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Hi everybody,
I want to ask muslem indonesians about their Idul Adha. Do you know why some people kill sheep or cow? Is it just tradition or they know the religious root? Do they give the lamb pieces to poor people? Do non-muslems suffer from what muslems do in Idul Adha?
Ask Natalia. She's posted that one of the "traditions" in north Jakarta is to have a blood colored river with with the stench of goat carcasses. Lovely.
While it's celebrated much more in the Muslim world, the story is actually from the Old Testament, which all of the Abrahamic faiths recognize. It's to celebrate Abraham being tested by God by being asked to sacrifice his one and only son. Just before he plunged the knife into the heart of his fruit of his loins, God produced a lamb to sacrifice instead. Thus sparing the child.
So Christians (not just Kristen), and Jews all over the world are also aware of the origin of this celebration.
While it's celebrated much more in the Muslim world, the story is actually from the Old Testament, which all of the Abrahamic faiths recognize. It's to celebrate Abraham being tested by God by being asked to sacrifice his one and only son. Just before he plunged the knife into the heart of his fruit of his loins, God produced a lamb to sacrifice instead. Thus sparing the child.
So Christians (not just Kristen), and Jews all over the world are also aware of the origin of this celebration.
You mean that Moslems didnt invent this festival ?
As I recall, the angel gabriel also told him to tell his people that they should worship at Mecca. This means that all peoples of the book should be allowed to worship there. This call to worship at mecca came a good 2,000 years before Mohammad came on the scene.
As I recall, the angel gabriel also told him to tell his people that they should worship at Mecca. This means that all peoples of the book should be allowed to worship there. This call to worship at mecca came a good 2,000 years before Mohammad came on the scene.
No way will the good people whom control Mecca ever allow anyone inside it's gates who hasn't been controlled and repressed or been given free thinking.
I mean whatever next, free thinking inside Islam??
To rabbit_39 :Thanks for the information, I didn't know Jews and Christians are aware of Idul Adha's origin.
Mina: Jews and Christians are aware of a lot more of Idul Adha's origin. The three main branches of Abrahamic faiths share some of the same holy writs.
Right, Rabbit. As much as Muslims like to think of themselves as different and original, the plain fact is that their faith is the newest branch in a much older tree. Not knowing that Jews and Christians share traditions with Islam is symptomatic of a profound ignorance about one's own religion and that of others.
Snooky: The main point for the OP that I'm glad to see is that she's interacting with people from different walks of life on this forum. And therefore learning about what is missing.
Right, Rabbit. As much as Muslims like to think of themselves as different and original, the plain fact is that their faith is the newest branch in a much older tree. Not knowing that Jews and Christians share traditions with Islam is symptomatic of a profound ignorance about one's own religion and that of others.
I am not thinking muslems are different and original. Islam is not the newest branch in the religions tree. If you think religions are similar to different branches how can they share something? I don't know everything about my religion but I know if I don't know something it doesn't mean that all the muslems don't know that. New prophets approved previous prophets. It is better to establish a harmony between religions in this forum rather than trying to seprate them. Harmony between races is not enough. Snooky, I know my post about killing son in" how to adapt to life in Jakarta?" disturbed your feelings. I apologise you if I hurt your feeling. Let's forget it. Rabbit explained Ibrahims examination by God in better way with better english words than me. It is better to delete "lovely" from your post(2) in this thread. Both of us know that it was not lovely. Was it?
benederlof
15-12-11, 01:55
Hi mina:
Are you from Iran, have you done the pilgremage to Mecca already? When I was in Turkey, I was having a beer with the harbor master, and I said to him " you are lucky to live so close to Mecca, it doesn't cost you much to fly there" and he replied "what, why should I make those Saudies richer, I don't have to go to Mecca, because Allah lives within me."
I, being a christian (catholic) had exactly the same thought. As a young lad I was forced to go to confession on saturdays and mass on sundays, listening to those boring preachings meant for aduits, while my muslim friends were able to play soccer or with kites.
So in my later years I just quit going to church, I was also told by the pastor that jesus lives within you. So my point is, you don't have to know much about religion, the main thing is to follow the golden rule, be a good person and help the needy, like god (allah or Jesus) ask from you. No need to become a fanatic in any religion. Salam aleikum.
No problem, Mina. I don't believe in those fairy tales, but it does make me depressed about the level of maturity of the human race as a whole that in this day and age when stories like that are taken as gospel and still inform relationships among human beings. If this Ibrahim guy were alive today, he would have ben sent to a mental institution and the authorities would have charged him with child abuse and attempted assault. If I told you that I heard voices telling me to slit the throat of a child, you'd react just the same. If this thing that you call "faith" allows for such monstrosities and abominations, then it is "faith" that must be rejected. I just shudder when this information comes as a surprise to a person like you who has travelled outside your own country, speak a world language like English and have access to information and the internet. Now image the amount and depth of knowledge among the unwashed masses! Very scary.
think_tank
15-12-11, 09:34
No problem, Mina. I don't believe in those fairy tales, but it does make me depressed about the level of maturity of the human race as a whole that in this day and age when stories like that are taken as gospel and still inform relationships among human beings. If this Ibrahim guy were alive today, he would have ben sent to a mental institution and the authorities would have charged him with child abuse and attempted assault. If I told you that I heard voices telling me to slit the throat of a child, you'd react just the same. If this thing that you call "faith" allows for such monstrosities and abominations, then it is "faith" that must be rejected. I just shudder when this information comes as a surprise to a person like you who has travelled outside your own country, speak a world language like English and have access to information and the internet. Now image the amount and depth of knowledge among the unwashed masses! Very scary.
Just because something that happened 3000 years ago doesn't match with our 21st century ethics doesn't mean everything relating to it should be thrown in the trash. If you look deeper into this story you will see the point is God didn't want Abraham's son's life, it was just a demonstration of both Abraham and his son's dedication to God.
Maybe in 3000 years from now some people will disregard anything we had to say or anything we learned in our time because "those people were still killing each other over oil" or maybe "they were the ones who suicidally destroyed the ozone layer even though they knew full well what they were doing". Who knows. That doesn't mean that everything we know know now and the morals we learn from our endeavors are rat's bum.
We are only here for a short time on this earth and if we can say one thing about the story of Abraham, anything that lasts for 3000 years must be worth something. How many things that happen to our generation will be remembered and treasured for over 3000 years?
Peace out,
T_T
Hi mina:
Are you from Iran, have you done the pilgremage to Mecca already? When I was in Turkey, I was having a beer with the harbor master, and I said to him " you are lucky to live so close to Mecca, it doesn't cost you much to fly there" and he replied "what, why should I make those Saudies richer, I don't have to go to Mecca, because Allah lives within me."
I, being a christian (catholic) had exactly the same thought. As a young lad I was forced to go to confession on saturdays and mass on sundays, listening to those boring preachings meant for aduits, while my muslim friends were able to play soccer or with kites.
So in my later years I just quit going to church, I was also told by the pastor that jesus lives within you. So my point is, you don't have to know much about religion, the main thing is to follow the golden rule, be a good person and help the needy, like god (allah or Jesus) ask from you. No need to become a fanatic in any religion. Salam aleikum.
Hi benederlof,
I haven't done the pilgremage to Mecca yet. I agree with your friend, Allah is closer than our necks's blood vessles to us. Most of the people find it when they are in trouble. Your golden rule is similar to what Zartosht believed. Our ancients before Islam believe in good thought,good behaviour and telling good words in their life which founded by Zartosht .Still some iranians are Zartosht followers. I found those few iranians really nice people.I think it will be intresting for you to visit the link about Zartosht:
http://www.iransara.info/zartosht.htm
In English it is called Zoroastrianism.
In English it is called Zoroastrianism.
Thanks Snooky.
Bismillahirrahmanirrahim Asyhadu Alla Ilaha Illallah Wa Asyhadu Anna Muhammadar Rasulullah Allah Akbar
Bismillahirrahmanirrahim Asyhadu Alla Ilaha Illallah Wa Asyhadu Anna Muhammadar Rasulullah Allah Akbar
Let's just say that for the majority of humanity the jury is still out on that one.
Religions: Christian 33.35% (of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, non-religious 9.42%, atheists 2.04%
source: index mundi 2011
The Muslim profession of faith, the kalimat syahadat, puts forth five claims and assumptions:
gods exist;
there is only one god;
that the only god is Allah;
that Mohammad is his prophet; and
implicitly and/or by associated belief and practice, that Mohammad is the last prophet.
Are you sure only atheists disagree with all of that?
No but I am sure of one thing. You are too easy. It's like fish in a barrel. ahahahahahaha
oh and by the way it does add up to 100% use calculator buddy. Cheers
Religions: Christian 33.35% (of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, non-religious 9.42%, atheists 2.04%
source: index mundi 2011
I'm with the 9.42% . If i can't see it , touch it, smell it or hear it . Then it's up to someone to prove it to me. Beyond reasonable doubt.
Taufik Subarkah
17-12-11, 06:37
hi,
link below is only a series of shooting events Eid al-Adha. I just wanted to express.history that continues echoed indeed originated from the command to the prophetibrahim sacrifice his son. then replaced sheep ... to convey the meaning of Eid al-Adha is shared. share for all. share what we have for human needs, without distinction. so beautiful when it can actually be implemented in every life ...
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2227910503333.2113652.1414944357&type=3
waarmstrong
17-12-11, 11:01
The "space" key on your smart phone does not seem to be working, Taufik.
Welcome to the Forum, BTW.
Ya looking for something different to replace the over-used-for-years religious dogma.
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