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In terms of WTFness, China is a hard act to follow.
Man Stabbed by Bus Driver, CCTV FootageThe man said he didn't have small change and wanted to pay 5RMB or 7000Rp and take 3RMB or 4300Rp back from other passengers when they paid the fare (the bus fare is 2RMB or 2800Rp). The driver refused. Then he said he was a police officer (he showed his ID to the driver) and wanted a free ride. The driver refused again. The man wanted to check the driver's license but the driver refused, too.... They argued and then began to fight each other. The driver pulled out a knife and stabbed the man...
Here is the Video Link (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c8c_1331618215) for this Classic WTF moment
One should know that the bus was not empty, as there were passengers who I suppose where all thinking "WTF?", or maybe not.
Is Indonesia up to the Challenge??
http://cdn.livinginindonesiaforum.org/images/smilies/cheer2.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0mv7OhXYThk
Finally, some important technology is being developed
In terms of WTFness, China is a hard act to follow.
Here is the Video Link (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c8c_1331618215) for this Classic WTF moment
One should know that the bus was not empty, as there were passengers who I suppose where all thinking "WTF?", or maybe not.
Is Indonesia up to the Challenge??
http://cdn.livinginindonesiaforum.org/images/smilies/cheer2.gif
It looks like the passenger hit first, and continually pushed/punched the driver for some time before the driver finally fought back.
I rode Jakarta public transport for 12 years before I could drive, and when I was in high school I had to be in constant alert of my surroundings. There were many dangers, like snatchers (jambret), organized pickpockets (copet), gangs of muggers (rampok) who block both exits and stick up the entire bus, posses of knife-carrying rival high school boys who wouldn't hesitate to drag you out and slaughter you on the spot...
I was a victim of copet and jambret once, and had really close calls with the high school posses. I was punched several times on the bus by a group of seniors of my own school, who were going after my brand new pair of shoes. At least I got to keep the shoes. Does that sound crazy enough for you?
I think the driver made himself guilty by drawing a weapon first.
I rode Jakarta public transport for 12 years before I could drive, and when I was in high school I had to be in constant alert of my surroundings. There were many dangers, like snatchers (jambret), organized pickpockets (copet), gangs of muggers (rampok) who block both exits and stick up the entire bus, posses of knife-carrying rival high school boys who wouldn't hesitate to drag you out and slaughter you on the spot...
Indonesia was ahead of France at that time then? That's pretty much how it sounds like, riding a public transport around Paris now or in a few other hot cities. In the south of France (Marseille) rival gangs now use kalashnikov to communicate and make a point.
Indonesia was ahead of France at that time then? That's pretty much how it sounds like, riding a public transport around Paris now or in a few other hot cities. In the south of France (Marseille) rival gangs now use kalashnikov to communicate and make a point.
Well, Jakarta is slightly better because the gangs typically don't carry / can't afford firearms. The guys with guns don't target poor bus passengers, they go after bank customers who make large cash withdrawals.
I have not words to describe how I was feeling watching this video, it is shocking to see how a simple and small problem can get so dangerous!!!! and how easy somebody can lost control of theirself!!! really really sad..........
When I was younger and living in my hometown I remember to be in that situation a few times, I always asked the driver permission to ask the other passenger for change and after that managed to pay the ticket without a problem, it seems simple and easy yap!!! and even remember some time somebody paid my ticket!!!!
Sad, really really sad, I wonder how stress the driver could have been? and why he refused to allowed the man to wait for the change???????
I think the driver made himself guilty by drawing a weapon first.
I think we were watching a different video Ricky:) The driver took out the knife and stabbed the other guy towards the end of the fight and in self defense. If I was in the same situation I would probably do the same if I was defending myself:)
Ray:)
I think we were watching a different video Ricky :) The driver took out the knife and stabbed the other guy towards the end of the fight and in self defense. If I was in the same situation I would probably do the same if I was defending myself:)
Ray:)
You're referring to the first one, right? Well yeah the so-called officer is one damn crook, but the driver could've submitted the video footage to the regional Communist Party official to wipe that officer without making himself guilty, but he decided to draw a weapon instead and that shifted part of the blame to himself since the cop didn't use any weapon on the driver.
Btw do you Irishmen write like the Yanks? :confused2:
You're referring to the first one, right?
Yes, the driver and cop
Btw do you Irishmen write like the Yanks? :confused2:
I don't think so..do I? :)
Ray:)
I don't think so..do I? :)
Ray:)
Self-defense...
Missnaughty
14-03-12, 19:46
Yanks.. What are they?
Self-defense...
I must have not been wearing my glacces:heh:
Ray:)
In the US now, I would not be surprised!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of0DY2mMG1Q
Drawing a weapon when one is mismatched (on the losing side) of a fight is self defense in my book. <shrug>
Self-defense usually means force equal and opposite to that being used against you. If you fear for your life, you can use deadly force against the aggressor.
This should be here, trying to make money from expats.
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/22578-For-Rent-Honda-Jazz-Manual-2005-Red-Color?p=239810#post239810
Drawing a weapon when one is mismatched (on the losing side) of a fight is self defense in my book. <shrug>
As a matter of threatening so as to prevent further attacks, yes. But without forewarning, that might make the weapon user partly liable, IMHO. Let's see though what the legal experts of the forum would say on this.
Ricky: for matters like this (life threatening), I am a firm believer in kill or be killed. legal ramifications can come later, but I would rather that I (or any of my family or friends) live rather than the bad guy.
I don't know about indonesia or China but in the US, there have been many cases (through trials) of self defense that involved the deaths of the perpetrator.
China executes top Chongqing official for corruption (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10535226)
China has executed the top justice official in the city of Chongqing as part of a crackdown on corruption.
Wen Qiang, former director of the Chongqing Municipal Judicial Bureau, was the highest-ranking official charged in connection with the scandal.
He was convicted of accepting bribes, rape and shielding criminal gangs.
Dozens of officials have been prosecuted as part of the clampdown, initiated by Chongqing's Communist Party boss Bo Xilai.
Here is the WTF part
Scandal May Topple Party Official in China (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/world/asia/scandal-may-end-rise-of-bo-xilai-party-official-in-china.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1)
CHONGQING, China — This week, the United States has been host to China’s leader-in-waiting, Xi Jinping, hoping to glean clues to the country’s future. But for the Chinese, it is an unfolding political drama in this sprawling mountain city that could have a major impact on the country’s political fortunes.
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But Mr. Bo’s chances have suffered a serious blow because of an unfolding corruption scandal involving Wang Lijun, the man he recruited as Chongqing’s top law enforcement officer. While some observers say Mr. Bo’s ascension cannot be ruled out, most seem to think his upward trajectory has stalled.
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Now, the years of brash action seem to have caught up with Mr. Bo. Several months ago, his top police official, Mr. Wang, became the target of an investigation into corruption in a northeastern city, Tieling, where he had worked.
When party investigators first questioned Mr. Wang, Mr. Bo spoke favorably and sought to protect him, according to the fellow princeling. But under pressure from central authorities, Mr. Bo soon began to turn, and this month Mr. Bo effectively demoted Mr. Wang.
A few days later, Mr. Wang learned that his driver had been arrested, according to the source. Mr. Wang apparently panicked. On Feb. 6, he drove 200 miles from Chongqing to the nearest United States Consulate, in Chengdu.
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On the record, American officials would say only that Mr. Wang left the consulate “of his own volition.” Other sources in China said that Mr. Wang’s chief goals were to seek refuge from Mr. Bo and make clear to him that incriminating knowledge or evidence had been passed on. Mr. Wang left the consulate and is reported in detention in Beijing.
Within a couple days, Mr. Bo sent a letter to the leadership in which he took responsibility for having promoted and “failed to investigate” Mr. Wang, and offered, if only perfunctorily, to resign, according to the fellow princeling.
His future is a matter of conjecture. He may face retirement, or end up in a ceremonial job at a consultative conference or the rubber-stamp Parliament.
The anti corruption chief is himself corrupt ! WTF ??
Ricky: for matters like this (life threatening), I am a firm believer in kill or be killed. legal ramifications can come later, but I would rather that I (or any of my family or friends) live rather than the bad guy.
I don't know about indonesia or China but in the US, there have been many cases (through trials) of self defense that involved the deaths of the perpetrator.
Popular saying in the U.S. "Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six"
This is a cluster WTF in America
The New York Times allowed an anti-Catholic ad regarding Catholic repression of women's Rights then rejects a similar ad about Islamic repression of women's rights and jihad (just for good measure).
Catholic faith forbids the use of contraception and abortion and ... well, have a look at the links
Both Ads and story here (http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/03/new-york-times-runs-anti-catholic-ad-rejects-similar-ad-that-tells-truth-about-islam-and-jihad.html) and here (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/03/counter-jihad-offense-afdisioa-counters-new-york-times-anti-catholic-ad-with-same-only-accurate.html), better to open both.
An strong point was made, do you agree or not? Provocative stuff
This is a cluster WTF in AmericaThe New York Times allowed an anti-Catholic ad regarding Catholic repression of women's Rights then rejects a similar ad about Islamic repression of women's rights and jihad (just for good measure).Catholic faith forbids the use of contraception and abortion and ... well, have a look at the linksBoth Ads and story here (http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/03/new-york-times-runs-anti-catholic-ad-rejects-similar-ad-that-tells-truth-about-islam-and-jihad.html) and here (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/03/counter-jihad-offense-afdisioa-counters-new-york-times-anti-catholic-ad-with-same-only-accurate.html), better to open both. An strong point was made, do you agree or not? Provocative stuffJihad Watch and Atlas Shrugs? I expect something like that from them.There's a fine line between outrage over the action of an elite few and smearing an entire religion from the beginning of time. If I were to write the anti-Catholic ad in the style of the anti-Islam ad, I would use the Inquisition, the Crusades, etc. The Catholic Church is an entity (and a very powerful one), and not comparable to "imams".
I think the anti-bishop ad went a little overboard, but Jihad Watch took a headlong running jump into the sea.
Jihad Watch and Atlas Shrugs? I expect something like that from them.There's a fine line between outrage over the action of an elite few and smearing an entire religion from the beginning of time. If I were to write the anti-Catholic ad in the style of the anti-Islam ad, I would use the Inquisition, the Crusades, etc. The Catholic Church is an entity (and a very powerful one), and not comparable to "imams".
I think the anti-bishop ad went a little overboard, but Jihad Watch took a headlong running jump into the sea.
As I said WTF, the New Times DID run the anti Catholic ad though...that was first and the other was in response but was not run.
I agree, the Catholics certainly are not innocent, the crusades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades)were one of the bloodiest times in history excluding this century. Additionally in contrast to the crusaders, Sultan Saladin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saladin)...
His (Saladin) noble and chivalrous behavior was noted by Christian chroniclers, especially in the accounts of the Siege of Kerak, and despite being the nemesis of the Crusaders, he won the respect of many of them, including Richard the Lionheart; rather than becoming a hated figure in Europe, he became a celebrated example of the principles of chivalry
Saladin's relationship with Richard (the Lionheart) was one of chivalrous mutual respect as well as military rivalry. At Arsuf, when Richard lost his horse, Saladin sent him two replacements. Richard proposed that his sister, Joan of England, Queen of Sicily, should marry Saladin's brother and that Jerusalem could be their wedding gift.
Spanish Inquisition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition) anyone??
As I also said Provocative stuff, ya?
This is where stereotypes come from.
Top this one for stupidity! (http://www.break.com/index/blonde-chicks-explains-mph-2310483)
http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/7/7/4/120774_v1.jpg
There seems to be no end in sight for Chinese counterfeiting
Chinese have moved to the next level of counterfeiting from products to entire companies! WTF!!??
Chinese authorities find 22 fake Apple stores
A total of 22 fake Apple stores have been uncovered in one Chinese city.
Authorities in Kunming began searching out the copycats after pictures of one convincing replica were circulated on the web.
An early search found five fake stores, two of which were shut down for trading without a licence.
BBC link
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14503724)
Another link (http://birdabroad.wordpress.com/2011/07/20/are-you-listening-steve-jobs/)
Many Indonesians would like to have IKEA open up in Jakarta, good quality home furnishings at reasonable prices all under one roof. China has a few IKEA shops, I shopped at the one in Shanghai. Chinese ever looking for something to copy went ahead and copied IKEA!
Knock-off Ikea store in China
Slide Show (http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?articleId=USRTR2PIQT#a=19)
Seems Kumming is the place for copy businesses WTF??
Be very careful when doing business in Mainland China, who knows what you are really getting? :spy:
Two stories to share:
1. The Chinese woo the Chinese overseas to come back to the "Motherland" to rebuild it to restore its pride. A Singaporean (as you know more than half of Sings are of Chinese descent) consortium, using the apparent advantages endowed by the PRC to those having Chinese blood, built an industrial park in the country, only to be copied and competed not far from the park before it gained break even. Rather than enduring losses, the Singaporeans came home to the "Foreigner" land.
2. A friend returning from Mandarin learning in the PRC told me about the approved existence of a university specialised on counterfeiting things.
http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2012/3/22/460e2aa5-1241-421e-aef9-7b9bb291f762_thumb.jpg
:lol:
Two stories to share:
1. The Chinese woo the Chinese overseas to come back to the "Motherland" to rebuild it to restore its pride. A Singaporean (as you know more than half of Sings are of Chinese descent) consortium, using the apparent advantages endowed by the PRC to those having Chinese blood, built an industrial park in the country, only to be copied and competed not far from the park before it gained break even. Rather than enduring losses, the Singaporeans came home to the "Foreigner" land.
2. A friend returning from Mandarin learning in the PRC told me about the approved existence of a university specialised on counterfeiting things.
The owners of the company I work for are considering opening a plant in China. They have a mainlander on staff, and she told them the local partner is going to steal the technology. I told them that it's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when". They're still thinking about it because they are going to supply other American manufacturers in the PRC, with which they have ongoing relationships in the states. They figure US manufacturers in China are unlikely to buy from local copycats because they want to avoid quality nightmares. The raw material has to be certified to a certain set of specs, and nobody doubts that mainlanders are not beyond faking the paperwork.
The owners of the company I work for are considering opening a plant in China. They have a mainlander on staff, and she told them the local partner is going to steal the technology. I told them that it's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when". They're still thinking about it because they are going to supply other American manufacturers in the PRC, with which they have ongoing relationships in the states. They figure US manufacturers in China are unlikely to buy from local copycats because they want to avoid quality nightmares. The raw material has to be certified to a certain set of specs, and nobody doubts that mainlanders are not beyond faking the paperwork.
Getting into a Joint Venture in China is not a good idea at all in my opinion. When push comes to shove China courts favour the Chinese company. There are so many tricks that Chinese use to get around any JV contact, there are plenty of horror stories about this. Manufacturing in China has slowed, and many factories are running at reduced output. Additionally there is a power shift occurring in Beijing at the moment, could be some interesting times for China very soon such as a recession, and I would not like to be there when it comes.
As far as your company assuming the US manufacturers in China not buying knockoffs of your products is naive to say the least. The knockoff company needs only to approach the Chinese buyer at the US manufacturer and pay a percentage of the purchase price to that person. This is how Chinese companies sell to other Chinese companies. Depending in how much money is involved the scam can go all the way up to the top, its off the books money after all. I've seen this all the time.
Chinese are very clever in hiding all the evidence and forging documents. For example, again from personal experience in China. One Chinese pigment manufacturer sells industrial pigment to European cosmetic manufacturers. How this works is one of the management staff at the Shanghai government testing and certification laboratory is paid cash $50 for each COA (Certificate Of Analysis). This person then tests the pigment but changes the results so as it conforms to what ever standard is required. The COA is printed out and officially stamped with the seal. The punch line is the COA normally costs $200, not $50! So not only is the pigment company getting a bargain, they are also selling much cheaper industrial pigment in place of the more expensive cosmetic grade.
Doesn't the European manufacturers test the pigments themselves? No, apparently not, because if they did they would find the pigments failing for heavy metal content and they would be forced to find another supplier which will be more expensive and also they would need to change their formulations which could impact hundreds of products. Its better they all do the wink wink nudge nudge and hope for the best.
I know this sounds incredible, but the rabbit hole goes very deep in China. How else can Chinese fake components end up in the US military aircraft (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-07/counterfeit-parts-from-china-found-on-raytheon-boeing-systems.html) ? Do you think your company or the US manufacturers your company supply are smarter than the US military?
Perhaps the best solution in my opinion is for your company to find a trustworthy partner in China to set up a trading company and export the goods from Indonesia to China. Better yet, get the US manufacturers to move to Indonesia which is better for everyone in the long run, yes??
Getting into a Joint Venture in China is not a good idea at all in my opinion. When push comes to shove China courts favour the Chinese company. There are so many tricks that Chinese use to get around any JV contact, there are plenty of horror stories about this. Manufacturing in China has slowed, and many factories are running at reduced output. Additionally there is a power shift occurring in Beijing at the moment, could be some interesting times for China very soon such as a recession, and I would not like to be there when it comes.
As far as your company assuming the US manufacturers in China not buying knockoffs of your products is naive to say the least. The knockoff company needs only to approach the Chinese buyer at the US manufacturer and pay a percentage of the purchase price to that person. This is how Chinese companies sell to other Chinese companies. Depending in how much money is involved the scam can go all the way up to the top, its off the books money after all. I've seen this all the time.
Chinese are very clever in hiding all the evidence and forging documents. For example, again from personal experience in China. One Chinese pigment manufacturer sells industrial pigment to European cosmetic manufacturers. How this works is one of the management staff at the Shanghai government testing and certification laboratory is paid cash $50 for each COA (Certificate Of Analysis). This person then tests the pigment but changes the results so as it conforms to what ever standard is required. The COA is printed out and officially stamped with the seal. The punch line is the COA normally costs $200, not $50! So not only is the pigment company getting a bargain, they are also selling much cheaper industrial pigment in place of the more expensive cosmetic grade.
Doesn't the European manufacturers test the pigments themselves? No, apparently not, because if they did they would find the pigments failing for heavy metal content and they would be forced to find another supplier which will be more expensive and also they would need to change their formulations which could impact hundreds of products. Its better they all do the wink wink nudge nudge and hope for the best.
I know this sounds incredible, but the rabbit hole goes very deep in China. How else can Chinese fake components end up in the US military aircraft (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-07/counterfeit-parts-from-china-found-on-raytheon-boeing-systems.html) ? Do you think your company or the US manufacturers your company supply are smarter than the US military?
Perhaps the best solution in my opinion is for your company to find a trustworthy partner in China to set up a trading company and export the goods from Indonesia to China. Better yet, get the US manufacturers to move to Indonesia which is better for everyone in the long run, yes??
I have obviously floated the idea of setting up the plant in Batam instead, but they're concerned about transportation and import costs into the mainland. We'll see. In the mean time they are more into Brazil.
I have obviously floated the idea of setting up the plant in Batam instead, but they're concerned about transportation and import costs into the mainland. We'll see. In the mean time they are more into Brazil.
That's the thing with China, they load the dice in their favor at every turn! China blocks YouTUBE so Chinese use Youku, same with Google, so Chinese use Baidu, everything is all for the benefit of Chinese companies and China, no exceptions. Many International SME companies are becoming more and more disillusioned with a China market, including large internationals too.
I have a very good friend in China, he's a French bule who manufactures screws in Taiwan for many many years. He's opened some factories in China and is so tired of the constant fighting to keep the quality up and other issues. His target is to be completely out of China with 5 years, or sooner if the recession hits within that time. He's been to Indonesia many years ago with a view to set up factories here, but the Indonesian regulations were such he went to China instead. Now he wanted to look at Indonesia again, but its still basically the same, too restrictive and he doesn't want to give up a kidney to set up shop here. So instead he is looking at Vietnam. Another "win" for Indonesia ! Yaahh!! /sarcasm
I have other friends in multinational companies who want to set up in Indonesia, yet its the same story, so they are looking at Vietnam. One friend has Armani components made in China which are then shipped to Italy to be finished. He was looking at Indonesia as well, but the level of quality is not up to par in addition to Indonesian government policies so he is also looking at Vietnam (which is also not up to par in quality).
This is really Indonesia's time to shine, if they just opened the doors like China did in the 1980's. Indonesia can slam the door shut again later, after it has the money and the technology :lol:
I think their motivation for blocking foreign internet services is information control rather than anything else. It's called the Great Firewall of China for a reason.
About Indonesia, I'm not sure we have many people in government who know the first thing about attracting foreign investment.
The scary thing about people in Indonesian government is that often they are not the expert at what their position is supposed to be. I am currently in Merauke for some business. At the hotel's cafe while I was using wifi on my laptop I overheard someone trying to convince the Merauke head of mining, mineral and energy that a satellite photo survey can reveal what minerals and precious metals are hidden under the earth. I happened to see some of the samples, and it's no more than a visible light spectrum satellite photo. At a cost of Rp 25Miliar, I'm sure someone is making some money.
I showed the government person the satellite photos from google maps and google earth and he was impressed. I spent a night taking screen shots of the imagery and stitched them and gave it to him on a USB disk as a present. Too many people take advantage of the naivety of the government employees. This is really what industry experts are supposed to be for. Oh well...
A gold-medal winning athlete from Kazakhstan was forced to stand through a national anthem that insulted other countries and boasted of her nation's "clean prostitutes" when organizers at a shooting competition accidentally played a fake anthem from the comedy film "Borat."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B39cenrIQW0&feature=player_embedded#!
Dmitrienko won the 75 target event at the 10th Arab Shooting Championship in Kuwait on Thursday. She stood on the podium with the event's other medal winners and expected to hear "My Kazakhstan." Instead, she was greeted with Sacha Baron Cohen's mock anthem from his 2006 film.
Organizers apparently downloaded the anthem from the Internet by mistake. The song was filled with references to potassium (Kazakhstan's top export), dirty swimming pools and insults of other countries and religions.
Full story here (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/borat-national-anthem-accidentally-played-kazakh-athlete-video-224008124.html)
WTF is going on with US airline flight and cabin crews lately?
First the American Airlines flight attendant; now a JetBlue captain who goes berserk in mid-flight!!
JetBlue flight diverted after captain's 'erratic' behavior - CNN.com
(http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/27/travel/jet-blue-flight-diverted/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
WTF is going on with US airline flight and cabin crews lately?
First the American Airlines flight attendant; now a JetBlue captain who goes berserk in mid-flight!!
JetBlue flight diverted after captain's 'erratic' behavior - CNN.com
(http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/27/travel/jet-blue-flight-diverted/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
Hahah you firsted me, was thinking to post this on the thread. :lol: It amazed me that it happened in the US where the standard is supposed to be sky high and not here in Indonesia!
I thought so too. Seems, though, that all that airport security measures have distracted from (probably created?) the mental health issues the airline personnel may be suffering.
Urine-cooked eggs a delicacy in China city: ‘Virgin boy eggs’ are spring tradition in Dongyang
Ahhh, Spring.
Some of us mark the season of renewal by cleaning our homes from top to bottom. Others add pastels to their wardrobe. In the Eastern Chinese city of Dongyang, they eat “virgin boy eggs (http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/urine-cooked-eggs-a-delicacy-china-city-virgin-boy-eggs-spring-tradition-dongyan-article-1.1053444)” — hard-boiled eggs marinated and simmered in urine, according to Reuters.
Residents praise the local delicacy for its ability to prevent colds, increase circulation and boost vitality.*
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1053443.1333124771!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/image.jpg
“These eggs cooked in urine are fragrant,” said Ge Yaohua, 51, who owns one of the more popular “virgin boy eggs” stalls. “Our family has them for every meal. In Dongyang, every family likes eating them."
Vendors collect buckets of boy's urine from from local schools and homes in order to make the unusual broth.
The eggs are soaked in the urine and then heated over a stove. Then they are taken out of the shells and put back in the urine to simmer.
* This is why I raise an eyebrow when people tell me about "traditional herbal medicines" ...WTF?
Video link for Urine Eggs (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=805_1333174266)
bow chicka wow wow
01-04-12, 22:57
I think I puked a little in my mouth.:faint:
Silly people, don't they know that they can use beer instead of piss?
Since it's china, how do you know that the piss is genuinely from little boys? It could come from salty old geezers fresh out of an all-you-can-drink bar...
Silly people, don't they know that they can use beer instead of piss?
Since it's china, how do you know that the piss is genuinely from little boys? It could come from salty old geezers fresh out of an all-you-can-drink bar...
haha right you are !
These are the same Chinese who would laugh at me (and other bule) for eating cheese, using butter and drinking milk.
Also in Zhejiang province the love to eat what bule call 'stinky tofu (http://eatingchina.com/articles/stinky-tofu.htm)'.
An accurate description of how it smells would be deep frying fresh dog poop, really.
http://photos.igougo.com/images/p270950-Taipei-Stinky_Tofu_Yuck.jpg
Imagine that's a fried dog turd at the end of those chopsticks
From a distance, the odor of stinky tofu is said to resemble that of rotten garbage or manure, even by its enthusiasts. In some instances the taste has even been compared to rotten meat. LINK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinky_tofu)
haha right you are !
These are the same Chinese who would laugh at me (and other bule) for eating cheese, using butter and drinking milk.
Also in Zhejiang province the love to eat what bule call 'stinky tofu (http://eatingchina.com/articles/stinky-tofu.htm)'.
An accurate description of how it smells would be deep frying fresh dog poop, really.
http://photos.igougo.com/images/p270950-Taipei-Stinky_Tofu_Yuck.jpg
Imagine that's a fried dog turd at the end of those chopsticks
Since I can eat large amounts of Durian as well as Petis, that stinky tofu doesn't scare me. Surely fermented tofu can't be worse than fermented shrimp, as shrimp smells unless it's extremely fresh. However, I draw the line when it comes to the use of human (or any) excrement on food.
Missnaughty
02-04-12, 09:11
Injun.. you have to be here to smell it.
Since I can eat large amounts of Durian as well as Petis, that stinky tofu doesn't scare me. Surely fermented tofu can't be worse than fermented shrimp, as shrimp smells unless it's extremely fresh. However, I draw the line when it comes to the use of human (or any) excrement on food.
Stinky tofu makes Durian smell like roses. Not wanting to be too graphic, have you ever stepped into fresh dog poop and the smell hits you, even though its not too strong? Now take that dog poop drop it into deep fryer so even people down the street can smell it. Its like that.
Once in the subway, as soon as the doors opened I smelled something foul...as I went down the long walkway to the stairs which leads to the exit the stench got stronger. When I finally exited the underground station I needed to cover my face. The source of the stench was a street stinky tofu vendor a good about 200metres down the road. It can be that strong! http://cdn.livinginindonesiaforum.org/images/smilies/dizzy.gif
Bon appétit, guys... I was about to get a nice tinutuan breakfast but I think that I am gonna postponed it for a couple of hours or so. I am not hungry anymore at the moment. :smile2:
Tihzho, can we find this stinky tofu in Shenzen ?
Your description of the smell makes me curious and would like to report back after my visit there next month.
Tihzho, can we find this stinky tofu in Shenzen ?
Your description of the smell makes me curious and would like to report back after my visit there next month.
Stinky tofu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinky_tofu) is found everywhere in China, however unlike cheese there is no standard recipe nor commercial production therefore it varies from mildly aromatic like a soft summer fart to alerting the UN as a WMD.
You will know when you find the stinky tofu to which I refer, or rather it finds you http://cdn.livinginindonesiaforum.org/images/smilies/tongue2.gif
Thanks Tihzo, will keep my eyes uhhm..., nose.. open the minute I got there for that new experience of smell. :)
Okay then, the next question is I suppose: How do you know when it is past its 'use by' date and would it actually make any difference?? :hungry:
http://i.imgur.com/3f0nA.jpg
I stumbled across this article by a Chinese writer about the real China underneath the hype of the "Chinese miracle".
Its called Caging a Monster
“I am a Chinese writer. Allow me to say a few words about my country. Everyone knows that in the past thirty years China has built countless skyscrapers, commissioned countless airports, and paved countless freeways. My country’s GDP is the world’s second largest and her products are sold in every corner of the planet. My compatriots can be seen on tour in London, New York and Tokyo wearing expensive clothes, chattering raucously. My compatriots also fill up casinos and line up to buy LV bags.
People exclaim in amazement: China is rising, the Chinese are rich! But behind this facade of power and prosperity there are details of which many people are unaware, and it is precisely these details that make my country a very strange place. Living in China is like watching a play in a giant theatre. The plots are absurd and the scenarios are unbelievable—so absurd, so unbelievable that they are beyond any writer’s imagination.
My country manufactures powdered milk containing melamine, feeds fish and shrimp contraceptive medications to enhance their growth, uses industrial alcohol in fake wine, preserves bean curd with human excrement, and produces “gutter oil (http://www.chinasmack.com/2009/pictures/recycled-slop-swill-cooking-oil.html),” the product of a notorious practice in which waste oil from gutters outside restaurants is recycled for human consumption.
In my country, the legal system works like this: countless laws are enacted, and then countless procedures are created, followed by countless enforcement regulations and detailed judicial interpretations, but ultimately it is up to the political leaders to decide who wins and who loses a case. In my country, many cases cannot be pursued in the courts. Even if legal action is taken, courts can refuse to hear a case. Even if the case is heard in court, the judgment is made well before the hearing start.
In my country, many innocent people disappear, and some people lose their freedom without ever being sentenced by a court. Some people attempt to have their grievances addressed at a higher level by following procedures prescribed in law. These people are branded “petitioners.” In my country, the word petitioner conveys the sense of a nuisance, a mentally ill person, a terrorist. To deal with these petitioners, the government mobilizes a huge amount of resources to herd them home, jail them, and in a particularly creative measure, incarcerate them in insane asylums.
Read the full article here (http://marketcruncher.com/2011/11/23/murong-xuecun-behind-the-chinese-facade-lies-a-monster/)
The Unsinkable Rubber Duckies
By James Randi - WIRED
It sometimes seems like there is a huge swath of the general public that will just believe anything — they are immune to skepticism and compelled to accept the most obvious scams. These delusions can be relatively harmless — believe in spoon-bending and perpetual motion if you must. But some fakers are very, very dangerous. At the worst end of the spectrum, in my estimation, are faith healers. They can cause real harm to the victims they parade before the rest of us — and even more to those, as I will show, whom they give false hope and ignore.
Johnny Carson and I shared several illuminating moments on The Tonight Show (with Jay Leno the current host), the most satisfying one by far being a 1986 episode in which we revealed the blatant cheating and deception of TV evangelist Peter Popoff — the shrieking, frenetic, Bible-flaunting preacher who is still invoking invisible healing from divine sources on TV.
That definitive exposé should have spelled finis to his act. Johnny didn’t live long enough to know this, but only a few years after he’d been exposed Popoff took in $1 million more annually than he got back in 1986!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q7BQKu0YP8Y
Full Article here (http://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/05/opinion-randi-frauds/)
I'm sure glad we don't have these religious scammers in Indonesia...or do we? :twitch:
bow chicka wow wow
09-05-12, 22:57
The Korea Customs Service said Monday it had seized capsules made in northeastern China from dead babies whose bodies were chopped into small pieces and dried on stoves before being turned into powder.
Full article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/human-flesh-pills-dead-babies-china_n_1499082.html
The Korea Customs Service said Monday it had seized capsules made in northeastern China from dead babies whose bodies were chopped into small pieces and dried on stoves before being turned into powder.
Full article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/human-flesh-pills-dead-babies-china_n_1499082.html
I'm not sure which one is the bigger WTF, the fact that some mainlanders sell their dead babies, some other chop & powder the remains, or that some South Koreans think eating the stuff cures many illnesses.
bow chicka wow wow
10-05-12, 16:02
I'm not sure which one is the bigger WTF, the fact that some mainlanders sell their dead babies, some other chop & powder the remains, or that some South Koreans think eating the stuff cures many illnesses.
It's all one big WTF on all counts and wrong on so many levels.
On a more moderate level, some mainlanders believe in increasing their sexual potent by consuming rare tiger's missile.
bow chicka wow wow
10-05-12, 19:50
On a more moderate level, some mainlanders believe in increasing their sexual potent by consuming rare tiger's missile.
There is no level of moderation there, ricky. Big cats are being hunted to extinction to satisfy people's twisted idea.
Not only cats
More WTF from China
Pills filled with powdered human baby flesh found by customs officials
South Korea has seized thousands of smuggled drug capsules filled with powdered flesh from dead babies, which some people believe can cure disease.
The capsules were made in northeastern China from babies whose bodies were chopped into small pieces and dried on stoves before being turned into powder, the Korea Customs Service said.
Customs officials refused to say where the dead babies came from or who made the capsules, citing possible diplomatic friction with Beijing.
Chinese officials ordered an investigation into the production of drugs made from dead fetuses or newborns last year.
The customs office has discovered 35 smuggling attempts since August of about 17,450 capsules disguised as stamina boosters, and some people believe them to be a panacea for disease, the customs service said in a statement.
The capsules of human flesh, however, contained bacteria and other harmful ingredients.
...
LINK (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/southkorea/9250438/Pills-filled-with-powdered-human-baby-flesh-found-by-customs-officials.html)
WTF!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx38ltExCnI
China tells US to stop reporting Beijing's bad airBEIJING (AP) — A senior Chinese environmental official told foreign embassies on Tuesday to stop publishing their own reports on air quality in China, a clear reference to a popular U.S. Embassy Twitter feed that tracks pollution in smoggy Beijing.
Wu Xiaoqing, a vice environmental minister, told reporters at a briefing in Beijing that only the Chinese government is authorized to monitor and publish air quality information and warned that data from other sources may not be standardized or rigorous.
The U.S. Embassy gives hourly readings of Beijing's air quality via a Twitter feed that has gathered more than 19,000 followers since it was set up in 2008. It uses a more stringent standard for acceptable amounts of pollution than the Chinese government does.
Wu said it isn't fair to judge Chinese air by American standards because China is a developing country. He noted that the U.S. has gradually made its environmental guidelines more stringent over time.
LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/china-tells-us-stop-reporting-beijings-bad-air-055535944--finance.html)
WTF!?
Here's an idea, why not stop spending billions and billions of dollars on all the show off "how great is China" projects and use it for developing China?
I would shake my head at that hit-and-bury case.
This is also WTF :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcJSjHbamyQ&feature=related
Foreigner in Beijing gets beat up for alleged sexual assault
For all of you who's teams lost
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y
NSFW - Gratuitous use of the "F" word!
What if this happened in Indonesia and not in China?
Hand over money, villagers told
Residents near major dam construction sites in Sichuan and Yunnan forced to pay to authorities part of compensation they get for being evicted from homes
Shi Jiangtao in Yongshan county, Yunnan province
May 31, 2012
Villagers in Yunnan and Sichuan being moved to make way for two massive dams have been told by local governments to hand over 30,720 yuan (HK$37,620) per head from the compensation they receive for the loss of their homes and farmland. And some who do not get that much compensation have been warned they may have to dip into their own pockets to make up the difference.
The Xiangjiaba dam is being built on the Jinsha (Yangtze) River on the mountainous border between Sichuan and Yunnan, about 33 kilometres upstream from the city of Yibin , and the Xiluodu dam is being built 160 kilometres further upstream. They are the country's largest dams after the Three Gorges dam.
The homes of at least 125,000 people in six Yunnan and Sichuan counties will soon be inundated by the rising waters of the Xiangjiaba dam, which will begin filling next month.
Local authorities, who have been struggling to make today's deadline to resettle thousands of families, insist that the "mandatory compensation deduction", to be paid back at the monthly rate of 160 yuan per person for the next 16 years, is aimed at helping people better manage their money, but locals are not convinced.
"I can't imagine how I can get by on just 160 yuan a month, which is barely enough to cover meals," said Lei Shiqin, 53, from Huangguo village, in the town of Huanghua in Yongshan county, Yunnan.
Lei is among more than 4,200 Huangguo villagers, more than half of the village's population, to be evicted by the end of this year to make way for the Xiluodu dam.
"I am so worried and have so many questions that no cadres have bothered to respond to," she said.
"Where are we going to be moved? How can we survive after we lose the fertile farmland that has supported my family of three for decades?"
Yongshan county officials and the village's Communist Party chief, Lei Shibin, (not related to Lei Shiqin) admit that most Huangguo villagers may get no compensation at all for their small but profitable farms due to the controversial deduction policy.
Indeed, they may have to dip into their own pockets to make up the difference between the rather limited compensation they do receive and the mandatory deduction, Lei Shibin explained.
Although some county officials said the central and provincial governments would cover the difference, villagers say they have no faith in such statements by the authorities.
Local officials in several affected counties have said that impoverished grass-roots governments need the money from the deduction to cover a shortfall in resettlement funding, according to reports by Caijing magazine and other mainland media.
WTF, the original South China Morning Post article has been removed - I wonder why? haha
Next time you want to complain about Jakarta's air quality consider this...
Shanghai's smog the other day - photo taken by an expat
http://www.shanghaiexpat.com/phpbbforum/resources/image/34124
US Consulate Shanghai air quality monitor
http://shanghai.usembassy-china.org.cn/airmonitor.html
Missnaughty
11-06-12, 21:51
PM10 102. Supposed it was really bad. What is PM10?
PM10 102. Supposed it was really bad. What is PM10?
Run and hide with breathing apparatus haha
Health and Environmental Effects: In 1987, EPA replaced the earlier Total Suspended Particulate (TSP) air quality standard with a PM-10 standard. The new standard focuses on smaller particles that are likely responsible for adverse health effects because of their ability to reach the lower regions of the respiratory tract. The PM-10 standard includes particles with a diameter of 10 micrometers or less (0.0004 inches or one-seventh the width of a human hair). EPA's health-based national air quality standard for PM-10 is 50 µg/m3 (measured as an annual mean) and 150 µg/m3 (measured as a daily concentration). Major concerns for human health from exposure to PM-10 include: effects on breathing and respiratory systems, damage to lung tissue, cancer, and premature death. The elderly, children, and people with chronic lung disease, influenza, or asthma, are especially sensitive to the effects of particulate matter. Acidic PM-10 can also damage human-made materials and is a major cause of reduced visibility in many parts of the U.S. New scientific studies suggest that fine particles (smaller than 2.5 micrometers in diameter) may cause serious adverse health effects. As a result, EPA is considering setting a new standard for PM-2.5. In addition, EPA is reviewing whether revisions to the current PM-10 standards are warranted.
LUNG (http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/aqtrnd95/pm10.html)
China is whinging about independent sources publishing Chinese air pollution data because China is a "developing country" and should be excused from polluted air. Seems the Chinese government's priority is spending billions and billions of dollars to show off to the world how great is China and that China's economy will surpass the US. But at the same time China pulls the "China is a developing country" and we can't be measured the same as the EU, America, Japan and other developed countries. BULLSHIT is a word that comes to mind. haha
PS: Newly arrived expats to Shanghai all complain of coughing and sore throats after a week or so after arrival.
john madden
12-06-12, 05:11
China is winging about independent sources publishing Chinese air pollution data .......
That'd be whinging I guess tihzho?
That'd be whinging I guess tihzho?
haha oops! yep, you're right John! :P
Seriously though when I first arrived back in Jakarta after years in Shanghai I was remarking to my friends how fresh is the Jakarta air...they suggested I must go to the doctor to have my head examined! lol And fair enough too, if I was coming from Australia or America to Jakarta perhaps I wouldn't be saying that.
Back to China WHINGING about the Shanghai US consulate publishing air quality reports. China has pulled "but China is a developing country" card and its unfair for the US (and the world) to expect China to be measured to the same standards as everyone else.
The government appears frustrated that there are now dueling readings for air quality and that the U.S. readings underscore the fact that pollution levels considered unhealthy in the U.S. are classified as good by China.Wu said it isn't fair to judge Chinese air by American standards because China is a developing country and noted that U.S. environmental guidelines have become more stringent over time.
The standard China uses "takes into account the level of our current stage of development," Wu said.
LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/china-tells-us-stop-reporting-beijings-bad-air-055535944--finance.html)
China is very good in scoring a self goal. If China didn't say a word about the Shanghai US Consulate air quality monitoring no would pay it much mind. However as China is very keen on preserving "face" its pulling out its overused "but China is a developing country" card just days away from a manned space mission to its own space station. This makes what Wu said "because China is a developing country" seem rather stupid. GOAL!!
China Set for Manned Mission to Tiangong-1 Module
China may be just days away from launching its first manned docking mission to the country's Tiangong-1 space station module, according to reports. A Shenzou-9 spacecraft atop a Long March-2F rocket was moved on Saturday to a launch platform at Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in northwest China in preparation for a mid-June launch, Chinese space agency officials said over the weekend.
The China National Space Administration (CNSA) is now conducting final tests ahead of the launch, according to the Global Times. Tiangong-1 was successfully lowered to docking orbit earlier this month, the China-based tabloid newspaper reported.
The three-person crew aboard Shenzou-9 will include a female astronaut, either Liu Yang and Wang Yaping, China's official Xinhua news agency reported Monday.
LINK (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405648,00.asp)
WTF!
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2i16mwnRD1r9rw6k.gif
Using a lift in Indonesia
http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/3/5/1/133351.jpg?v=1
hehehe
China Telecom professional repair job
http://sweetshanghai.com/public/album_photo/e9/31/31b8_f548.jpg?c=5555
Yup, this is what it looks like it is!
China Telecom fixed this pole more than 6 months ago, like this
That just shows the rest of the world the high quality of Chinese product and workmanship
That just shows the rest of the world the high quality of Chinese product and workmanship
How's your iPhone?
How's your iPhone?
If you mean that's good quality, thank the Taiwanese and Apple
That just shows the rest of the world the high quality of Chinese product and workmanship
Such as cars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=r9YbDCvrBBk
40mph (64km/h) crash test videos of Chinese vehicles
Anyone considering to buy any Chinese brand car remember in a crash you are the meat in the dumpling
How's your iPhone?
What iphone? havn't got one and never would.
I can tell you how the Chinese motor control center is.. burnt out, because of poor design and workmanship
I believe Chinese companies can make high quality products, if they are supervised properly and held accountable. An iPhone is both a high profile and high margin product, so they have high incentive to do it right. Unlike Google and Microsoft, Apple has always been a hardware seller, so they have extensive experience in dealing with manufacturers to ensure that their standards are met.
The CHinese can make to a very high standard, it depends what the product is for, and how much you want to pay. They have many levels, to suit the pocket.
I believe Chinese companies can make high quality products, if they are supervised properly and held accountable.
With those demands even the Indonesian houses will be of high quality.
And there will be safety at the workplace....
http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/attachments/yachtforums-yacht-club/17237d1174089006-safety-workplace-d.jpg
The CHinese can make to a very high standard, it depends what the product is for, and how much you want to pay. They have many levels, to suit the pocket.
True, and from first hand experience its best to monitor the production each step of the way as corruption is rife, original materials replaced with counterfeit materials. I have yet to meet a Chinese purchasing manager / clerk who wasn't getting kick backs from suppliers.
Whats wrong with that? Has two bits of old wood, one for back up. looks safe to me. ;)
True, and from first hand experience its best to monitor the production each step of the way as corruption is rife, original materials replaced with counterfeit materials. I have yet to meet a Chinese purchasing manager / clerk who wasn't getting kick backs from suppliers.
Just the same in Indonesia.
Just the same in Indonesia.
It's even better than that in Indonesia!
Because they are too much low paid, employee buy double of what the company need and sold the "not needed" item for their pocket money.
The boss say... They don't want raise up the salary as the employee will continue to do corruption anyway.
Instead of raise salary, they let them freely do corruption.
Go figure out why they have no control at all of what happen in their company!
That definitely include the quality.
They built boat that need to be replated after only 3 year of use (suppose to be at least 10 year and even 25 with very good quality)
The last time I made a report of what happen on the company "floor". The boss don't even want keep his copy as it make it depress! :P
Just saying that I am tired of people generalizing that Chinese made = bad products. They do allow their products to go out and be exported at a very low quality. But they're just as capable of making good products.
<shrug> it's tough to not be blindly opinionated about a few things, Made in China being one.
Whats wrong with that? Has two bits of old wood, one for back up. looks safe to me. ;)
I was talking more about the welding close to the gas tank...
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/SFerreira/Peelaugh.gif
Its a great picture, where did you find it?
I was talking more about the welding close to the gas tank...
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/SFerreira/Peelaugh.gif
Congratulations on 1000 posts
Congratulations on 1000 posts
Thanks, tried to stop on 1000 but now I screwed up I guess.
There is this Powerpoint going around with pics on 'safety at the workplace'. Hilarious.
I just looked at it, I am sure there are a few from Indonesia.
Chinese quality...
If you ask someone to do something for half of the price of a the quality one, whatever where he is on the planet, you are a fool to believe it will be as good quality!
^ True that and the reverse is also true in China
I never understood why foreign tourists at the Chinese fake markets buy counterfeit branded jeans of low quality at 2 or 3 times the price of high quality jeans from Wal*Mart. The shops at these Chinese fake markets sell low quality branded jeans for about $45 dollars and Wal*Mart in the US sells high quality jeans from $12-$25.
My jeans I bought at Wal*Mart for $14 a pair 4 years ago are still in excellent condition. The fake branded Jeans I had in China lasted only about 6 months before they fall apart.
A fool is born every minute
My friend is visiting from Abu Dhabi the second largest city in the United Arab Emirates. He was surprised that in Jakarta whiskey, (spirits / liquor) or wine is not available to be sold in a shop, only beer. Abu Dhabi, which is officially a Muslim country has liquor stores where everything can be bought, not just beer.
Why does Indonesia prohibit the sale of spirits / liquor and wine to individuals and it's only available at bars and clubs?
WTF!
Abu Dhabi, which is officially a Muslim country has liquor stores where everything can be bought, not just beer.
Hmm, sure? Think it's like Dubai; no way to get alcohol in a resto or shop outside a hotel or so. And over here at least I can get a beer in a Tekko, on outside terraces and squares or in any supermarket...hell, they even sell Smirnoff Ice.
The consumption of alcohol is ONLY legal for non-Muslims in Abu Dhabi within licensed restaurants, pubs, clubs, or private venues. Additionally, non-Muslim expats living in Abu Dhabi with residence status can apply for an alcohol licence, which entitles them to purchase alcohol from specialised stores and then consume their beverage of choice at home.
is this thread a thread for complaining?
Hmm, sure? Think it's like Dubai; no way to get alcohol in a resto or shop outside a hotel or so. And over here at least I can get a beer in a Tekko, on outside terraces and squares or in any supermarket...hell, they even sell Smirnoff Ice.
I am talking to my friend at the moment and I quote
"Yes, all bars, restaurants which serve alcohol are all in hotels, but there are a few liquor stores where you can buy wine, spirits - whiskey and such in Abu Dhabi"
Which is also what you quoted
is this thread a thread for complaining?
WTF, you didn't know this? :)
WTF, you didn't know this? :)
yeah pretty surprising huh? :P ... i was just wondering why were you complaining a lot haha... *hug* tihz..
yeah pretty surprising huh? :P ... i was just wondering why were you complaining a lot haha... *hug* tihz..
haha
This is the thread for all things which cause us to say "WTF"?
http://www.shanghaiexpat.com/phpbbforum/resources/image/33301
WTF why tihzho complaining a lot?? like that? :P
Because I'm not one to keep quiet when something is wrong like other people :D
Also its funny that YOU say this when your signature states:
"Never give up on something you really want. However impossible things seem, there's always a way"
Hmmm? :)
*grin*
So complaining is also one of your way to change the world?
yeah pretty surprising huh? :P ... i was just wondering why were you complaining a lot haha... *hug* tihz..
Actually, yes. If you don't complain, no one will know that anything is wrong.
Also, I had just realized recently that when I don't complain, it means I don't care at all about it. I complain when it's something I care about and I wish for it to change.
So if you don't complain about something, it means you don't care enough. At least that is how it works with me.
Actually, yes. If you don't complain, no one will know that anything is wrong.
but complaining in Indonesia means 'galak' or 'miss complaint'. And usually they will get annoy if we complaint but not trying to improve the service.
I still remember on one of the thread about eating kebab. Naughtygab tried to complaint there and they just listen and didn't do anything else. That's what happened in Indonesia. I changed my habit a bit after I came back from China. I started to complaint if there's something not right. And they called me galak or rewel.
BG, many people don't make the difference between:
Complaining for the pleasure of it
and
Constructive complaining
Also, many people, not just in Indonesia, simply don't want improve. Whatever what would be your complain it will be considered as annoying.
In the other hand, sometime it take many complain from different person for make someone understood that something is wrong or can be better.
... My wife say I complain tooooooo much :)
But if you're not galak or rewel, no one will know that what they've done is inappropriate. <shrug> I never cared what other people call me, I'll complain if it's something I care about. These days I rarely complain about restaurants in Indonesia. I simply don't go there anymore. When I was in Portland, I complained about the food and the service because I expect them to be better next time. Because I want that restaurant to improve and be in business for a long time. For Indonesian restaurants, I could care less if they're still around tomorrow.
Chinese are the same as Indonesians as far as complaining, they are just as apathetic. What's the use of complaining because nothing will change. However Indonesians can quickly go to the other extreme of demonstrations and riots. Its not that people really care about something its more the people being easily led into doing something about something they actually don't know too much about. Call it pack mentality and lets follow the leader.
I think both Chinese and Indonesians have this mentality about complaining because of suppressive governments. Indonesia with Suharto, and China with the current government. However the difference between Indonesia and China is Indonesians now have the power to effect change but are apathetic by habit from the Suharto era. For example, traffic jams are the norm in Jakarta and it effects everyone, but do you see any demonstrations about using ERP, subway system, light rail? Nope nothing.
There is a joke about Chinese which can also apply to here
How many Chinese does it take to change a light globe?
None, a new light globe costs money and everyone will get used to the dark.
hmm. I remember reading a member complained about red brick system in this forum,and what did he get?more red bricks ?and sinister replies from other members?
Perhaps gov of Indonesia should learn how to handle complains from this forum ...
about traffic jams, everyone know the obvious solution .. there should be less car on jakarta roads .. people need to leave their car at home and ride public transportation . it's just the solution will be hard and expensive . this is why Indonesia need strong leadership , instead of weak leader that embrace the populist short sighted policy just to win the election .
people just can not regulate themselves , for example .. switch off traffic light in busy intersection ,can all the drivers coordinate their cars without creating a deadlock ?
on liquor issue .. what I dont' quite get it ,why westerner need high alcoholic beverages in a tropical country . To prevent your blood from getting frozen ?
even with highly regulated alcohol content and distribution , a woman managed to crash her car and killed several people . can you imagine what will happen if the regulation is loosened ?
hmm. I remember reading a member complained about red brick system in this forum,and what did he get?more red bricks ?and sinister replies from other members?
Perhaps gov of Indonesia should learn how to handle complains from this forum ...
about traffic jams, everyone know the obvious solution .. there should be less car on jakarta roads .. people need to leave their car at home and ride public transportation . it's just the solution will be hard and expensive . this is why Indonesia need strong leadership , instead of weak leader that embrace the populist short sighted policy just to win the election .
people just can not regulate themselves , for example .. switch off traffic light in busy intersection ,can all the drivers coordinate their cars without creating a deadlock ?
on liquor issue .. what I dont' quite get it ,why westerner need high alcoholic beverages in a tropical country . To prevent your blood from getting frozen ?
even with highly regulated alcohol content and distribution , a woman managed to crash her car and killed several people . can you imagine what will happen if the regulation is loosened ?
THe obvious solution for the traffic problem is for driver to think about what they are doing. It will never happen, because here as soon as enyone gets behind the wheel of a car, or rides a motorbike, they become the most selfish person they can. They cant think any further than the end of the bonnet.
As for liquor, I think that drugs layed a very big part in the accident your talking about. Before you generalise about "westeners" please provide some proper evidence. I have seen many locals also taking hard drink. SO please give some statisitics.
Traffic issue is not simply because of too many vehicles (2, 3 and 4 wheeled; plus the 5 footed ones). As Jim has mentioned, a little bit of forethought and common sense from the individual drivers are needed. Why would you inch forward to be in the middle of the intersection when the light is about to turn red or even already red??? Same with blocking a major road when you have a red light so that people trying to turn onto that road cannot go. Most drivers I have seen in Indonesia are very selfish.
Then there's the issue of people parking willy nilly everywhere. So that lanes that were supposed to be for traffic flow is blocked. A 2 lane road become 1 lane. I've even seen (on a daily basis) a 5 lane road become a 2 lane road.
Then there's the public transportation vehicles stopping wherever they want to pick up a fare. It may only be 15 seconds, but the impact is felt many miles back. Especially when done repeatedly within a few meters.
Fix those things and I would bet that the traffic will ease up. What to fix about traffic: enforcement of the existing traffic laws.
Alcohol...umm...how many expats are in Indonesia? how many Indonesians? how much alcohol is consumed by locals vs expats?
"I believe God worked through the furries, because I really was in need,"
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/neighborhoods-city/dogged-by-financial-struggles-and-looming-closure-pittsburgh-cafe-gets-a-hand-or-paw-from-a-loyal-group-of-furry-friends-640633/#ixzz1y6uwS5Ww
Furries as philanthropists? Who knew?
And now for something completely different
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Not exactly WTF as this is to be expected for China and is what I've been saying about China's economy not being as good as everyone thinks. I personally know of Chinese factories shuttering their doors and running on reduced hours.
Why am I saying this? All the time I hear people here wanting to invest in China, and how strong is the Chinese economy. Yes, but in my view, that ship has sailed because with a global economic downturn, the EU teetering on the edge of further economic woes and China's massive trade in-balance means a major economic adjustment is on the horizon with China being most at risk. I'm not wishing this, far from it as I have investments in China but I'm not blinded by the rhetoric.
Chinese Data Mask Depth of Slowdown, Executives Say
HONG KONG — As the Chinese economy continues to sputter, prominent corporate executives in China and Western economists say there is evidence that local and provincial officials are falsifying economic statistics to disguise the true depth of the troubles.
Record-setting mountains of excesscoal (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/c/coal/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) have accumulated at the country’s biggest storage areas because power plants are burning less coal in the face of tumbling electricity demand. But local and provincial government officials have forced plant managers not to report to Beijing the full extent of the slowdown, power sector executives said.Electricity production and consumption have been considered a telltale sign of a wide variety of economic activity. They are widely viewed by foreign investors and even some Chinese officials as the gold standard for measuring what is really happening in the country’s economy, because the gathering and reporting of data in China is not considered as reliable as it is in many countries.
LINK (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/23/business/global/chinese-data-said-to-be-manipulated-understating-its-slowdown.html?_r=1&hp&pagewanted=all) NY TIMES
i love that wallmart link!!
The oversupply of coal in China has even impacted Indonesia. I just talked to one of my company's customers here that makes a certain equipment for coal mining companies in Indonesia; their order is slowing down because chinese ships filled with coal are lined up anchored just offshore and pressing prices down.
The oversupply of coal in China has even impacted Indonesia. I just talked to one of my company's customers here that makes a certain equipment for coal mining companies in Indonesia; their order is slowing down because chinese ships filled with coal are lined up anchored just offshore and pressing prices down.
http://www.shanghaiexpat.com/phpbbforum/resources/image/24638
I'd say the ball's in motion
This was TOO funny!!!
Chinese Reporter Mistakes Male Masturbation Toy as Rare Mushroom (http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/videos/chinese-reporter-mistakes-male-masturbation-toy-as-rare-mushroom.html)
On June 17th, Xi’an TV’s “Xi’an Up Close” program broadcasted a piece of local news. At first the anchorperson claimed that an old Xi’an farmer was digging a well in his hometown, and when the well reached close to 100 meters depth, a strange plant was uncovered and dug out. The correspondent on camera said the villagers told her they had dug out a fleshy plant-like object, and the nearly 80-year-old elderly man also said he had never seen such strange a thing. The villagers interviewed said they too didn’t know what it is, that the fleshy thing even had a nose and an eye. When the female reporter saw the object, she described it as something very much like a fungus, with both ends being in the shape of mushroom heads. Then she picked it up pinched and prodded it over and over again, saying the top end of the mushroom head was a mouth, and the bottom end had a small hole. She even said it felt very smooth and slippery. (HAHAHA) Local villagers said that they had searched online and discovered that this thing was called Taisui, a kind of lingzhi mushroom, upon which the reporter immediately gave an introduction and explanation about lingzhi mushrooms, before saying she would go find experts to have it identified.
http://img.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/china-xian-female-reporter-mistakes-male-masturbation-toy-as-rare-lingzhi-mushroom-01.jpg
LINK (http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/videos/chinese-reporter-mistakes-male-masturbation-toy-as-rare-mushroom.html)
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Oooh jstar, how deliciously sexist! The Daily Mail (that bastion of truthful reporting) had a great article on competitive beard growing being opened up to women in Los Angeles this year.
10099
Clearly from the photos in the original article (found here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2164331/LA-Beard-Moustache-Championships-2012-Equality-sexes-women-join-contest.html) the women designed faux facial hair, but read the comments. Some of these people (and from the article it would certainly sound like these are massively hirsute bearded ladies) actually believe that this is real. Many are uptight about it being a *sexist* issue. :P
China food wtf!
China's Food Fright
It's the law of the jungle in the food safety industry with hidden poisons now including new growth hormones
(Beijing) – There’s no denying that the gastronomic horizons of Chinese cuisines sometimes verge on the infinite. But on factors of food quality, there’s little subtlety or nuance over the level of safety standards.
In the past five years, the number of public food and drug safety scandals has hit new highs. In 2008, there was the tainted milk scandal. Then, this year’s poisoned medicine capsule case and contaminated cooking oil scandal signaled that there continue to be severe barriers to the adequate protection of public health.
With scandals now regularly uncovered in nearly every sector of food production, the industry as a whole appears to be under siege. Not long ago, a company in Foshan, Guangdong Province, was exposed by local media outlets of adding cancer-causing salt to food products. Across the country, the practice of spraying cabbage with formaldehyde remains a top concern. On pig farms, the use of the toxic additive clenbuterol in feed has also raised alarms.
Caixin has found that these publicized food safety scandals represent only a fraction of unsafe food production practices. Hundreds of chemical food additives are pumped into products that Chinese people consume every day.
Lack of Moderation
In the three-plus decades since China began reform and opening up, regulatory standards have not been able to keep up with the ingenuity of food manufacturers. (Ingenuity is not the word I'd use)
At the end of May 2012, the State Food and Drug Administration announced the results of inspections of nearly every pharmaceutical company. The report found that 5.8 percent of all capsules on drugstore shelves contained excessive levels of chromium, a toxic heavy metal substance. According to the report, 254 companies replaced edible gelatin with industrial grade gelatin when producing drug capsules. The number of firms accounted for more than 12 percent of total drug producers in the country.
Zhu Yi, a food safety expert at the China Agricultural University, said the discovery has implications that cross over to other industries. While medical products are more carefully monitored, the food and cosmetics industries receive even less government scrutiny.
The central government continues to expend a huge amount of resources quelling the panic that follows media reports of food safety scandals. In April 2011, the Ministry of Health issued a list of 47 possible toxic additives in the food system. However, food safety experts say such lists issued by the government are far from complete, adding that razor-thin profit margins among food producers continue to drive the use of toxic chemicals.
Full Article (http://english.caixin.com/2012-06-20/100402817.html)
To a causal acquaintance Chinese would never admit their fears or concerns as this would cause a lose of face for China. However when I was living in China I would hear so much more than what ever gets reported. I know first hand of pigment companies using industrial pigments and dyes for export cosmetics with falsified government test certificates for containments and heavy metals.
Some forum members have mentioned I was traumatised by China. No, I'm not traumatised, not at all. China is very good at crafting a positive image of itself while hiding these things of great concern from the general public. I hear people telling me how great is China and China is the same as Kung Fu Panda, when it isn't. There ARE many great things about China, but this corruption by companies with little morals are affecting us all, with imported Chinese food, personal care and cosmetic products, medicines and other items we assume are safe.
China's economy is sliding and as it does Chinese companies will do more and more to protect their profits without regard to peoples health and well being.
China's economy.
Remember the US before the crash?? All the little warning bells were ringing, but everything is ok people said.
Bad Loan Problem Spreading across Country, Banker Says
Guangdong and Inner Mongolia can be added to the list of places witnessing a surge in NPLs
(Wenzhou) – The resurgence of bad loans is not only a regional issue but a national problem, an executive at a joint-stock bank says.The ratio of all but two commercial banks' non-performing loans (NPLs) to small and medium-sized enterprises hit 2 percent, he said.
The exceptions were China Minsheng Bank and Shenzhen Development Bank.Ratings agency Standard & Poor's estimates that the figure will increase by two to three percentage points this year as the economic slowdown weighs on corporate balance sheets.Zhejiang Province's entrepreneurial hub of Wenzhou has seen a rise of NPLs this year, and the Pearl River Delta, a manufacturing base in the southeast, is also seeing more SMEs default on bank loans.Many companies in Guangzhou have had difficulty repaying bank loans because "their financial conditions are deteriorating as a result of various factors such as a lack of orders and disruptions to electricity supply," a risk manager at a major bank said.
The economic growth rates for all but two districts in Guangdong's capital in the first half of this year fell from the same month last year, a source at the city's tax bureau said.The number of NPL at banks in the delta was rising, a client manager at Bank of China said, citing the insolvency of a few real estate projects in Huizhou, which borders Guangzhou.
However, the problems related to the bad loans were temporary and confined to small regions, another senior bank executive noted. They have not yet become a systemic risk to the banking sector and were unlikely to spread immediately to other parts of China, he said.On average, the percentage of bad loans at all Chinese banks was roughly 1 percent last year. Even if it rises by half, he said, this "is still not high measured against other countries."NPLs were also on the rise in an inland region. Banks in Inner Mongolia were having a hard time getting repaid for loans they made.
Many were facing pressure related to NPLs as defaults became more common among SME borrowers, a credit manager at a city commercial bank said.Most SMEs in Inner Mongolia were involved with either coal mining or property development. Those that bet on the latter would lose the most, the credit manager said.
FULL ARTICLE (http://english.caixin.com/2012-06-27/100404570.html)
This article was just too good to pass up for our WTF thread.
Behold! Christ's grave in Shingo, Aomori Prefecture
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fv20111225a1.html#.T-0UqBwyBCc
From the article: "The pamphlet goes on to explain that, according to this testament, Christ first visited Japan between the ages of 21 and 33 (the Bible does in fact skip over large periods of Christ's early life, and many theories exist about what he did in the intervals). The document claims he studied the native language and culture before returning to Jerusalem, where he was crucified. Only it wasn't really him who was crucified. His younger brother, Isukiri (who makes no appearance in the Bible), nobly took his place on the cross, pretending to be the Son of God, while the real Christ fled to Siberia.
A few years later, via Alaska, he arrived at the port of Hachinohe, just 40 km from Shingo. He made his way to the village, where he married, had three children, and lived to the age of 106."
And also: "Having absorbed this strange tale, I went back down the hill and crossed the street to a little produce shop called Christop to see what locals made of it all. I bought a bag of wild grapes and sat down for a cup of coffee with Mariko Hosokawa, 58, and Yoshie Okuyama, 68, who were minding the shop. Both were born and raised in Shingo.
So did they believe the legend?
"It's the central element of our tourist industry. If you don't believe, you won't be saved," said Hosokawa, rather cryptically."
So apparently, these people have something in common with Mormon theology. It appears that Jesus came to the New World via Siberia then backtracked to Japan to live out his final days as a rice farmer.
I particularly love that last line and the fact that the shop's name is "Christop". Classic.
remember this ad?
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omg!!!!! That's cool!
When I was living in Shanghai I once had a Chinese guy ask me if "taking a dump" means buying or making dumplings, I said yes to the latter, and I told him I make dumplings everyday, sometimes more. He was very happy about this as he was reminded of how he and family make dumplings together..
he also wanted to try some of mine.
True story
I never did tell him otherwise so my guess is whenever he made dumplings with his family he would announce to everyone how he and his family had a dump together.
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WTF!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SicgY80BRuM
Meanwhile in America
Alabama pastor holds ‘whites only’ conference
A controversial pastor's conference welcoming only "white Christians" is underway in Lamar County, Ala., upsetting residents of the nearby town of Winfield in the western part of the state.
Christian Identity Ministries is holding a three-day conference for so-called "white Christians" who contend they have been treated unfairly, the Rev. Mel Lewis told local TV station WSFA (http://www.wsfa.com/story/18952777/pastors-conference-for-white-christians-underway). Lewis, the organizer and keynote speaker, says they have the right, like any other Americans, to worship how they wish.
Ku Klux Klan flags and white supremacy slogans surround the conference, which will conclude with a cross being set on fire Friday night. Organizers say it's not a cross-burning, but rather sacred Christian cross lighting.
"We are not breaking any laws. We're not violating any ordinances. We're bringing the Word of God to people who want it, obviously, or they wouldn't be here," Lewis told the TV station.
Lewis said of the conference-goers: "They are part of the chosen race."
The mayor of nearby Winfield said residents are upset, and the event does not represent their town in any way.
"Business people are upset. The city is upset. The city of Winfield does not condone this," Winfield Mayor Wayne Silas told another local TV station, WECT. (http://www.wect.com/story/18954616/flier-for-whites-only-pastors-conference-has-residents-upset)
"It's surprising to see something like that in our town," said Tyler Cantrell. "I know it's been here in the past."
Organizers say their ministry is not a hate group and that although there is a strong KKK presence, the Klan did not sponsor the event.
LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/alabama-pastor-hold-whites-only-conference-162845760.html)
Wait for it, there's more WTF
Seems these White Christians don't seem to know that Jesus was a Jew from the Middle East and looked probably something like this...
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5 Signs China Is a Ticking Time Bomb
By Matthew Weinschenk of Wall Street Daily
“China is a political and social time bomb.” So says Karim Rahemtulla in his book Where In the World Should I Invest? (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1118171918/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1118171918&linkCode=as2&tag=econforeopin-20&l=as2&o=1&a=1118171918)
And I believe the time bomb is ticking louder…
Before the financial crisis, no other investment story was more exciting than China. The story seemed to write itself: What happens when you add a billion consumers to an economy? Every day millions move from farms to the cities. And so on.
But the financial crisis and recession in the United States stuck a pin in the China bubble and showed that China’s growth was not as robust as many had thought. In fact, it was fragile – dependent on its exports and government stimulus.
Now, after the Chinese stock markets have been stalled for nearly three years, some wonder if the growth story is ready to resume. So I thought it would be a good time to give you five reasons why I’m scared of Chinese stocks now more than ever…
Reason #1: No Momentum
A true sign of a healthy market is the ability to heal itself after a big shake-up. For instance, while U.S. markets had rebounded since 2009 before the crisis in Europe led to a pullback, China has seen no such advance. As measured by the Shanghai Composite Index, China’s market peaked in 2008 before falling 72%. Since then, it’s only rallied back to within 34% of its high. Compare that to the S&P 500, which fell 56% and rallied back to within 8% of its high.
If you’re more concerned with GDP numbers than stock returns, China’s GDP growth dropped in 2008 before immediately jumping back up to 11.9%. But since then, it’s seen a nearly straight decline to 8.1%.
Reason #2: Cracks in the Political Façade
China’s human rights record has always been questionable. But thanks to democratized technology and increasing confidence amongst its population, stories of official corruption and mistreatment of dissidents seem to be on the rise and gaining international exposure. Over the last few months, we’ve seen several headlines gaining worldwide attention. Here are just a few…
Chen Guangcheng, a blind activist and lawyer, was allowed to move to the United States after he had been under house arrest. He used YouTube to plead for help to escape abusive authorities, leading Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, to get involved during a diplomatic trip to China.
After being confined to Beijing for a year, artist, Ai Wei Wei, was recently released, though he’s still barred from leaving China. Ai first attracted the ire of the Communist Party by investigating the collapse of school buildings after the Sichuan earthquake in 2012. But the Chinese state has been unable to silence him as Ai uses Twitter to get his message out to over 100,000 followers.
Then there’s Bo Xilai, who was considered a candidate for the nine-member committee that rules China and a future candidate for President. In March, Bo was dismissed from his post after an investigation began concerning corruption, wire-tapping and the poisoning of a British powerbroker who linked Chinese officials to western companies.
Now, the exposure of this corruption could, in the long term, be a good thing for China. But it caused a lot of unrest as the story broke, since China shut down 16 websites, including popular Chinese versions of Twitter.
Reason #3: What Kind of Government Is This?
Recently, John Hempton, a hedge fund manager who has successfully shorted several fraudulent Chinese companies, wrote a popular diatribe revealing the Chinese government as a giant kleptocracy.
His argument boils down to the following logic. First, the one-child policy leads Chinese citizens to accumulate savings at a high rate, since they won’t have many children or grandchildren to support them. But citizens have extremely limited options for investing those savings. The best option is often savings accounts that pay only 1% (which is a negative return when you consider inflation).
Then all these savings are turned into incredibly cheap financing for State-Owned Enterprises, which are then looted gratuitously by the party elite. (Check out the headquarters of Harbin Pharmaceutical posted by Business Insider to see what I mean.)
It’s worth mentioning that Hempton’s piece reads more like a personal essay than investigative journalism. So he doesn’t quite prove the level of corruption he alleges. But he does lay a framework for just how widespread corruption in the Chinese government might be. Plus, when a major world economy starts being referred to as a “mafia state,” that’s enough to raise serious questions for me.
Reason #4: Corporate Corruption is Just as Bad
I’ve written before about fraudulent Chinese companies that list in the United States and supply fictitious financial statements. The problem is, the executives and party insiders who benefit from these scams get off scot-free, with no investigations or criminal charges. So if you’re a connected Chinese elite, there’s no reason not to dupe gullible U.S. investors.
Reason #5: Qualities Over Quantities
What’s most perplexing about these Chinese risk factors is that they are unquantifiable. There’s no way to measure corruption or political unrest that could give us some sort of mathematical handle on what’s in store for China.
In the end, China’s future will depend on the delicate interplay between the government, dissidents and the actors in the “free” markets.
The only thing we know for sure is that with tensions rising, China’s market is in a state of elevated risk. And as an investor, it’s not a risk worth taking.
LINK (http://www.econmatters.com/2012/07/5-signs-china-is-ticking-time-bomb.html)
As I said before, I am tired of Indonesians telling me how great is China's economy, and for years I've been saying its all being done with smoke and mirrors. Now is Indonesia's chance to stand up and be noticed for all the right reasons, if Indonesia had a strong enough government to make this happen.
Apple's China Challenge: Fighting Counterfeiters
About 150 million counterfeit mobile phones are expected to ship in 2013 -- accounting for 14% of the handset market in Asia Pacific.
By Karen Haslam Jul 7, 2012 11:04 AM
With an anticipated 150 million counterfeit mobile phones (http://www.pcworld.com/article/240961/fake_iphone_ring_reportedly_busted_in_china.html?t k=rel_news) predicted to be shipped in 2013 -- accounting for 14 percent of the handset market in Asia Pacific -- it is crucial that Apple enhances its imprint in China, but the Chinese government may be holding back Apple's expansion in the country that has 1.3 billion inhabitants.
To date Apple has six stores in China, two in Beijing, three in Shanghai, and one in Hong Kong. This number is far below the 25 stores Apple's former retail head Ron Johnson predicted the company would have by this year.
According to a report, the pace of Apple's retail expansion in China may be hampered by red tape. Andrew Milroy, vice president of ICT Research for Asia-Pacific at Frost & Sullivan in Singapore told Reuters (http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/04/us-apple-china-idINBRE86309T20120704): "There are complications around opening stores in China that you don't get in Western countries."
While the pace of Apple's expansion plans in China are slowed by this red tape, a number of fake Apple stores (http://www.pcworld.com/article/236143/a_peek_into_probable_fake_apple_stores_in_china.ht ml?tk=rel_news) have opened selling fake Apple products. (See also "Chinese Knockoffs: Fake iPhones and Strange Sights at a Shenzhen Market." (http://www.pcworld.com/article/193074/chinese_knockoffs_fake_iphones_and_strange_sights_ at_a_shenzhen_market.html?tk=rel_news))
ArcChart has analyzed the growing market for illegally produced grey mobile phones. According to their figures, by 2013 there will be 150 million shipments of counterfeit mobile phones. These will account for 14 per cent of the overall handset market in several Asia Pacific markets and a worldwide average of seven per cent.
LINK (http://www.pcworld.com/printable/article/id,258859/printable.html)
China has always protected its fake industry as it comprises about 8 to 10% of its GDP and with the decline of exports and its economy in trouble China will continue to ignore demands for tighter control of intellectual property. This cannot go on forever and the time is rapidly approaching when China will implode into the mess that it is.
Missnaughty
08-07-12, 05:26
I like your say #131. I wish and have a big hope as investment atsmosphere getting colder in China, all the investor will put their money here in Indonesia.
I like your say #131. I wish and have a big hope as investment atsmosphere getting colder in China, all the investor will put their money here in Indonesia.
Yep, me too.
Here is another WTF from China
Today's topic is ... how you can find a rich husband
Shanghai Daily, July 10, 2012
A class that claims to teach women how to marry multimillionaires and costs more than 10,000 yuan (US$1,570) has attracted a dozen students in a city in China's southwest.
The class in Chengdu is being taught by a 42-year-old woman named Su Fei who says she married a multimillionaire when she was 37. Su promises to provide opportunities for her students to meet rich men as part of the course, Chengdu Business Daily reported.
The newspaper said classes began on Sunday in the provincial capital of Sichuan after a successful run in Shenzhen, Guangdong Province, seven years ago when more than 100 women applied to attend similar lessons.
Fewer women applied for the class this time, probably because women in Chengdu aren't under so much pressure and not so eager to marry rich men, Su told the newspaper.
Her lessons cover topics such as how to approach rich men, how to date them, when to begin an intimate relationship and how to receive gifts, the newspaper said. "If you want to approach a rich man, learn his hobbies and venues he would frequently visit. Then you pretend to meet him at the venues accidentally and you happen to have the same hobbies," Su tells her students.
"During the first date, you should choose a seat carefully to let the light illuminate behind you at an angle of 30 to 45 degrees. This will make your face look prettier," Su says.
The course teaches the women not to order very expensive food at high-end restaurants or accept luxury gifts. It says that rich men usually favor teachers, doctors and civil servants and dislike flight attendants, journalists and shop owners.
"If a multimillionaire dates you for two years and still doesn't plan to marry you, then you probably don't have the chance to be his wife," Su says. "It's important to control the pace during dating to marry him in one year. It's not wise to have an intimate relationship in the first two months."
Her students told the newspaper the classes were worth it to get a chance to marry into wealth. A 44-year-old woman surnamed Qi said she paid 20,000 yuan to become a VIP in the course to get closer to rich men.
The classes follow a series of competitions across the country in which rich men were choosing their future wives from thousands of female applicants.
LINK (http://www.china.org.cn/china/2012-07/10/content_25865237.htm)
5 Signs China Is a Ticking Time Bomb
By Matthew Weinschenk of Wall Street Daily
“China is a political and social time bomb.” So says Karim Rahemtulla in his book Where In the World Should I Invest? (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1118171918/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1118171918&linkCode=as2&tag=econforeopin-20&l=as2&o=1&a=1118171918)
And I believe the time bomb is ticking louder…
Before the financial crisis, no other investment story was more exciting than China. The story seemed to write itself: What happens when you add a billion consumers to an economy? Every day millions move from farms to the cities. And so on.
But the financial crisis and recession in the United States stuck a pin in the China bubble and showed that China’s growth was not as robust as many had thought. In fact, it was fragile – dependent on its exports and government stimulus.
Now, after the Chinese stock markets have been stalled for nearly three years, some wonder if the growth story is ready to resume. So I thought it would be a good time to give you five reasons why I’m scared of Chinese stocks now more than ever…
Reason #1: No Momentum
A true sign of a healthy market is the ability to heal itself after a big shake-up. For instance, while U.S. markets had rebounded since 2009 before the crisis in Europe led to a pullback, China has seen no such advance. As measured by the Shanghai Composite Index, China’s market peaked in 2008 before falling 72%. Since then, it’s only rallied back to within 34% of its high. Compare that to the S&P 500, which fell 56% and rallied back to within 8% of its high.
If you’re more concerned with GDP numbers than stock returns, China’s GDP growth dropped in 2008 before immediately jumping back up to 11.9%. But since then, it’s seen a nearly straight decline to 8.1%.
Reason #2: Cracks in the Political Façade
China’s human rights record has always been questionable. But thanks to democratized technology and increasing confidence amongst its population, stories of official corruption and mistreatment of dissidents seem to be on the rise and gaining international exposure. Over the last few months, we’ve seen several headlines gaining worldwide attention. Here are just a few…
Chen Guangcheng, a blind activist and lawyer, was allowed to move to the United States after he had been under house arrest. He used YouTube to plead for help to escape abusive authorities, leading Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, to get involved during a diplomatic trip to China.
After being confined to Beijing for a year, artist, Ai Wei Wei, was recently released, though he’s still barred from leaving China. Ai first attracted the ire of the Communist Party by investigating the collapse of school buildings after the Sichuan earthquake in 2012. But the Chinese state has been unable to silence him as Ai uses Twitter to get his message out to over 100,000 followers.
Then there’s Bo Xilai, who was considered a candidate for the nine-member committee that rules China and a future candidate for President. In March, Bo was dismissed from his post after an investigation began concerning corruption, wire-tapping and the poisoning of a British powerbroker who linked Chinese officials to western companies.
Now, the exposure of this corruption could, in the long term, be a good thing for China. But it caused a lot of unrest as the story broke, since China shut down 16 websites, including popular Chinese versions of Twitter.
Reason #3: What Kind of Government Is This?
Recently, John Hempton, a hedge fund manager who has successfully shorted several fraudulent Chinese companies, wrote a popular diatribe revealing the Chinese government as a giant kleptocracy.
His argument boils down to the following logic. First, the one-child policy leads Chinese citizens to accumulate savings at a high rate, since they won’t have many children or grandchildren to support them. But citizens have extremely limited options for investing those savings. The best option is often savings accounts that pay only 1% (which is a negative return when you consider inflation).
Then all these savings are turned into incredibly cheap financing for State-Owned Enterprises, which are then looted gratuitously by the party elite. (Check out the headquarters of Harbin Pharmaceutical posted by Business Insider to see what I mean.)
It’s worth mentioning that Hempton’s piece reads more like a personal essay than investigative journalism. So he doesn’t quite prove the level of corruption he alleges. But he does lay a framework for just how widespread corruption in the Chinese government might be. Plus, when a major world economy starts being referred to as a “mafia state,” that’s enough to raise serious questions for me.
Reason #4: Corporate Corruption is Just as Bad
I’ve written before about fraudulent Chinese companies that list in the United States and supply fictitious financial statements. The problem is, the executives and party insiders who benefit from these scams get off scot-free, with no investigations or criminal charges. So if you’re a connected Chinese elite, there’s no reason not to dupe gullible U.S. investors.
Reason #5: Qualities Over Quantities
What’s most perplexing about these Chinese risk factors is that they are unquantifiable. There’s no way to measure corruption or political unrest that could give us some sort of mathematical handle on what’s in store for China.
In the end, China’s future will depend on the delicate interplay between the government, dissidents and the actors in the “free” markets.
The only thing we know for sure is that with tensions rising, China’s market is in a state of elevated risk. And as an investor, it’s not a risk worth taking.
LINK (http://www.econmatters.com/2012/07/5-signs-china-is-ticking-time-bomb.html)
As I said before, I am tired of Indonesians telling me how great is China's economy, and for years I've been saying its all being done with smoke and mirrors. Now is Indonesia's chance to stand up and be noticed for all the right reasons, if Indonesia had a strong enough government to make this happen.
All the problem for Indonesia (and many other country) reside in this sentence.
Anyway, I don't think Indonesia must follow the China way, but must create his own way. And it must take long time for he can find it in a matter of international business.
But still, before goes on International business now, their economy must be more strong, even that it will be a perfect replica of China and its present problem.
http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/stories/child-in-critical-condition-after-pneumatic-air-pump-stuck-in-anus.html
http://youtu.be/VxxLQyM-Tzc
hahaha
After a wild party there's always the mess and the hangover to suffer through and China's no different. China has enjoyed its economic party for over 20 years, whooping it up and spending money like a drunken bule on his company credit card at a Jakarta nightclub. The party is rapidly winding down in China for all those who are still thinking of being fashionably late. More and more news of the impending Chinese economic downturn are popping up with China running out of rabbits to pull out of the hat. China had been betting on the rest of the world to recover from its economic crises and a return of Chinese exports however China gambled and has lost.
China had been on a spending spree, building grandiose projects often for bragging rights than practicality in as much as a poor man winning a million dollars. Projects such as the useless Maglev train in Shanghai, the overly expensive show-off Beijing Olympics & Shanghai World Expo, high speed trains of questionable quality and now the Three Gorges mega-dam.
China’s new mega-dam is a mega-problem
(July 12, 2012) Almost 20 years in the making, China’s Three Gorges mega-dam was declared complete on July 4 when the last of its 32 generators went online, 10 years after the first turbine went into operation. There is no end in sight, however, for costs associated with the vast and controversial project, which remains closer to disaster than triumph.
By Patricia Adams of Probe International - This article appeared in Huffington Post Canada LINK (http://www.haohaoreport.com/l/36697)
At a ceremony to mark the completion of China’s monumental Three Gorges dam, Zhang Cheng, the general manager of China Yangtze Power, said “The complete operation of all the generators makes the Three Gorges dam the world’s largest hydropower project, and the largest base for clean energy.”
Zhang did not mention that the cost of the project (US$60 billion) had grown six-and-a-half times more than the original estimate of $9 billion approved in 1992 by the National People’s Congress. Earlier this year, a study presented at a symposium on the impact of the dam, suggested that the cost may be higher still.
Chinese officials admit that the constantly rising and falling reservoir level is triggering landslides in some 5,000 potential danger sites around the reservoir, requiring the evacuation of 300,000 people, over and above the 1.4 million already moved to make way for the dam’s 600 km-long reservoir. Meanwhile, a study by seismologists at the China Earthquake Administration indicates that the dam has “significantly increased” seismic activity 30-fold in a phenomenon called reservoir-induced seismicity.
While Chinese officials were quick to crow that the dam would harness the power of the Yangtze River to produce clean energy — the dam’s combined generating capacity is now at 22.5 gigawatts and provides 11 per cent of China’s hydroelectric capacity — it isn’t clear how long that will last.
Geologist Fan Xiao, of the Sichuan Geology and Mineral Bureau, says in a study that dam developers have gone wild building so many dams along the Yangtze that their combined reservoir volume will exceed the Yangtze’s flow. There simply isn’t enough water to fill all the dams to their designed capacity which will result, he says, in “an enormous waste of money.”
Even Cao Guangjing, chairman of China Three Gorges Project Corporation – the state-owned company responsible for the dam – acknowledges that his dam will face stiff competition for water as other dams are completed.
Meanwhile, the price per kilowatt of power produced by Three Gorges is four times higher than the national standard set by China’s State Electricity Regulatory Commission (SERC). Other costs remain harder to pin down, such as the project’s toll on livelihoods and the region’s geological stability as the risk of landslides continues to force more residents out.
Other costly problems continue to plague Three Gorges. Clear, silt-free water released from the dam has caused riverbanks to collapse, and the erosion of a section of the Yangtze riverbed downstream from the dam has increased ten-fold since the dam began storing water.
The economic costs of this altered hydrogeomorphology are enormous: last year, ships were beached for lack of water and China’s great Poyang and Dongting lakes shrank, depriving millions of their water and livelihoods.
Officials have always fallen back on the dam’s power to control floods to justify the project’s exorbitant price tag, but even that argument has grown flimsy. Officials now admit that the dam’s storage capacity is smaller than claimed and of questionable benefit in the event of a major flood.
The last generator might be connected, and the Three Gorges dam may now be declared finished, but never-ending expenditures to treat the problems it has caused will continue to remind Chinese citizens that the world’s largest dam may also be the world’s largest albatross.
WTF
The Chinese government is finding it harder to hide the truth of its failing economy
Chinese unemployment will become 'more severe', Wen Jiabao warns
China's job market could suffer a downturn and the government needs to step up efforts to create more positions, Premier Wen Jiabao said, underscoring official concerns about an economic slowdown.
"Currently and in the future, China's employment situation will become more complex and more severe," the official China Securities Journalquoted Wen as saying.
"The task of promoting full employment will be very heavy and we must make greater efforts to achieve it," he added.
Compared with 2008/09, when a sudden collapse of exports sent some 20m Chinese migrant workers homebound, China's job market has remained relatively tight so far this year, partly reflecting the country's demographic shifts.
But job cuts could be on the rise as small and medium-sized exporters are increasingly struggling with slackening orders, rapid wage increases and higher raw material costs.
Many college graduates are struggling to find jobs.
LINK (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/china-business/9407483/Chinese-unemployment-will-become-more-severe-Wen-Jiabao-warns.html)
Hombre de Maiz
19-07-12, 20:08
None of this surprises me. I've been a Sino-skeptic for years now.
I went to grad school a couple of years ago, and there were Asians of every stripe and persuasion among my classmates. I have to say that, as a national group, the Chinese were the most brain-dead and obviously-indoctrinated bunch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=1Mu_betPexI&NR=1
Haha yep!
I've seen many local night butterflies without their livery
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7165/6735983839_135347c633_m.jpg
Hi, good morning! I am surprise you are awake..
Hi, good morning! I am surprise you are awake..
Ya good morning, I'm surprised too wtf! However its the first day of what I call "Ramamaaf" and I want to go out and about :D
http://youtu.be/IybUFPimw_I
Holy crap, he got run over by a giant turd!
China censors coverage of deadly Beijing floods
Beijing authorities have reportedly ordered Chinese media to stick to positive news about record weekend floods, after the death of at least 37 people sparked fierce criticism of the government.
Censors also deleted microblog posts criticising the official response to the disaster in China's rapidly modernising capital, which came at a time of heightened political sensitivity ahead of a 10-yearly handover of power.
City propaganda chief Lu Wei told media outlets to stick to stories of "achievements worthy of praise and tears", the Beijing Times daily reported, as authorities tried to stem a tide of accusations that they failed to do enough.
Many Beijing residents took to the country's popular microblogs, or weibos, to complain that some of the deaths could have been prevented if better warnings had been issued and the city's ancient drainage systems modernised.
Full Story LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/china-censors-coverage-deadly-beijing-floods-064404487.html)
Perhaps if Beijing spent just a little of the 49 BILLION dollars it spent on the Olympics on "ancient" city drains and flood control some people would still be alive. A very good example of China wasting of money on show off glory projects instead of the people who are the 'people' of the People's Republic of China. Remember what happened here not so long ago when the people weren't taken care of in a crisis? When the recession hits China what do you think will happen?
WTF!
bilnovile09
28-07-12, 06:35
Bah, What The
America
Mississippi Church Refuses to Marry Black Couple
By ALON HARISH | ABC News
They had booked their wedding far in advance. The invitations had been sent, the programs printed. But one day before Charles and Te'Andrea Wilson were to be married at the Mississippi church they frequented, they said a pastor told them they would have to find another venue -- because they were black.
There has never been a black wedding at the First Baptist Church in Crystal Springs, Miss., since its founding in 1883. According to Pastor Stan Weatherford, some church members objected so strongly to breaking that precedent, they threatened to oust him from his pastorship.
Rather than risk his job, Weatherford, who is white, said he decided to marry the pair at a black church down the road.
"My 9-year-old was going to the church with us. How would you say to your 9-year-old daughter, 'We cannot get married here because, guess what sweetie, we're black,'" Charles Wilson told ABC's affiliate WAPT-TV.
Outrage over the wedding's forced relocation swept the Jackson suburb of about 5,000 into a media firestorm.
The vast majority of Crystal Springs residents, blacks and whites alike, were "blown away" by the church's decision, said Theresa Norwood, 48, who was born in Crystal Springs and has lived there her entire life.
Norwood said she believes Weatherford should have married the Wilsons regardless of the risk to his job.
"
That church was their home," she said. "What would Jesus have done? He would have married them, without a doubt, because it's the right thing to do. We're all God's children."
While the Wilsons were not members of the church, they often attended services there, and Te'Andrea's uncle is an employee of the church, and her father is a member. Charles Wilson told WAPT that the couple had planned to join as members after their wedding, which was held July 20.
Weatherford told WLBT-TV in Jackson that he would have liked to marry the couple as planned, but he decided to perform the ceremony elsewhere as a compromise to ensure that the Wilsons could be married while "addressing a need within our congregation."
LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/mississppi-church-refuses-marry-black-couple-205218322--abc-news-topstories.html)
WTF!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0p6QVBqAXA
America: This is a real 911 call to the police from a woman who got the wrong cheese burger order from Burger King. She wanted the police to come and make Burger King to make the burger correctly. When the 911 dispatcher refused to send the police the woman complained that the police are meant to protect her. The reply was "What are we protecting you from, a wrong cheeseburger?" lol!
WTF ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32UGD0fV45g&feature=colike
Russian TV
Probably the creepiest thing you will ever see...
China has gone (more) crazy over their obsession over white skin!
On Chinese Beaches, The Face-Kini Is In Fashion
http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2012/08/20/china_facekini2_custom-ac7e78d855d0a8d9d98abe1d88176d1a99534e02-s3.jpg?
In China, it's the height of the tourist season for Qingdao's famed beaches. But while many of the town's visitors want to enjoy the sand and water, they're not so wild about sunbathing. So they often resort to a local tradition: the face-kini, a sort of light cloth version of a ski mask.
LINK (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/08/20/159366234/on-chinese-beaches-the-face-kini-is-in-fashion)
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2i16mwnRD1r9rw6k.gif
Chinese women attended a ANTI JAPAN demonstration in China and when it was over she found her Nissan was vandalised!!
http://beijingcream.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Nissan-violated.jpeg
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2i16mwnRD1r9rw6k.gif
Chinese women attended a ANTI JAPAN demonstration in China and when it was over she found her Nissan was vandalised!!
Some people have so much consistency in their life!!!
Some people have so much consistency in their life!!!
It happened in Indonesia few years back. When they were having demonstration anti USA. But they drink coca cola when they were thirsty, or eat Mc Donalds, or listen to American music, or date an American :P.
Cute scene :D
Phil!!! how's your card game going? :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0p6QVBqAXA
America: This is a real 911 call to the police from a woman who got the wrong cheese burger order from Burger King. She wanted the police to come and make Burger King to make the burger correctly. When the 911 dispatcher refused to send the police the woman complained that the police are meant to protect her. The reply was "What are we protecting you from, a wrong cheeseburger?" lol!
WTF ??
Huahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaahah sooooo funny!
Phil!!! how's your card game going? :D
Just got a hard one! Need to restart it 3 time for being able to finish it! :P
Just got a hard one! Need to restart it 3 time for being able to finish it! :P
at least you've learned something from your work place hehe
China has gone (more) crazy over their obsession over white skin!
On Chinese Beaches, The Face-Kini Is In Fashion
http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2012/08/20/china_facekini2_custom-ac7e78d855d0a8d9d98abe1d88176d1a99534e02-s3.jpg?
In China, it's the height of the tourist season for Qingdao's famed beaches. But while many of the town's visitors want to enjoy the sand and water, they're not so wild about sunbathing. So they often resort to a local tradition: the face-kini, a sort of light cloth version of a ski mask.
Damn! I didn't see this thing two years ago in Qingdao, they only brought along their umbrellas to protect their skin from the sunlight when going to the beach!
WTF they're doing now??
Damn! I didn't see this thing two years ago in Qingdao, they only brought along their umbrellas to protect their skin from the sunlight when going to the beach!
WTF they're doing now??
Yeah, they are now doing this.
There's no limit to amount of stupid things that Mainland Chinese are capable of doing
China has gone (more) crazy over their obsession over white skin!
On Chinese Beaches, The Face-Kini Is In Fashion
http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2012/08/20/china_facekini2_custom-ac7e78d855d0a8d9d98abe1d88176d1a99534e02-s3.jpg?
In China, it's the height of the tourist season for Qingdao's famed beaches. But while many of the town's visitors want to enjoy the sand and water, they're not so wild about sunbathing. So they often resort to a local tradition: the face-kini, a sort of light cloth version of a ski mask.
LINK (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/08/20/159366234/on-chinese-beaches-the-face-kini-is-in-fashion)
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2i16mwnRD1r9rw6k.gif
Kinda takes the fun out of a trip to the beach!
Kinda takes the fun out of a trip to the beach!
She seems to be enjoying herself...
http://bentcorner.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/muslim-swim-ninja.jpg
...but who would know?
hahaha
She seems to be enjoying herself...
http://bentcorner.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/muslim-swim-ninja.jpg
...but who would know?
hahaha
"She"??? That's a mighty assumption.
"She"??? That's a mighty assumption.
He could be in for a shock later on haha
Yeah, they are now doing this.
There's no limit to amount of stupid things that Mainland Chinese are capable of doing
Oh, I couldn't agree more about it.
Hey Tihzho, the other day I was at home and I got a "What the fuck!"
I think it fit with you tread... there is the story:
It was while the lebaran holiday, I was at home playing with my little one.
My wife interrupt us by asking me to put the garbage on the road side.
At this point I must add, the in-law, including my wife, have kind of extreme fear of any garbage bin like if it's something that can jump to your face and kill you instantly.
I'm alright with the fact that it's something that we must not play with and after manipulate them we must wash hand. It's the basic of life!
But still, the garbage are emptied every day, it's not like if the were under the sun since a week with advance moisture! Anyway, they are afraid like hell to garbage bin.
back to the story...
I go on the back of the house and search for the garbage bag... and search again... never find any.
I go back in the house, and ask her: Where is the garbage bag?
She answer: In the sink, my mom put it in the sink, that is why I want you to get it out, now!
In the sink? WHAT THE FUCK!!!
With all the mess they make with the garbage bin... now they are putting it at the same place where we wash the dish! What is this!!!
I complain largely to my wife, and later she complain to her mom.
Now my mom in law is angry on me because I didn't appreciate that she "protect the garbage bag for being scattered on the floor by the cat" ~ That was her explanation!!!
WTF!
With all the mess they make with the garbage bin... now they are putting it at the same place where we wash the dish! What is this!!!
I complain largely to my wife, and later she complain to her mom.
Now my mom in law is angry on me because I didn't appreciate that she "protect the garbage bag for being scattered on the floor by the cat" ~ That was her explanation!!!
WTF!
I'm sorry Phillippe I had to laugh at this. What a "deadly" circle, hehehe...
I could understand your mom in law 'defense' that she was trying to protect the garbage bag for being scattered on the floor by the cat, because it is most likely to happen in every Indonesian's garbage bin, if you don't really 'protect' them from cats, they will mess it up. I guess she couldn't find any other ways or places to put the garbage bag safely. Perhaps in her mind it's out of the cat's reach.
I'm sorry Phillippe I had to laugh at this. What a "deadly" circle, hehehe...
I could understand your mom in law 'defense' that she was trying to protect the garbage bag for being scattered on the floor by the cat, because it is most likely to happen in every Indonesian's garbage bin, if you don't really 'protect' them from cats, they will mess it up. I guess she couldn't find any other ways or places to put the garbage bag safely. Perhaps in her mind it's out of the cat's reach.
1- It was in middle of the day, the cat make a mess at night not while the day!
2- I was at home all day long, she can had ask me directly to trow the garbage bag or even better go put it herself in the bin in front of the house... gooosh! you only need to open the gate and the bin is right there!!
3- Only keeping the bag close inside the bin is enough (while the day) to keep it protected from our cat and his the his 2 friends. Yah, our cat is a male and don't like being alone, if we relocate his "friend" he will find new one in less than a month, and one of the his "friend" will always be a female.
4- Putting the garbage bag in the sink will NEVER BE AN OPTION!
1- It was in middle of the day, the cat make a mess at night not while the day!
2- I was at home all day long, she can had ask me directly to trow the garbage bag or even better go put it herself in the bin in front of the house... gooosh! you only need to open the gate and the bin is right there!!
3- Only keeping the bag close inside the bin is enough (while the day) to keep it protected from our cat and his the his 2 friends. Yah, our cat is a male and don't like being alone, if we relocate his "friend" he will find new one in less than a month, and one of the his "friend" will always be a female.
4- Putting the garbage bag in the sink will NEVER BE AN OPTION!
1-2 Didn't know those were the conditions. Yes, it's WTF moment. :P
3 - :D
4 - Definitely not an option.
He could be in for a shock later on haha
hahahah that would be soooooooo funny :wink:
And now from Saudi Arabia
Egyptian designer runs afoul of Saudi princess, gets 500 lashes
CAIRO — Human-rights activists are demanding the release of Nagla Wafa, an Egyptian wedding planner and designer sentenced to 500 lashes and five years in prison in Saudi Arabia following a business dispute with a princess.
Wafa ran afoul of a royal in the Saudi kingdom over the finances of a joint business venture, according to her family. She was reportedly accused of cashing a check from the princess but not following through on their deal to start a restaurant.
“As of May of 2012, Ms. Wafa has been subjected, on a weekly basis, to 50 floggings per week within the ‘Al-Malz’ Prison. She currently faces 200 more floggings ... despite her suffering from distortions to her spine,” the Egyptian Organization for Human Rights said in an online statement.
Accusing Saudi Arabian authorities of unlawfully detaining the 39-year-old mother of teenage twins, the organization said the case was a “blatant violation” of human rights and filed a complaint with the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.
LINK (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/08/cairo-the-plight-of-nagla-wafa-an-egyptian-mother-sentenced-500-lashes-in-saudi-arabia-following-a-business-dispute-wit.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=99665)
Human rights in Saudi Arabia? Let's not lose our head...oops! haha
Chinese toddler's karaoke tantrum ends in bloodbath
A Chinese toddler's refusal to give up the microphone during a family karaoke evening started a quarrel that left two men hacked to death with a meat cleaver.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02323/karaoke_2323776b.jpg
The evening began jovially enough when Mr Yun, the owner of a noodle shop in the central Chinese city of Xi'an, invited his family to celebrate Qixi, China's Valentine's Day, with a singing session at a local karaoke parlour.
But by 11pm, there was discord in the room. Mr Yun's four-year-old son was hogging the microphone and his parents were indulging him.
Two of the boy's uncles began chastising Mr Yun and his wife for having raised a spoilt child; a "Little Emperor", as the Chinese say.
According to the Xi'an police, the argument became heated to the point where the two uncles began pushing, and then punching, Mr Yun.
Finally, Mr Yun's nephew, who also worked in the noodle shop, ran back to the restaurant and fetched a meat cleaver.
The man, named as Mr Hui, hacked the two uncles to death, inflicting at least ten wounds on each uncle. He has since been arrested.
There is no shortage of criticism inside China for the bad behaviour of the Little Emperors, the children raised under the one-child policy and doted on by their parents.
Karaoke, meanwhile, is taken very seriously not just in China, but throughout Asia, where singing rivals alcohol as a social lubricant.
Other karaoke massacres have taken place in the Philippines, where the Frank Sinatra song "My Way" has had to be removed from many songbooks after sub-standard renditions provoked a string of killings.
In Thailand, meanwhile, a man shot eight of his neighbours, including his brother-in-law, after tiring of their tuneless reprisals of John Denver's "Country Roads".
LINK (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9508353/Chinese-toddlers-karaoke-tantrum-ends-in-bloodbath.html)
Completely understandable
Spoiled kid.... that remember me a not so old tread :P
I keeping an eyes on the news, I'm sure one day it will have someone who will beat off a tuneless mosque singer (I read so many complain about them!!!)
Already have an expat who ever destroy the speaker of his nearby mosque...
http://keysendal.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img_23171.jpg
Mother of GOD! WTF!
I think there is a comma missing in their album title. ;)
I think there is a comma missing in their album title. ;)
oh I see, I already understand now.. OMG
I just look onto Tihzho signature: "from everyone is China" LOL
Of course China...again
The River Runs Red: Yangtze River In Chongqing Mysteriously Discolored (http://beijingcream.com/2012/09/the-river-runs-red-yangtze-river-in-chongqing-mysteriously-discolored/)http://beijingcream.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Yangtze-Red.jpeg
What the heck happened to the Yangtze River? Granted, part of the Yangtze is called the Tuotuo — derived from the Mongolian name that means frothy red river – but this is a little much.
On Thursday, residents of Chongqing woke up to find their beloved river the color of — pardon the dramatics — blood. Was Death heralding its arrival upon these shores? Would the end of our world bubble forth from these riparian banks?
Authorities are currently investigating. The coloration could be due to silt, or industrial pollutants — which wouldn’t surprise us, considering something similar happened two months ago in Wenzhou, Zhejiang province when a latex factory disgorged many tons of a milky colloid into the Quxi River.
LINK (http://beijingcream.com/2012/09/the-river-runs-red-yangtze-river-in-chongqing-mysteriously-discolored/#comment-40043)
Just how long can China just continue on like this and no one does anything about it?
Let's go karaoke.................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on tihzho i know you want it ;)
Let's go karaoke.................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on tihzho i know you want it ;)
WTF?
hahaha
10998
wtf????
was supposed to show the image, not a link.
10998
wtf????
was supposed to show the image, not a link.
You mean like this?
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10998&d=1347352776
What I did is wrapped your img url with [img ]http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10998&d=1347352776[/img ] don't put a space between the "g" and "]" - I did only so you could see the code.
And that's funny as hell and true!!! hahaha
Back to China. Read Kompas from one day or two ago that its journalist was dispatched to Beijing. He saw the smokes so thick that he could barely see the skycrapers. He asked the Chinese companion from a local institute sponsoring the visit, and the latter replied something like, "No, it's not smoke. It's just mist." Yet, wrote the Kompas newswriter, it felt painful in his chest. Painful-inducing mist? Now that's new.
http://www.angryduck.com/pictures/2012_7/I_Have_To_Ask.jpg
Too often, we lose sight of life's simple pleasures.
When someone annoys you it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown
BUT, it only takes 4 muscles ...
...to extend your arm and bitch-slap that motherF.....
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