseeing the action of the government.
The DPR-RI draws and votes laws (undang-undang), approves government regulations and proposals from DPD related to regional issues. In accordance with the President, they produce the annual budget and finally they have the right to question the President and the Ministers.
The DPR-RI is divided in 11 commissions (Komisi) with different areas of responsability and each commission has to work on the bills related to their area of responsability which will later be discussed in plenary session. The comissions are:.
Komisi I: Defense, intelligence/information and foreign affairs.
Komisi II: Domestic affairs, regional autonomy, state apparatus and agrarian affairs.
Komisi III: Legal affairs and laws, human rights and security
Komisi IV: Agriculture, maritime affairs, fishing industries and food
Komisi V: Transport, Telkom, public works, public housing, village development
Komis VI: Trade, industry, investment, small and medium businesses and public companies
Komii VII: Energy, natural mineral resources, research and technology, environment
Komisi VIII: Religion, social affairs, women rights
Komisi IX: Demographic affairs, health, manpower and transmigration
Komisi X: Education, youth affairs, sports, tourism, art and culture
Komisi XI: Finance, national development planning, banking institutions.
The DPR-RI is presided by Agung Laksono, a Golkar member. Partai Golkar (http://pusat.golkar.or.id/ver2.0/dinamis/) is the most represented political party at the moment, followed by Ibu Megawati's political party (PDI-P (http://www.pdi-perjuangan.or.id/))
Prior to 2004, the MPR was electing the President of Indonesia. It is not the case anymore, and Pak SBY was the first President elected by the people of Indonesia themselves.
The presidential election will be held on July 2009.
Oh sorry mite, I didn't realise it was a serious question, looking for serious replies, I thought this was the Expat forum ;}
Note, anyone who REALY knew Cynical Dave, and not just the'persona projected', knows that he actually enjoys Political debate, sometimes they have trouble shutting him up, can you believe that? ;}
Do it in more than 15 words then, if you don't mind. I would be interested to read your input about it.
I will do it in much more than 15 words (sorry if it is long):o
Indonesian are gonna be voting to renew the totality of MPR (Majelis Permusyawaratan Rakyat (http://www.mpr.go.id/)) which is a bicameral legislature. The first chamber (DPR-RI) has 550 members (it will be brought to 560 with next month election) elected for 5 years by proportional representation while the second chamber (DPD-RI) is composed by 4 members elected in each province, also elected for 5 years, and is the Regional Representatives Council.
The DPD-RI (http://www.dpd.go.id/dpd.go.id/) deals with bills related on regional autonomy, relations in between central and local governments (kota/kabupaten/propinsi), formation or expansion of regions, the management of local natural or economic ressources and bills related to the financial balance in between the centre and the regions. They also have their word to say on any regional bill proposed by the DPR-RI.
The DPR-RI (http://www.dpr.go.id/) is the lower house and has three main functions which are legifering, budgeting and overseeing the action of the government.
The DPR-RI draws and votes laws (undang-undang), approves government regulations and proposals from DPR-D related to regional issues. In accordance with the President, they produce the annual budget and finally they have the right to question the President and the Ministers.
The DPR-RI is divided in 11 commissions (Komisi) with different areas of responsability and each commission has to work on the bills related to their area of responsability which will later be discussed in plenary session. The comissions are:.
Komisi I: Defense, intelligence/information and foreign affairs.
Komisi II: Domestic affairs, regional autonomy, state apparatus and agrarian affairs.
Komisi III: Legal affairs and laws, human rights and security
Komisi IV: Agriculture, maritime affairs, fishing industries and food
Komisi V: Transport, Telkom, public works, public housing, village development
Komis VI: Trade, industry, investment, small and medium businesses and public companies
Komii VII: Energy, natural mineral resources, research and technology, environment
Komisi VIII: Religion, social affairs, women rights
Komisi IX: Demographic affairs, health, manpower and transmigration
Komisi X: Education, youth affairs, sports, tourism, art and culture
Komisi XI: Finance, national development planning, banking institutions.
The DPR-RI is presided by Agung Laksono, a Golkar member. Partai Golkar (http://pusat.golkar.or.id/ver2.0/dinamis/) is the most represented political party at the moment, followed by Ibu Megawati's political party (PDI-P (http://www.pdi-perjuangan.or.id/))
Prior to 2004, the MPR was electing the President of Indonesia. It is not the case anymore, and Pak SBY was the first President elected by the people of Indonesia themselves.
The presidential election will be held on July 2009.
Hats off to you Atlantis. You are a walking encyclopedia.
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Easy mite, it's who can pay the most money, to buy the most number of votes, whether it's cash payments to individual voters, or specific groups who will vote as they are told to.
This includes all the money spent on the propaganda 'encouraging' people to believe that they will personally benefit by voting for them.
After getting elected, they initially focus upon making back the money they outlaid and after that on making a profit!
Oh I almost forgot, the 'perks' of Office ;}
Cynical Dave
What are the perks?
Indonesian are gonna be voting to renew the totality of MPR (Majelis Permusyawaratan Rakyat (http://www.mpr.go.id/)) which is a bicameral legislature. The first chamber (DPR-RI) has 550 members (it will be brought to 560 with next month election) elected for 5 years by proportional representation while the second chamber (DPR-D) is composed by 4 members elected in each province, and is the Regional Representatives Council...
I'll just add to Atlantis' summary that the electoral system for the DPR is based on 77 electoral districts, each one electing between three and ten representatives, based on an open-candidate list, with a modified Hare Quota electoral formula and a national threshold of 2.5%. "Proportional representation" has so many possible implementations that the terms, in and by itself, is hardly meaningfull.
The DPD is a paper tiger. The real power lies with the DPR.
Can someone help briefly tell me what the upcoming elections are all about.
Indonesians cash in on pre-election sweeteners
* Tom Allard, Jakarta
* March 14, 2009
Ballot papers in some districts of Jakarta are almost a metre wide due to the high number of candidates running.
Ballot papers in some districts of Jakarta are almost a metre wide due to the high number of candidates running. Photo: AFP
FOR many Indonesian villagers, the first sign that an election is around the corner are the posters, colourful flags and bunting affixed to every structure in their neighbourhood.
The second is a visit from a party official offering money, food and other benefits in exchange for their votes.
For the family of Sumarna and Hani, a young couple from Cikalong Kulon village in West Java, it was an offer of free health insurance that swayed them to sign up for Gerindra, the party of former Suharto-era general Prabowo Subianto.
"Hani told me that her uncle had just become a Gerindra member. Then she took me to meet her uncle who told me if we were Gerindra members our health would be covered by health insurance," said Sumarna, who like many Indonesians goes by one name.
"So I gave them a copy of my identity card and now I'm a member. That's it."
Gerindra signed up 15 members of the family, giving each a T-shirt and 5000 rupiah (70 Australian cents) as well for their support.
It's a strategy that explains how Prabowo's fledgling party has managed to recruit 11 million members in just a year.
But it also points to a wider phenomenon in Indonesia — money politics that extends from small hand-outs to poor villagers to a slew of bribery and corruption scandals that have hit the national legislature.
In nearby Cisarandi village, it's the PKS, the Islamic party that prides itself on its anti-corruption credentials, that has been handing out the goodies.
In this case, bags of rice and sugar have been handed out at a quarter of the cost an Indonesian would pay at the market.
From Monday, the election campaign formally begins for Indonesia's house of representatives ahead of polling day on April 9. It is a huge exercise in democracy, Indonesia-style.
Over 170 million voters will choose from almost 12,000 candidates from 38 political parties contesting 560 seats. Ballot papers in some districts are almost a metre wide due to the number of candidates.
The house of representatives, or Dewan Perwakilan Rakyat, is an important law-making body but the election results will also have a critical bearing on an even bigger race to be held later in the year, the presidency.
Up to a quarter of Indonesia's voters are undecided, which is why the campaign — and the doling out of largesse by parties — is so important.
And what concerns anti-corruption advocates is that the DPR, at the apex of Indonesia's money politics, will remain populated by members angling for their own monetary interests rather than those of the public they serve.
Kevin O'Rourke, the Jakarta-based political analyst and author of the Reformasi newsletter, sees the money politics in Indonesia as one aspect of the "patronage legacy" from the long dictatorship of Suharto that ended barely a decade ago.
Still, he said, Indonesia was improving. While corrupt party bosses have demanded payment from anyone wishing to become an endorsed candidate in the past, the practice is not as common now.
An electoral law change means voters can choose individuals rather than just a party and its predetermined list of candidates. That means politicians in the new legislature should be more accountable to voters, O'Rourke argued.
However, Kacung Maridjan, a political analyst of the Airlangga University, sees it differently.
He told the Jakarta Post that the new system meant aspiring politicians were turning their attention from bribing party bosses to get a prime spot on the list of candidates and now directly "buy" as many votes as possible from constituents.
Frenky Simanjuntak, manager of policy and research at Transparency International, is not optimistic the corruption culture in the DPR will change.
"The reality is here that many people who get involved in politics do it because they consider it a job, a way to make money," he said. "They don't have any policy vision or agenda and that creates a problem."
With KARUNI ROMPIES
What are the perks?
'Perks'..
'accoutrements of power. These include company cars and handphones, golf club memberships, nice houses and vacations, and, of course, money.' etc, etc..
Taken from the 'Employee Motivation link' :}
modcincinapi
14-03-09, 08:29
Election =
70% wasting money
20% speaking rubbish
5% showing your best picture
5% whatever
:} sorry if it's too sarcastic summary
Election =
70% wasting money
20% speaking rubbish
5% showing your best picture
5% whatever
:} sorry if it's too sarcastic summary
Are you an Indonesian?
IMHO campaign financing is certainly one of the weakest points in the political system in Indonesia. Unlike in many western countries, the Indonesian candidates are not financed by their "supporting" party and must finance by themselves their own campaign. You have to realise that these candidates have to pay for their expenses for travel, for meetings and rallies where gifts must be given to the hundreds who attend, for advertising (spanduk/banner, T-shirts, portrait, bandera...etc). This money come from their pocket, but it's not all: they also have to pay the party that they represent just to be "selected" to rn for a seat! We are talking of hundreds of millions or even billions of rupiah in many cases, even for a simple DPR-D seat.
Therefore, lawmakers will for sure take bribes to recoup the money "invested" to gain the seat in the House.
It is becoming even worst with a new legislation authorising larger "donations" from private parties and companies. These donations, given to individual candidates don't even have to be reported to the KPU (General Elections Commission) if you take a close look at the campaign finance rules (only the one madeto the Party itself must be reported)!!! The system in its whole pushes to be corrupt and to accept/demand envelops and most of the issues of corruption in the Legislative point to the issue of party and campaign financing.
simarkbotak
15-03-09, 18:48
It is becoming even worst with a new legislation authorising larger "donations" from private parties and companies. These donations, given to individual candidates don't even have to be reported to the KPU (General Elections Commission) if you take a close look at the campaign finance rules (only the one madeto the Party itself must be reported)!!! The system in its whole pushes to be corrupt and to accept/demand envelops and most of the issues of corruption in the Legislative point to the issue of party and campaign financing.
I wonder who made this legislation.. ;)
waarmstrong
15-03-09, 19:26
IMHO campaign financing is certainly one of the weakest points in the political system in Indonesia.
Campaign financing is more than a weak link. As you go on to point out in your narrative, it is better described as a root cause of corruption. But its not just an Indonesian problem. Campaign financing or rather the lack of transparency and the legal fiction that donations are not tied to expectations, is a US problem, as well. The vast amounts of money funneled to Congress as campaign donations, explains the lack of banking oversight, the failure of the US -- almost exclusively among Western democracies -- to provide comprehensive health care to its citizens, and the obscene number of "earmarks" (essentially political payoffs) in the budget passed a few days ago. These are just 3 examples of how the US system is corrupted at the outset. Unfortunately many Americans refuse to see a spade for what it is. Indonesians are ahead of the US in one respect. At least they seem to realize that their legislators are corrupt.
Hats off to you Atlantis. You are a walking encyclopedia.
Or is that a walking Wikipedia?
flekslianot
16-03-09, 02:40
It Seems still difficult to predict the winner for the upcoming election.:)
modcincinapi
16-03-09, 08:44
Are you an Indonesian?
Saya orang Indonesia asli. :P
and Yes, Election is somehow related to corruption.
Atlantis seems to be an intelligent person.
Are you also a candidate in the coming election?
I'll choose for you for sure :p
Are you also a candidate in the coming election? I'll choose for you for sure :p
If one day I become indonesian, and there is good chances that I will, I will definitively be involved in politics at a local level, here, in Manado.
Helping the community to improve is something that one MUST do, IMHO, if one has the knowledge and the capacity to help.
If one day I become indonesian, and there is good chances that I will, I will definitively be involved in politics at a local level, here, in Manado.
Helping the community to improve is something that one MUST do, IMHO, if one has the knowledge and the capacity to help.
i don't really believe with government... i've decided not to vote this time
i don't really believe with government... i've decided not to vote this time
To be honest, if I look at the past 10 years, I understand you...:( Some things have improved, but so slowly.
just found this link from friend :
http://janganbikinmalu2009.com/web/galeri.php
it's funny but ironic :-|
Some are indeed hilarious... :) I am gonna forward them a couple to add to the collection. :cool:
Same shit different shovel!
Here is a rather interesting story to illustrate the probity of some of the calon DPR-RI or DPR-D in raising dunds to campaign.
It was published about a month ago:
In bahasa Indonesia (http://www.korantempo.com/korantempo/koran/2009/02/26/Nusa/krn.20090226.157995.id.html)
In English (http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/02/25/ppi-candidates-nabbed-smuggling-dope-election-funds-police.html)
Here is a rather interesting story to illustrate the probity of some of the calon DPR-RI or DPR-D in raising dunds to campaign.
It was published about a month ago:
In bahasa Indonesia (http://www.korantempo.com/korantempo/koran/2009/02/26/Nusa/krn.20090226.157995.id.html)
In English (http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/02/25/ppi-candidates-nabbed-smuggling-dope-election-funds-police.html)
everyone knows that DPR like to fall a sleep during the meeting...
another source :
http://www.kabarinews.com/article.cfm?articleID=32766
http://warnadunia.com/rahasia-kenapa-banyak-yang-ingin-jadi-anggota-dpr/
Thanks to share the links c3rd1k... The pics are good fun to watch after reading the article... It helps to digest the figures! :eek:
I do not want to imagine how much they are making including the "envelops"...
Thanks to share the links c3rd1k... The pics are good fun to watch after reading the article... It helps to digest the figures! :eek:
I do not want to imagine how much they are making including the "envelops"...
my pleasure sir! :)
Apparently, the problems that happened in the past haven't been solved yet... I should go and check if they included me this year again.:cool:
Here is an article from The Jakarta Globe:
Beyond the Call of Civic Duty: Illegal Migrant Voted Often
Jember, East Java. A Bangladeshi national who has been living in Indonesia for years without the required papers — and had even voted in past Indonesian general elections — was arrested on Tuesday by local immigration officers.
Mohammad Tobi, 32, voted in several elections in Jember district, East Java Province, because his name was always on the permanent voter list despite the fact that he was a foreigner living in Indonesia illegally.
“I have been living in Jember since 2002, and have participated in several elections in Jember, such as the 2004 general elections, the district head election in 2005 and the East Java gubernatorial election in 2008,” Tobi said after he was placed under arrest by immigration officers in Jember.
He said he had obtained an Indonesian identity card, or KTP, from the Gebang village administration in Patrang subdistrict in 2002.
Ever since, he explained, he has taken part in the presidential and regional head elections in Jember.
“In the 2004 presidential poll, I voted for Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono,” he said.
Tobi said that he would also vote in next month’s elections if he was invited.
Meanwhile, the head of the Jember Immigration Office, Jon Rais, said that Tobi was arrested at his home in Gebang after the authorities received a tip from local residents.
Tobi was arrested because he was unable to produce the documents that foreigners are required to possess, Rais said. He is to be deported to his home country of Bangladesh.
Tobi is married to a local woman, identified as Evi Yunita, 30, who was also questioned by the immigration officers.
Rais said that he suspected the names of several foreigners being detained by his office might also be found on voter lists since they all had KTPs.
“Two foreigners that we arrested before have KTPs,” he said. “They might also be included on voter lists.”
From January through March of this year, the Jember immigration office has detained four foreign nationals, two of whom possessed Indonesian identity cards.
Hanan Kukuh Ratmono of the Jember General Elections Commission, or KPUD, said that he was not aware of any foreigner being listed as an eligible voter for the upcoming polls.
Indonesia is set to hold nationwide legislative elections on April 9, followed by a presidential election on July 8
If I could only share with you the extent of the problems with the voter lists! I provide technical support to the electoral administration bodies. Based on a quantitative analysis, we highlighted profound problems with the voter lists as early as May of last year. No one paid attention or did anything about it. It's now become a combination of a blame game and burying the head in the sand. With less than three weeks left till the elections and with the profound problems with the voter lists, it is literally now too late to fix things.
I believe you witout any doubt. From where I seat, it looks that this coming elections could bring much more troubles and has more weak points than the one 5 years ago. It indeed offers a very poor sight of what democracy is. :(
The blame game is just starting, as you noticed it in your post and whoever win the election in April and July, you can be sure that there will have a lot of contestation of the results and great potential for troubles in the archipelago... No need to add that the crisis may help to fuel this...
Anyway, I would be glad to meet you one day Mauricio and talk about what you are doing in Indonesia. Must be very interesting, IMHO.:cool:
I think we are in for a rough ride over the next few weeks and months. But a few of us knew that as early as last year...
Sure, I'd love to come out to Bumi Minahasa one of these days. I haven't been there since 2004, though I was in neighboring Gorontalo last year...
Sure, I'd love to come out to Bumi Minahasa one of these days. I haven't been there since 2004, though I was in neighboring Gorontalo last year...
Off topic:
You are welcome to visit then. I'll show you places where you could escape the "oppressive heat". ;)
Gorontalo is a world apart from Manado, though it is very close. You may have feel the differences while you were staying there if you remenber a bit of Manado and manadonese people.
Off topic: Sometime in 2010 I'd like to take my show on the road and put the truck on a boat to Makassar and drive to Manado...
Still Off Topic: Wooow... You are gonna have a lot of fun. It promises us some cool pics here on the forum ;) I did part of the road and it is a wonderful scenery at all time.
If I could only share with you the extent of the problems with the voter lists! I provide technical support to the electoral administration bodies. Based on a quantitative analysis, we highlighted profound problems with the voter lists as early as May of last year. No one paid attention or did anything about it. It's now become a combination of a blame game and burying the head in the sand. With less than three weeks left till the elections and with the profound problems with the voter lists, it is literally now too late to fix things.
M, your post suggests that confidentiality is critical within your orginisation and whilst I understand the reasons for that, what a great opportunity for someone to anonomously expose/leak the 'shortcomings' of Indonesian Democracy!
Most of the stuff that we uncovered in mid-2008 has now come to light and is known by many. The tragic part is that nothing was done back then when there was still time, and that very little can be done now.
On the Tour de Sulawesi, I first have to figure out how to get the truck to Makassar. I figure I can put in on a boat in Surabaya. What do you think?
On the Tour de Sulawesi, I first have to figure out how to get the truck to Makassar. I figure I can put in on a boat in Surabaya. What do you think?
It sounds like your best option if you want to go from South to North. You shoul be able to ship the truck back from Bitung to Surabaya.
If it can helps here is a link I found a few months ago when I was looking for shipments from Indonesia to Europe. It concerns Tanjung Perak (http://www.surabaya.go.id/transportasi.php?page=tanjung_perak)'s seaport in Surabaya and you will find a good list of phone numbers and general infos on the harbour activities
2009 Elections Snapshot
Continuing challenges to the voter registry
25 March 2008
One of the primary objectives of an election administration body is to ensure equitable enfranchisement opportunities for all voting age citizens through their inclusion in the voter registry. The voter registry is in essence the foundation document for election administration. It determines which citizens qualify to vote in the elections by fulfilling residency or age requirements, but also, for example, which citizens may participate as candidates. The election administration, therefore, is tasked with the critical role of ensuring that the voter registry is well managed, well understood and completed in a transparent manner open to public observation. Absent these conditions, the voter registry is likely to be open to question and could damage the overall integrity and public confidence in the electoral process.
The Law on Legislative Elections (Law No. 10/2008) requires that the KPU develop the nation-wide voter lists on the basis of Indonesia’s national population registry. According to the Law, the basis for the voter lists must be the DP4, an extract of this population registry managed by the Ministry of Home Affairs. However, in reality the process for compiling the country’s voter registry for the 2009 national elections began, not on 5 April 2008 when the Ministry of Home Affairs turned over the DP4 to KPU, but rather in 2005 when KPUDs throughout the country began developing voter lists to conduct Pilkada elections. These lists previously used during Pilkada elections are the basis for the final voter list (DPT) in many provinces. In other cases, following the legal requirement in the Law KPUDs developed the DPT to be used in the 2009 elections on the basis of the DP4 registrant data. Quantitative analysis of several DP4 data sets revealed widespread inaccuracies and gaps in the overall quality of this data.
Slow disbursement of funds, untimely renewal of KPUD commissions, and delayed inauguration of local executive boards (PPS and PPK), coupled with overly rigid provisions and schedules in Law No. 10, resulted in a poorly performing voter registry update process that proved incapable of transforming the DP4 data into the temporary voter lists (DPS) and ultimately into the final voters lists (DPT).
DPT Accuracy
The accuracy and reach of the voter registry cannot be known in the absence of i.) a comprehensive quantitative analysis of the voter lists compiled across the country’s 471 kabupaten and ii.) accurate, up-to-date population data. In the absence of a rigorous quantitative analysis, it is impossible to determine, objectively and with any degree of numerical certainty, which voter lists are accurate and complete and which are not.
Given the sheer size of the DPT, about 171 million records, it is impossible to verify the accuracy and reach of the DPT manually without this quantitative analysis. The absence of effective central guidance to KPUD and of national standards has led to a DPT that lacks uniformity in coding, form and electronic format across the country. This constitutes a serious deviation from election administration norms that seek to ensure standards of data collection and data management. This now hampers any efforts to analyze and fix the DPT in a rigorous manner.
The continuing challenges and problems in finalizing the voter registry are due to several factors that have accumulated over a period of years. Among these factors are:
The DPR decision that entrusted the task of developing the basis of the DPS, the DP4, through a untested and unproven national population database system;
Poor performance in the collection and management of the DP4 data;
An electoral law with an overly rigid or unrealistic provisions and timelines for the developing of the voter registry
Lack of coordination, uniformity and central oversight in the development of the Pilkada voter lists
Poor planning, oversight and uniform implementation among KPUD of the process for developing the DPT
Relative lack of political party interest and capacity in technical analysis of the voter registry.
Delayed and inadequate voter education and public information
Taken together, these facts point to:
A DPT that is deficient in form and in content;
An increased likelihood for post-election conflict and challenges to the results of the election
The urgent need to remediate the voter registry in the immediate term.
The desirability of re-examining the model, legal framework and structures for electoral administration
How do we move forward?
With less three weeks before election day, it is now virtually impossible, from an operational perspective, to comprehensively analyze and fix the DPT. The varied nature of the problems with the DPT is not exclusively the making of the election administration. In all fairness, other government institutions such as the Ministry of Home Affairs and the DPR share responsibility. All these institutions ought to explain publicly the nature and extent of the problems for the sake of transparency and accountability.
In anticipation for a conflict-prone results tabulation and certification process, KPU also needs to take stock of the DPT and, for example, determine which data set, DP4 or Pilkada elections lists, were used as the basis for the DPT in each one of the 471 kabupaten. This can assist in pinpointing potentially problematic areas based on previous Pilkada and on the basis of the limited quantitative analysis performed on the DP4. This inventory can also assist the Constitutional Court in assessing the merit of challenges to the results based on claims of missing or duplicate voters, “phantom voters” and other inaccuracies in the DPT.
As a matter of great urgency, KPU HQ ought to conduct a rigorous, quantitative diagnostic of the DPT immediately. This will assist in fixing the voter lists in preparation for the presidential elections and allay additional accusations of bias or incompetence.
KPU HQ ought to strengthen KPU HQ structures and communication with KPUD so as to exercise appropriate oversight and coordination over the voter lists and efforts to fix the DPT. The absence of a tasked with the daily and continuous responsibility to maintain communication with, elicit information from and provide guidance to the KPUDs with regards to the DPT and voter registration constitutes a grave breach in planning and operational structures. KPU, as the organization responsible for national elections, has an obligation and an interest in guiding and managing KPUD planning and operations. This recommendation follows common practice in international electoral administration.
radit_bezit
27-03-09, 01:58
AH that election ... The bribery will be coming after the time we should elect the president ..
Last election, my village got the offers 50 rebu per person to choose one of the "calon" president ... Lets see what we will get this time ...
People are focused on the actions and behavior of political parties while relatively little attention is paid to the institutions of the state and the technical planning and implementation of the elections. One of the functions of the state, any state, is to provide services to its citizens. Make no mistake; in a representative democracy there can hardly be a more fundamental service provided by the state than the conduct of elections (and the taking of a census).
One thing for sure if the ppor in Indonesia or anyone else for that matter are hoodwinked by Mr Kindness and caring Probowo then Indonnesia is in for a lot of trouble pain and suffering an probably an even nastier rehash of the old KOPASUS days of murder and missing family members.
This guy was the master assasin for Soeharto and is still in the circle and if elected president will BE the circle.
He is responsible for the murder of more Indonesians and East Timorese than any other single entity.
Be very afraid Indonesia be very afraid of this wolf in the lambs clothing.
When will Indonesians learn that they can control their countries destiny only when they stop allowing the military to retire into politics.
Forget the setup of government bodies ie. MPR, DPR etc etc if Probowo wins the election it will be DENPOM, BRIMOB and KOPASUS for the Indonesian people.
simarkbotak
01-04-09, 15:14
Unfortunately IMHO, Indonesia does need a strong hand.
Not that I support it.
I also think that it does... but not the hand of Prabowo. A clean hand is requested for the job.:cool:
The scariest part about this election is that most Indonesians don't have a clue how the voting process works. They are not taught about it in school and they have very little chance to learn about it outside of school. My wife and all her family cannot explain the process to me and there were at least 4 S1s in the room when i asked. That is a sad state. The positive thing i can see about this lack of knowledge is that people vote from their hearts. And here in Makasar that means most of them want SBY to win because they are jealous of Kalla and all his money. Most likely they will take Kalla's money and then vote SBY. If they were smart they would rub in Kalla's nose after.
Off topic: Mauricio take the ferry from Surabaya to Makasar and then on the way north swing by Toraja and pay us a visit.
Reasons for poor knowledge and understanding of the electoral system and voting process:
1. Overly complicated seat allocation process inacted by the DPR.
2. The electoral system was changed with regards to 2004
3. Very poor civic education/voter education
4. Low educational, particularly numeracy, levels
5. Little real debate and no consultation in the drafting and approval of the electoral law.
Heck, many Jakarta-based elites, law- and policy-makers would be hard pressed to understand, let alone explain the electoral system.
That's the plan. Load the "little black truck" in Surabaya and head north from there. I'll be looking to you for out-of-the way 4WD vehicle tracks...
I spent my day, yesterday, in between TPS and television (quick count). To be really honest, out of 5 TPS, including "mine", I could not list the number of irregularities which would have cancelled the results of each of the TPS I visited, if it would happen in my native country. Starting from:
- No KTP asked to the voters to check their ID :eek: My wife, my MIL and my in-laws all voted in different TPS. In none, they were asked to prove their identity!
- More than 1 person in the "bilik" (sorry, don't no the english name), sometimes with no reason.
- Party activists actively "convincing" voters who they should vote for, while voters where "queuing" outside of the TPS, waiting to be called.
- Voters not putting themselves their vote in the ballots but remitting it to the assistant. :eek:
- "home made" bilik where anyone can see who the voter is choosing. In one TPS with only 5 bilik for 350 voters they had to quickly make 2 more biliks out of triplex found on the spot! The problem is that they oriented it in a way that anyone could see the choice of the voter!
- No record of KTP number, voting card (anyway, none of the people I saw voting had any!?) or even a signature of the voter on any registering book! If there is a further report of violation, no one can proof who has really voted. :eek:
Just to give a few examples...:(
[quote=Mauricio;23023]Reasons for poor knowledge and understanding of the electoral system and voting process:
1. Overly complicated seat allocation process inacted by the DPR.
2. The electoral system was changed with regards to 2004
3. Very poor civic education/voter education
4. Low educational, particularly numeracy, levels
5. Little real debate and no consultation in the drafting and approval of the electoral law.
Heck, many Jakarta-based elites, law- and policy-makers would be hard pressed to understand, let alone explain the electoral system.
Seems to me that this suits, even if by default and not purposely engineered, to keep the status quo...
omdafyd that really does seem to run true.
IF we keep it complicated enough people wont give a hoot and just let the river flow.
Sometimes i think Indo politicians could promise to make all the rivers flow uphill and the people would buy it hook line and sinker.
OFF topic 4x4 road are what Toraja is all about. I Never thought I would get my panther up a down some of the roads it has gone on. And those were the nice roads.
Are you aware that many Indonesians, co-incidentally Chinese, were unable to vote? Due to some unexplained reason they do not have voting cards and are not registered for voting!! Around the complex where I stay alone thee are more than 500 people who have not been able to vote. So strange!!
Voting cards (kartu pemilih)were not required for voting on April 9.
radit_bezit
14-04-09, 15:35
- No KTP asked to the voters to check their ID My wife, my MIL and my in-laws all voted in different TPS. In none, they were asked to prove their identity!
- More than 1 person in the "bilik" (sorry, don't no the english name), sometimes with no reason.
- Party activists actively "convincing" voters who they should vote for, while voters where "queuing" outside of the TPS, waiting to be called.
- Voters not putting themselves their vote in the ballots but remitting it to the assistant.
- "home made" bilik where anyone can see who the voter is choosing. In one TPS with only 5 bilik for 350 voters they had to quickly make 2 more biliks out of triplex found on the spot! The problem is that they oriented it in a way that anyone could see the choice of the voter!
- No record of KTP number, voting card (anyway, none of the people I saw voting had any!?) or even a signature of the voter on any registering book! If there is a further report of violation, no one can proof who has really voted. :eek:
Just to give a few examples...:(
Yah ... that's confuse me really ...
1. i don't have any KTP yesterday since i lost it again, but they don't check it ... and i can vote freely
2. and the caleg, they don't announce it very well, so getting so confuse about which one i should choose from those huge paper ...
3. even if I am happy that Demokrat is winning, but i am not very happy to heard that Roy Suryo become one caleg of Democrat ... what the heck. If he is being caleg ... i wont vote him ... :(
4. I am searching of the calegs name in the website ... but apparently there is no source at all, so for the one like me who rarely watch movies and read newspaper, i am really no idea about the caleg ...
I believe that the official results should be given by April 20th, if I am not wrong. By then, you should have an official list of what the new DPR will be. Note that the current DPR will stay in office untill September or October this year I think.
KPU has 30 days from the day of the election to compile national results on the basis of the C1 forms from each one of the approximately half a million TPS throughout the country. KPU has till May 9 to do this. Parties then have a few days to challenge the results and the Constitutional Court has about ten days to certify the results. Only after the certification of results does seat allocation and seat assignment take place. End of May is when you will have an official list of the DPR.
Thanks Mauricio. I stand up corrected. I mixed up with the dates... The April 20th date was the initial goal/target set by the KPU itself... What a laugh. they expected at first to be able to count the whole thing in just 12 days...
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