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I looked at this new car today...it is the latest top model in the Avanza line-up with a 1.5 engine; ABS brakes and a better suspension system. The styling is also nicer than my 2 year old model.
At Rp 180.200,000 for the A/T version, I thought it was good value and ordered one.
The sales girl told us it will be delivered next August.
Jeez...thats a long time to wait.......so I guess it must be very popular.
waarmstrong
09-12-11, 19:55
The Innova is new as well, but I bought a leftover of the prior model -- big discount, no waiting.
Really like its Daihatsu sibling. Saw them both at KG mall.
Innova bit too big for me.
But Honda Freed with sliding doors isn't bad either, with its pilot seats.
waarmstrong
09-12-11, 23:56
What new about them?
Not much. The big difference in the Innova is the V model comes with a DVD player in a center roof console. The drive train, from the glossy handouts, seems to be unchanged. The salesman pointed out some differences in the front grill, but I would not have noticed without his prompting. (I suspect the LV bag crowd can tell the difference at 100 yards.)
Anyway mine is already scratched up, so I guess we are stuck with it.
The Innova is new as well, but I bought a leftover of the prior model -- big discount, no waiting.
Waarmstrong, on what price did you get it?
Missnaughty
10-12-11, 08:17
Avanza is very popular. I bought a second hand avanza for 90mill, sold it for 114mill 2 mos later. I couldnt stand thinking somebody elses used the car before.. Got a new avanza for 126mill, sold it for 131mill 6 mos later.. Yea.. This time.. Because i decided to drive myself. Imagine me driving an avanza.. no way!.... But it's a good reliable car, good in petrol, and hold it's value.
This seems common here. The "all-new" models are not new at all. Some old thing with new cosmetic plastics.
Really like its Daihatsu sibling. Saw them both at KG mall.
Innova bit too big for me.
But Honda Freed with sliding doors isn't bad either, with its pilot seats.
Jstar...I also looked at the Honda Freed because I like that sliding door but I can buy 2 Avanza's for the same price....apples and oranges. Price, for me, is more important than the feature.
Agreed....the Innova is a bit big and also looks pedestrian...hopefully, they will change the styling soon and the Innove Kijang, as we know it, will become a dinosaur car.
I believe all Toyotas in RI are manufactured at the Diahatsu plant...they are the same Company...different badges. The Avanza Veloz model is not in the Daihatsu line-up......it must be some marketing strategy that I don't get. Why market 2 similar cars, from the same company and attempt to hoodwink the customer about quality and price. To me, it makes no sense...maybe its an Japanese thing...brand names are a big deal in Japan.
They do that for the Rush/Terios also. I don't think anyone is hoodwinked.
They do that for the Rush/Terios also. I don't think anyone is hoodwinked.
you are right Snooky....but, if no-one is hoodwinked, does anyone know or can even guess why a major company would try this form of branding? I don't get it.
Today's business news show that Toyota has slipped from being the world's leading automobile manufacturer, it forecasts a 54% drop in annual profit...mainly because of the flooding of their plant in Thailand...they lost something like 1/4 million cars
The RI Gov't, just yesterday, offered tax holidays for 56 major industries to operate in Indonesia,
What a great opportunity for Toyota Astra to open another manufacturing plant in RI.
Tax holiday? Are high taxes the reason foreign companies are reluctant to do business in Indo?
waarmstrong
10-12-11, 11:46
Waarmstrong, on what price did you get it?
Very Indonesian question. We bought our Innova for about 50 juta less than the price of the new model, but, of course, we got no DVD player.
Tax holiday? Are high taxes the reason foreign companies are reluctant to do business in Indo?
Oh! I don't know Snooky...I just read news, and have opinions, but not smart enough to answer specific questions.
I do have knowledge of my Canadian friend who had a chemical company in Java and gave up because of red-tape bureaucracy and graft, but that was some 10 years ago.
I'm attempting to wean him back because, imo, Indonesia is now at a stage to have great investment potential.
Davita, I studied Industrial Management so I can tell you that tax rates are only one of lots of factors that a company considers when setting up shop in a location. Other factors that probably matter more is corruption and contracts enforcement, electricity, roads and ports and an educated workforce & labor laws. My reading is that Indonesia is not very competitive from all of those angles.
Ok Snooky...you appear to have the knowledge I lack...good luck.
waarmstrong
10-12-11, 12:19
....the Innova is a bit big and also looks pedestrian...hopefully, they will change the styling soon and the Innove Kijang, as we know it, will become a dinosaur car...
Pedestrian it is. Those who wish to pay extra for styling, be my guest. We bought one because it is big -- big family, big 8 passenger car.
Dinosaur? If a big meteor is detected on a collision course with Earth, let me know so I can sell my Innova before it becomes extinct. Actually, another reason for choosing the Innova is that it holds its value better than most. It may be the ubiquitous family "station wagon" of Indonesian and too stogy for some, but vehicle-wise just call me Fred Flintstone.
If that's the case, why didn't you go for a Daihatsu Luxio or GrandMax?
Pedestrian it is. Those who wish to pay extra for styling, be my guest. We bought one because it is big -- big family, big 8 passenger car.
Dinosaur? If a big meteor is detected on a collision course with Earth, let me know so I can sell my Innova before it becomes extinct. Actually, another reason for choosing the Innova is that it holds its value better than most. It may be the ubiquitous family "station wagon" of Indonesian and too stogy for some, but vehicle-wise just call me Fred Flintstone.
ha ha ha...OK FRED... If I see you at a x'ing.....I'll ask my driver to stop and wave you on...just like I used to do to anyone in a Bentley. I'd stand...salute....and say "You first"
But seriously you are right and I agree...it's a means of transport...who cares so long as it does the job.
I'm influenced by "You Know Who!" and She must be obeyed.
waarmstrong
10-12-11, 12:58
If that's the case, why didn't you go for a Daihatsu Luxio or GrandMax?
We chose a Toyota over a Daihatsu, due to resale value, primarily. They are not the same in the eyes of the used car buying public. Maybe it’s just me, but the ride seems a bit smoother and the Innova is quieter.
I opted for the Daihatsu Zenia over the Toyota Avanza and was made quite aware that they come from the 'same stable; so to speak. An on board DVD Player I consider an unnecessary extra though I am disappointed to be troubled to replace the existing old fashioned radio/cassette in order to install a system to play my CDs and MP3 music/
If I could afford the Honda Freed, it is probably worth the money, but I could not stretch to it and the last of the old models of Zenia was within my budget (rather than the new release models requiring a wait and higher price).
I think Mazda have some nice models which are hybrid in the market between Avanza/Zenia and the Freed and not the people carriers such as the Gran Max, Luxio and the like. My name is not boy Gonzales and I do not have a large family to transport while having to drive a number of broken roads as well as the occasional good one.
They do that for the Rush/Terios also
Like them but a friend in Europe has a RAV4 (Rush) and he isn't happy; they do a face-lift every year now. Probably because of the throat cutting competition in that class (X1, Quashqai, Grand Vitara, ASX, CRV, etc.). And the car is really aging.
It's kind of weird they chose the Terios name for the Rush sibling, in western countries it's a much smaller car (406 cm against the 442 cm).
http://foto.autozone.be/fotoseurotax//450/daihatsu-terios-2006-5590.jpg
Yes, agree that a 80-100 mio difference makes it difficult to justify the purchase of a Freed. Nice car though.
@Jstar: Buddy I'm really interested in this Avanza Veloz... Planning to buy it for wifey... Any info that this would come out sometime before august 2012 ? Its such a long wait...
Roysingh^
It is only the Veloz model that has such a wait.
There is n Avanza 1.5G and 1.3G that look identical and will be available in March. I didn't check the Daihatsu Xenia twins.
Roysingh^
It is only the Veloz model that has such a wait.
There is n Avanza 1.5G and 1.3G that look identical and will be available in March. I didn't check the Daihatsu Xenia twins.
But I heard that only the Veloz model comes with ABS right ?
Correct, the 'normal' Avanza and Xenia don't have ABS. But that is a system that does not necessarily make you stop faster (it just avoids locking the wheels). And if you're not used to it you might panic and release the break (weird shaking feeling in pedal at emergency stop).
They do have improved suspension and better power steering.
Correct, the 'normal' Avanza and Xenia don't have ABS. But that is a system that does not necessarily make you stop faster (it just avoids locking the wheels). And if you're not used to it you might panic and release the break (weird shaking feeling in pedal at emergency stop).
They do have improved suspension and better power steering.
Yes buddy... I've always liked ABS cause it doesn't make the wheels skid on emergency and in wet roads it performs better too than normal breaking systems... Does the Veloz use Front Wheel & Rear WHeel Disc Brakes ? I really don't like those drums brakes...
Only disc at front; I saw tromol at the back. Sales guy said Veloz has the same. What I don't like so much is that the automatic only has four gears; not ideal for highway use.
Only disc at front; I saw tromol at the back. Sales guy said Veloz has the same. What I don't like so much is that the automatic only has four gears; not ideal for highway use.
Buddy, do you think we can pay a bit more and have them replace the tromol with disc brakes ?
Besides losing your factory guarantee, it's not very useful: the main brakes are always the front ones, the drums in the back are more for stabilization and even distribution. The brake-pressure-regulator (sorry, don't know the English word) will have to be changed too, that's quite radical. Also, if we wouldn't have techniques like ABS and ESP, all cars would probably still have drums (rather sturdy and powerful, esp. when there is a lot of mud, sand and humidity).
Besides losing your factory guarantee, it's not very useful: the main brakes are always the front ones, the drums in the back are more for stabilization and even distribution. The brake-pressure-regulator (sorry, don't know the English word) will have to be changed too, that's quite radical. Also, if we wouldn't have techniques like ABS and ESP, all cars would probably still have drums (rather sturdy and powerful, esp. when there is a lot of mud, sand and humidity).
Oh ok.. So you suggest to leave it as it is for the factory guarantee, etc ?
disks all round are a better working and simplified option over drum brakes any day ...,
but what is it with indo models that manufacturers will replace rear disc models ( as standard overseas ) with drum brakes here ? You only ever see rear discs here in highly overpriced luxury cars.
disks all round are a better working and simplified option over drum brakes any day ...,
but what is it with indo models that manufacturers will replace rear disc models ( as standard overseas ) with drum brakes here ? You only ever see rear discs here in highly overpriced luxury cars.
Usually in sedans all is disc brake... Such as Altis, Vios (G), Camry, Etc. As I like these disc brakes thats why I asked could the drums be changed...
I agree with RS....it's a pity that Toyota didn't put in all disc brakes on the Veloz model. Going for ABS and maintaing drums at the rear seems a little cheap. I would have paid extra to have all-round discs but I think retrofitting doesn't make economic sense.
Well, you can't have your cake and eat it too. It is cheaper to install drums and so far the major argument I read in this thread to buy an Avanza, is the low(er) price.
Anyway, between 60 and 90% of a car's stopping power comes from the front wheels and a good quality, drum brake is sufficient for most rear wheel brake duty. The major concern for brakes is overheating and that could have consequences. But only with four drums and when you drive a lot in the mountains, it could become an issue. ABS is not dependent on the type of braking mechanism, it works on both disk and drum.
You should not be concerned having drum breaks in the rear will have an impact on the safety of the car. I agree with the LV crowd that it's ugly and that they look a bit cheap (cf. Waarmie).
You should not be concerned having drum breaks in the rear will have an impact on the safety of the car. I agree with the LV crowd that it's ugly and that they look a bit cheap (cf. Waarmie).
He he he he he he...
So buddy why don't we go for a drink once I get this car OK... Maybe we visit different pubs... Strictly guys night out... he he he he... :)
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